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Unsolved JonBenet Ramsey
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Early hours Dec 26 is my understanding.
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The basement window wasn't within the room where JB's body was found.
They found her body at about 1pm. The body stayed in the living room until the Coroner rocked up at around 8pm. He estimated she died sometime between 10pm and 6am, ie the time they arrived home and the time her Mother phoned 911. The autopsy was performed the following day.
Sooo, there was plenty of time for the murderer exit the house, there were plenty of doors he could have chosen.
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Havent they always said the killer entered and exited via the basement window?
The window that had an undisturbed spiderweb?
Isnt that why she was taken to the basement as that is the agreed entry/exit point?
Was there a forced entry elsewhere and if so, where?
I don't believe it's ever been established. The window in the basement had been broken for some time and there was no evidence it was used to enter or exit.
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It is strange of the police, but I also find it strange that Patsy invited two lots of friends to the house within minutes of calling 911, she and John were then seemingly content with the cursory search by police - they clearly didn't tear the house apart in their despair - yet 7 hours later John goes directly to that room?
JB lay dead for approx 12 hours in that little room, and a whole 7 hours after Patsy called 911 whilst they sat with friends and police.
I'd be antsy as hell if my daughter were missing. Like virtually every other parent I'd be pulling the place apart with my bare hands looking for her, frantically bashing on neighbour's doors to ask if they'd seen anything, demanding police instigate roadblocks etc asap, anything!
Yet for some reason John & Patsy basically sat still, until the police suggested they go looking. Yes, that should've been done by the police, but John & Patsy were BLOOD.
I just don't understand.
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My understanding is that the basement comprised of multiple rooms, so whilst the actual room she was found in may not have had the broken window, the window was in 'the basement' as was her body but im happy to be corrected on that.
I guess the question is, was the latched door only to the room she was found in within the basement or was the door isolating multiple rooms including the one she was found in and that had the broken window.
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Didn't the pineapple narrow the time down somewhat?
From memory they believed it wasn't before midnight because it hadn't been digested enough.
And Patsy was on the phone by 5:52am.
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I believe it was only to the room she was found in, and therefore didn't isolate the broken window.
They were waiting for a call from the kidnapper. John had to arrange the ransom in the notes the kidnapper specified.
Most of the time, police want parents to stay where they are, where they can see and observe them.
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The kidnapper also said if you talk to a stray dog your Daughter dies, yet they invited friends around.
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The note stated the kidnapper would call between 8am and 10am......the following day.
Patsy discovered the note just prior to calling the police at 5:52am presumably, so they had to wait a whole 26 hours, minimum, for that call.
I'd still be pulling the place apart, bothering my neighbours etc.
Good point, but I'm pretty sure they believed she was kidnapped before midnight on 25th so the 8am to 10am timeslot was the 26th not the 27th.
I don't, if the intruder was someone who knew them.
There are so many relationships in which spouses don't have information about each other's finances but other people know. I'm not necessarily saying that this indicated there was any issue between Patsy and John, either. It could have been a situation where John handled all that and Patsy simply wasn't interested. If some of John's friends were similarly wealthy to him, they could have shared that information with each other, as some people do.
So it's still possible, even if we disregard the fact that John said the information was available for whoever was writing the note to see on his desk.
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Also warned them not to involve the police.
Another oddity in that damn note - they warn John to take 'an adequate size attache' to the bank to carry all the cash, but then tell him to put it in a brown paper bag when he gets home??!
Like, how big was the paper bag going to be, and how secure? Presumably a good size and not easily torn I assume.
I mean, the drop off procedure was supposedly going to be long and difficult, so he was allegedly going to be carting it all over town.
No, the ransom.note is a red herring. Decapitation? She wouldn't be found?
It's a poorly conceived storyline over a poor little girl that was already dead.
There was no kidnapping for ransom.
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I too find it strange that they weren't searching like crazy, but I also make room for the possibility that they shut down emotionally in fear and shock. There are also people who are very deferential to and trusting of authority and if John and Patsy fell into that category they may have had total faith in following the police's instructions.
I've seen the former first hand. A friend of mine's husband was arrested for several SAs and he called her while she and I were hanging out. After the call she just started reading a book. She was completely dissociated for hours and some of the things she said and did were bizarre. Anyone picking apart her behaviour then would have seriously been wondering what she was hiding.
To me the police are the ones with some serious questions to answer.
How would the kidnapper have expected him to go to the bank on Boxing Day, though? They wouldn't be open.
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Good point......but then the ransom note was never legit.
No, I don't think it was, either. Which is not to say that I think Patsy and/or John wrote it, but that whoever wrote it did it as some sort of message, game, or deflection.
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I hear you, but then:
They didn't look for their daughter, but called friends?
They 'disassociated' but very quickly lawyered up?
John had a military background (taught to remain calm under pressure) and was a successful business man running a billion dollar company (think quickly, strategically) but he froze?
I dunno.
Probably his military background also taught him to obey orders, "sit and wait for the call"
I definitely think it's strange, but I don't think it's incompatible with them being in shock or emotionally overwhelmed. I don't mean that they would have been completely frozen but perhaps better explained as unable to connect with the reality of what was happening. So yes they'll do things, but not things that are connected to what's really happening, which searching would be. Getting a lawyer and calling friends is a fairly practical and intellectual thing to do, so it's still distanced from the situation.
I'm not sure being in the military prepares you for your daughter being missing. I lawyer up if I have to speak to the police even as a witness in something because it's in my own background, and also, for a lot of very wealthy people lawyers are who they get to advise them on everything.
