Coach John Longmire - Part IV has resigned

[Kiama Chris]

The only time i have heard a player speak negative of Longmire was Sam Gray and Lewis Taylor.

Both players on the outer edge of our best 22 at the time they both expressed lack of feedback and direction from the coaches.

I've heard of a couple more over the years who talked quietly and it got back to me indirectly but it was more about not being taken enough notice of. One is pretty well known, the other less so. None of it frames Horse as nasty, more dismissive. I could see that.

 

[bedford]

Yes obviously Parks wasn't happy , but it happens at all levels

 

[Jewelsbon]

I'm sorry for trying to give you the inside word. You go with when Luke Parker finishes his lease in Brighton (Melbourne) and completes the two property development in Bali and returns to Sydney (he lives in the same street as Horse) that they will be best mates. Because you would know !!!

Not meaning to denigrate Parker, but your chatter about he and Longmire falling out could be Parker himself being a bit arrogant and thinking himself hard done by - there are two sides to every story.
I'd be stunned if what you posted about Jack and Kennedy had any weight to it. Kennedy still does work for the club and that didn't just resume when Longmire resigned, he was with the team on GF day.

 

[bedford]

Not meaning to denigrate Parker, but your chatter about he and Longmire falling out could be Parker himself being a bit arrogant and thinking himself hard done by - there are two sides to every story.
I'd be stunned if what you posted about Jack and Kennedy had any weight to it. Kennedy still does work for the club and that didn't just resume when Longmire resigned, he was with the team on GF day.

I thought Mr Rentakill was missing

 

[robbieando]

I thought Mr Rentakill was missing

Longmire caused that....

 

[bedford]

Longmire caused that....

I thought it was Dan

 

[Chris Flannery]

Not meaning to denigrate Parker, but your chatter about he and Longmire falling out could be Parker himself being a bit arrogant and thinking himself hard done by - there are two sides to every story.
I'd be stunned if what you posted about Jack and Kennedy had any weight to it. Kennedy still does work for the club and that didn't just resume when Longmire resigned, he was with the team on GF day.

That's interesting that Kennedy works for the club. I didn't know that. I had heard the Kennedy story a couple of years ago - maybe he didn't want to retire and was told to.. It's good that he is with the club.

 

[rustycrate]

That's interesting that Kennedy works for the club. I didn't know that. I had heard the Kennedy story a couple of years ago - maybe he didn't want to retire and was told to.. It's good that he is with the club.

Back again with more dribble.

 

[bedford]

Back again with more dribble.

At least he's alive , i wonder where he was hiding , although Roger Rogerson has left us

 

[rustycrate]

At least he's alive , i wonder where he was hiding , although Roger Rogerson has left us

I have experienced people of his type in my life. They are unhappy with their own lives so they seek to bring down others around them to their low level so that they can feel good about themselves. Drag people down and they feel good.

If I was a St Kilda supporter, it was very hard for me to type that, I would not feel good. About anything.

But to come on here and peddle dribble about one of the most successful coaches in the AFL in the last 15 years.
To have the temerity to poke your head up and rubbish other clubs coaches when your very own has almost been charged of offences by police, and they welcome him back, speaks volumes to the class of people that support the Saints.

Clean up your own house before you even think about lecturing other clubs about your perceived "insights" or "mail" or "what my mate who knows someone close to someone in the family" crap.

Chris Flannery dribbles crap.

 

[RubbaDuck]

Managing each and every member of staff well is a terrifically challenging role. There will always be conflict and disappointment, especially dealing with a host of players who have been lauded as champions throughout much of their developmental years. To then gel them as a team so focused as to be willing to sacrifice their personal egos to the single goal of that team's success.

Many of the team are barely adults themselves, still wet behind the ears. Some older players carry scars of disappointment, lack of fulfillment, and perhaps can't yet see their own contribution towards the road bumps in their relationships.

Players are not much different to staff in any job. Perhaps bigger egos, bigger ambitions and bigger disappointment when such a short career approaches an end so quickly.

It absolutely boggles me that Horse achieved such fidelity from his young charges. Full credit. We owe him a lot

 

[Superstar swan]

I’m not under the illusion that afl clubs are all rainbows and unicorns. There is no doubt that there are players at every club who can’t stand each other , personalities that clash etc, but most can put that aside and conduct themselves in a professional manners.

IMO horse is many things but he he appears also to drive high standards and sets clear expectations of his players. If there are reports that Sam gray and Taylor are accusing , horse of what they perceive has ‘mis treating ‘ them in any , I tend to believe it, and think it is completely justified.

They both arrived at the club overweight, and never got fit, no wonder they rubbed horse the wrong way, they didn’t pay the club , players, staff etc the respect they deserved in giving their all and conducting themselves in a professional manner.

From the outside looking in, horse appears to be a no nonsense type , once you betray his trust , you have nailed your own coffin. And that’s the way it should be

 

[WillHayward]

'We feel obliged to support him': Swans outline basis of Heeney appeal

John Longmire explains why the club will take the Isaac Heeney case to the AFL Appeal Board

www.afl.com.au

The fact Horse was taking about the Brownlow in May shows just how much he had lost the plot!

Heeney broke a blokes nose with his hand. Misses one game - against North! - and Horse is carrying on about Brownlow votes! In May!

That's the moment I knew he'd lost his compass and we were doomed.

 

[rustycrate]

'We feel obliged to support him': Swans outline basis of Heeney appeal

John Longmire explains why the club will take the Isaac Heeney case to the AFL Appeal Board

www.afl.com.au

The fact Horse was taking about the Brownlow in May shows just how much he had lost the plot!

Heeney broke a blokes nose with his hand. Misses one game - against North! - and Horse is carrying on about Brownlow votes! In May!

That's the moment I knew he'd lost his compass and we were doomed.

That Heeney incident was the AFL cracking down and being black and white about every incident. "We have to stamp this out regardless of intent". It left no room for interpretation, extenuating circumstances, intent of the player, what role the other player had etc etc. Usually with the AFL they have their crackdown and black and white persecution of players, like Heeney. Then, as time goes on, it is not a flavour of the week incident, so subsequent "infringements" do not attract the same crackdown penalties. Heeney was a first cab off the rank incident so the AFL did not let him get away with it despite it being innocuous.

Heeney was a victim of the AFL's reactionary clampdown on flavour of the month incidents.

If Heeney did the same thing first round next year I guarantee you it would not rate a mention. Anywhere.

 

[RubbaDuck]

'We feel obliged to support him': Swans outline basis of Heeney appeal

John Longmire explains why the club will take the Isaac Heeney case to the AFL Appeal Board

www.afl.com.au

The fact Horse was taking about the Brownlow in May shows just how much he had lost the plot!

Heeney broke a blokes nose with his hand. Misses one game - against North! - and Horse is carrying on about Brownlow votes! In May!

That's the moment I knew he'd lost his compass and we were doomed.

You saw Horse's reaction as a moment when Horse lost his compass. I saw Horse's reaction as one of a coach who cared deeply for Heeney as a person. I saw a moment when Horse further cemented the loyalty of his team.

At that time Heeney was a worthy favourite for the Brownlow, Horse was annoyed that such a trivial ban would not only rob Isaac of due recognition for his achievements but even worse, the ban would sully Heeney's reputation as a footballing great who was respected throughout the league for fair play and sportsmanship.

If Horse had brushed aside the incident, as you suggest he should have done, he wouldn't have displayed the character that most endeared him to his group of players, his love and respect for them as individuals. I'm sure Heeney would have brushed the incident off, looking forward instead of wallowing in self-pity or regret. That Horse was ready to fight for him would have mattered much more, both to Heeney and his fellow players.

The best coaches/managers/team leaders care deeply for their team and for the individuals who make up that team.

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Despite the obvious risks= of speaking out against an AFL tribunal decision, many respected senior players (present and past) stood in public defence of Heeney. Like Horse they were too dumbfounded to remain silent at such a tyrannous miscarriage of justice, to punish one of the fairest players in the league for what was clearly an accident, when on the very day same Nathan Murphy was forced to retire from a brain injury, Charlie Campbell dump tackled Jake Lever, driving his head into the turf. Despite the AFL vowing to punish such behavious, Charlie was given yet another get out of jail free card,when he claimed to have performed some indigenous community work.

Now most of us liberal thinkers accept there's no such thing as reverse racism or reverse discriminarion. If a white man is treated differently, penalised simply due to the accident of his parents' race or ethnicity, we accept the reasoning that such selective discrimination can be an affirmative action (or a diversity initiative), which is justified when it bridges inequalities, promotes diversity, social equity, social inclusion and the redressing of alleged wrongs, harms, or hindrances. So said the US supreme court, yet even they eventually concluded that simply preferring members of any one group for no reason other than race or ethnic origin is discrimination for its own sake.

To further darken the tribunal's decision five previous on-field reports filed against Cameron were re-cast as examples of a "clean record". Despite previously been charged five times, Charlie had escaped suspension each time yet in the most egregious twist of logic the failure to punish these previous offences was subsequently lauded by the Lions' defence as a sign of a good record. How things have changed since the pillorisation of Adam Goodes for his simply calling out a blatant racist taunt. Is it any wonder Eddie McGuire, an unabashed racist and Heeney hater since the 2015 draft, publicly applauded such a transparently unjust judgement of Heeney.