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I wouldn't be surprised if he stays on in management. He has been at the Swans for 23 years and you can tell he loves the club. Not sure if he could break the bond.
Coach John Longmire - Part IV has resigned
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Well we already know that Horse doesn’t bother communicating to players he doesn’t rate, Sam Gray said he didn’t talk to him at all during his final season
It’s pretty distasteful that it happened to a club legend (although it shouldn’t happen to any player on the list)
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A lot of third, fourth, fifth hand stuff being talked here that might be accurate, partially accurate or complete rubbish. I certainly don't know so I won't participate.
It does seem like there are players who end up "on the outer" with Horse. And there are others that seem to be able to endure long patches of questionable form without getting dropped.
I think there's probably enough smoke not to dismiss there having been fires.
ROK, Newman, Aliir, Gray, Parker, even Hewett to some extent though that may not have been Horse-driven.
I don't necessarily have an issue with some of these being seen as surplus to requirements (some I do), but it does sound like Horse then gives them the cold shoulder.
During his comeback period from injury in the twos, Parker got 6 weeks for taking a young kid's jaw out off the ball.
I don't feel that Horse would be someone that likes that act when plenty other options are available & he has shown his displeasure of opposition players that have done such an act against his own players.
Harry Cunningham with 2 meter Peter for example.
I've been wondering since that time whether Horse really made Parker work harder to get back in to the seniors because of that poor act.
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Didn’t realise Tassie was 4 years away. Yeah, would be surprised if it was them then
Parker came straight into seniors when his suspension ended.
The month he spent playing VFL was post-injury when we were flying before his suspension, so I can understand why he wasn't brought back in.
It's possible his reaction wasn't amazing to having to play VFL, but in any case, despite any issues, he was brought in immediately when available later on. Maybe it did mean that Horse saw no future beyond 2024 for Parker though.
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If Horse gave Parker the cold shoulder, he is a damn good actor. His comments at the B&F seemed warm and genuine. Personally, I am not sure Horse would make a good actor.
As to Sam Gray, I imagine Horse delegates most man-to-man coaching responsibilities to line coaches. It’s hard to tell with Sam, but if you are underperforming in the reserves and have both a reserves coach and a senior team line coach, it’s wishful thinking to expect the head coach to give you much time.
That said, I thought Sam’s comments about lack of feedback in general and not directed at Horse. It did make me wonder if the coaches initially gave him feedback but he didn’t respond well, so they thought it safer to stop trying and wind out the days. Otherwise I struggle to imagine why any coaching team would not help a player who wanted to improve. Who knows though?
I would however not be surprised if Horse did freeze some players out. I suspect it is less based on ability and more based on attitude. The players that appeared to rankle Horse (Mitchel, Allir, Newman) could all be a little loose on the field - and I think that cut across his value set.
As to Sam Gray, I imagine Horse delegates most man-to-man coaching responsibilities to line coaches. It’s hard to tell with Sam, but if you are underperforming in the reserves and have both a reserves coach and a senior team line coach, it’s wishful thinking to expect the head coach to give you much time.
That said, I thought Sam’s comments about lack of feedback in general and not directed at Horse. It did make me wonder if the coaches initially gave him feedback but he didn’t respond well, so they thought it safer to stop trying and wind out the days. Otherwise I struggle to imagine why any coaching team would not help a player who wanted to improve. Who knows though?
I would however not be surprised if Horse did freeze some players out. I suspect it is less based on ability and more based on attitude. The players that appeared to rankle Horse (Mitchel, Allir, Newman) could all be a little loose on the field - and I think that cut across his value set.
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I think it's important to nip this in the bud because it's spinning off into a whole narrative about Horse that may be entirely baseless.
Your comment is a (hopefully innocent) gross distortion of what Sam Gray told AFL Trade Radio after he was delisted in 2021. His comments (a) weren't so definitive as "didn't speak"; (b) didn't apply to Longmire specifically; and (c) explained that it happened in the context of his time in Sydney being during Covid and him not travelling with the team while they were away interstate in the hub for an extended period (because he wasn't selected for senior footy). Additionally, soon after arriving at the club, he was unexpectedly overtaken by new draftees Gulden and Campbell and, so, yes, the club probably did lose some interest in him - but still a long way short of what you wrote.
Here's a fuller description:
Gray was asked whether he received much feedback from John Longmire and Sydney’s coaching staff throughout the year.
“Probably not as much as I would’ve liked at times,”.
“Understandably, they (Sydney) were going through COVID. They were away and I was back in Sydney.
“Probably not up to what I would’ve wanted. Coming from Port, they were pretty good at it, so that’s what I’m going off.”
I think it bears emphasising that this was during Covid and all the coaching groups had been slashed and they were dealing with some fairly extreme and unusual circumstances.
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“It didn’t work out, but there’s not much I can do about it now.”
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As I say, this story is growing wings but has no foundation. While agree "there's probably enough smoke not to dismiss there having been fires" that doesn't mean there were fires. It's still all really speculative and we don't have any firm information about any of the names that have been cited (I'm not including wolftone57 's vague reference to something his journo friend told him which could have been as misrepresented as Sam Gray just was).
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Re the Horse & Parker situation, IF there was a falling-out between the two of them, I think it would be relatively easy to work out who is responsible for it.
Which is more likely:
A) Coach who loved and trusted a player so much that he helped make him captain, voted him club champion multiple times, picked him in the team every week for over a decade, gave him more midfield time than anyone for over a decade... suddenly decided he was going to treat said player like shit.
B) Player who was used to being loved and trusted so much that he was made captain, voted club champion multiple times, picked in the team every week for over a decade, given more midfield time than anyone for over a decade... suddenly fell down the pecking order and had his ego bruised a bit.
Seems a no-brainer to me.
Regardless, we'll likely never know the truth, I doubt either are the type to do a sit-down with Tom Morris or Sam Edmund to "reveal all." So probably best not to think on it too much.
Which is more likely:
A) Coach who loved and trusted a player so much that he helped make him captain, voted him club champion multiple times, picked him in the team every week for over a decade, gave him more midfield time than anyone for over a decade... suddenly decided he was going to treat said player like shit.
B) Player who was used to being loved and trusted so much that he was made captain, voted club champion multiple times, picked in the team every week for over a decade, given more midfield time than anyone for over a decade... suddenly fell down the pecking order and had his ego bruised a bit.
Seems a no-brainer to me.
Regardless, we'll likely never know the truth, I doubt either are the type to do a sit-down with Tom Morris or Sam Edmund to "reveal all." So probably best not to think on it too much.
Seriously, the answer is right there !!! The 2 gutter rats, Morris and Edmunds just spewing out s..t again. Both Vying for the leader of the Journo ''rat pack '' closely followed by by McClure. Who will be in front at the start of the season, time will tell.
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