Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Hamingja]

He is a interesting player.
For WCE we would be interested in him playing backline, but I question his ability to defend.
He has become a lot more outside since he landed at Geelong.
His draft year was pretty good one on one that has fallen away.

His best position is as an attacking half back for sure IMO.

Behind the ball he reads it well in the air and can take intercept marks, then obviously there is the run and carry element to his game.

He does struggle with the one on one defensive side of his game but I think that is where we have screwed up with him tbh.

They have seen him lose a couple of contests that have cost goals in the pre season / early games of his first year and decided to play him further up the ground to avoid that.

They should have been developing the defensive side of his game from day 1. We've got Scott, Scarlett, Enright etc who have taught Mark O'Connor to defend from scratch from Ireland so you can't tell me they couldn't teach that to Clark to bring the defensive side of his game up to an acceptable level. You do that and you have an attacking weapon off half back. Ultimately though that is just not CS style of play, he is all about risk minimisation out of the backline to avoid goals from turnovers. Clark really should go to Essendon or someone like that where the attacking play would be encouraged, to get the best out of his ability, that is what he needs to do.

 

[Turbocat]

Rival ups ante to lure Cat, Vic club ‘very confident’ on $8 mil man: Trade Whispers

Rival ups ante to lure Cat, Vic club ‘very confident’ on $8 mil man: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Its OK to say this but if you come hard , then follow on and say they are willing to do what ever to get the deal done. Some of these articles are nothing but fluff.


The Dockers last trade period explored the possibility of acquiring Clark before he opted to remain in Geelong – with conversations with skipper Joel Selwood believed to have played a big part in his decision.

But Fremantle are expected to again come hard for the 20-year old wingman/halfback, who hasn’t played since Round 11 and has been used as the Cats’ medical sub on three occasions.

Clark has played 18 AFL games for Geelong since being drafted with Pick 15 in the 2018 AFL Draft.

 

[Polo342]

Like Pure_Ownage, Meek and future 2nd would do me. We won't use a third this year IMO.

Meek at AFL level has actually shown a lot. Wonder if fremantle would be chasing Narkle and Clark as a pair

 

[Turbocat]

The third rounder is dead to us this year bc we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and limited list spots. Meek and a future 3rd is possible although meek and a future 2nd is what id want and call fair. Its also just possible we keep clark.

Clark for meek and Fr2 ...probably in and about it. It depends on how the club would rate and see Meek. Obviously Darcy would go straight in to best 22..would Meek?..

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Clark for meek and Fr2 ...probably in and about it. It depends on how the club would rate and see Meek. Obviously Darcy would go straight in to best 22..would Meek?..

I think meek would go into our best 22 yes..stanley will be gone next year so he only has fort to beat..blitz and sav are more useful in other roles so they can fit in alongside a ruck.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Meek at AFL level has actually shown a lot. Wonder if fremantle would be chasing Narkle and Clark as a pair

Hes been very good but its a small sample size of games so his trade value wont be high.

I would imagine freo will be keen on both narkle and clark.

 

[Scotland]

I love this place. Adam Cerra is only worth a late teens pick, the guy averaging close to 25 possessions (excluding the game where he came off injured after 4 possessions in the first quarter), who finished third in our best and fairest.

But Jordan Clark who can't get a game and has had 2 significant arm and shoulder injuries is worth something involving our first round

Cerra doesn't play for Geelong though. We've been hearing for years from Cats fans how little Jarrod Brander is worth because he can't get a game every week. As a tall. With Kennedy and Darling and now Allen coming on so well.

Lachie Fogarty was pick 22 and played 23 games. He was traded for pick 51 and a pick swap of 38 to 30. Clark was pick 15 and has played 30 games. His value has gone down, slightly. We traded Brad Ebert after 4 years 76 games and got pick 28. Fringe mids/half backs don't tend to go up in value. He's played 9 games this year and 3 of those were as the medical sub, and two of those he didn't actually play. For some reason he's gone from playing 18 games in his first year to 3 in his second and now 6 real games so far in his third. I watched him in one of those Thursday night VFL games on Fox and he was a cut above, so I'm not sure why he keeps yo-yoing in and out of the AFL side. Geelong have a good team but it isn't superstars in every position. He is under contract so they don't have to trade him, but that leverage isn't going to flush out some massive offer.

 

[foxdog50]

I reckon this here will be done for Meek and a third rounder. Wont like to see Meek go but he is playing very well in seconds and has shown he can play at AFL level. Thoughts Geelong supporters?

The number 1 thing is Clark is contracted...
Meek was a 50 or a 60 odd pick that has only ever played handful of games...
I think it be Meek and a 2nd round pick, where that pick be mid earl 20s.
But that's just me, I'm not saying I know everything, I'm just a key board warrior really lol

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I reckon this here will be done for Meek and a third rounder. Wont like to see Meek go but he is playing very well in seconds and has shown he can play at AFL level. Thoughts Geelong supporters?

Think I'd strongly prefer holding him to his contract and letting him go for nothing the next year

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Cerra doesn't play for Geelong though. We've been hearing for years from Cats fans how little Jarrod Brander is worth because he can't get a game every week. As a tall. With Kennedy and Darling and now Allen coming on so well.

Lachie Fogarty was pick 22 and played 23 games. He was traded for pick 51 and a pick swap of 38 to 30. Clark was pick 15 and has played 30 games. His value has gone down, slightly. We traded Brad Ebert after 4 years 76 games and got pick 28. Fringe mids/half backs don't tend to go up in value. He's played 9 games this year and 3 of those were as the medical sub, and two of those he didn't actually play. For some reason he's gone from playing 18 games in his first year to 3 in his second and now 6 real games so far in his third. I watched him in one of those Thursday night VFL games on Fox and he was a cut above, so I'm not sure why he keeps yo-yoing in and out of the AFL side. Geelong have a good team but it isn't superstars in every position. He is under contract so they don't have to trade him, but that leverage isn't going to flush out some massive offer.

All fair points, I would just add that while the cats don't have superstars everywhere we do have Menegola and Smith in his preferred position. Clark is yo-yoing because he isn't a forward, and we are stacked for attacking half back options.

I guess we'll see what happens with Duncan out.

 

[Moley Russels Wart]

I made the mistake of starting him in my fantasy team and watched him closely for a few weeks. He is not a natural footballer.

From what I've seen. He is a great runner. He is an adequate kick. He is weak in a contest and one on one.

Thinking of comparisons, Branden Ellis would be about his ceiling. I don't get why a team would give up much at all for him.

Adam Saad is what I see him like.

 

[TheBigLeftBoot]

Cerra doesn't play for Geelong though. We've been hearing for years from Cats fans how little Jarrod Brander is worth because he can't get a game every week. As a tall. With Kennedy and Darling and now Allen coming on so well.

Lachie Fogarty was pick 22 and played 23 games. He was traded for pick 51 and a pick swap of 38 to 30. Clark was pick 15 and has played 30 games. His value has gone down, slightly. We traded Brad Ebert after 4 years 76 games and got pick 28. Fringe mids/half backs don't tend to go up in value. He's played 9 games this year and 3 of those were as the medical sub, and two of those he didn't actually play. For some reason he's gone from playing 18 games in his first year to 3 in his second and now 6 real games so far in his third. I watched him in one of those Thursday night VFL games on Fox and he was a cut above, so I'm not sure why he keeps yo-yoing in and out of the AFL side. Geelong have a good team but it isn't superstars in every position. He is under contract so they don't have to trade him, but that leverage isn't going to flush out some massive offer.

Jack Higgins was traded for a first round pick last year despite not being in Richmond's best 26 (wasn't named as an emergency in their GF side).

Both Higgins and Clark are the same age (should Clark request a trade this year) couldn't break into strong midfields (Geelong bats much deeper IMO) and both were former first round picks (although Clark was more highly rated IMO) and both were/could be traded under the same circumstances (club wants to keep player).

Higgins was traded for pick 20 (I know there was more to the trade but the rest of the trade adds no value either way IMO). I can't see how Jordan Clark has less value than Jack Higgins. Not saying he's worth a top ten pick, however a pick that ultimately ends up in the 18-23 range should be his minimum value. Geelong getting their first round pick back (assuming they finish top 3) would be a fair trade IMO.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Jack Higgins was traded for a first round pick last year despite not being in Richmond's best 26 (wasn't named as an emergency in their GF side).

Both Higgins and Clark are the same age (should Clark request a trade this year) couldn't break into strong midfields (Geelong bats much deeper IMO) and both were former first round picks (although Clark was more highly rated IMO) and both were/could be traded under the same circumstances (club wants to keep player).

Higgins was traded for pick 20 (I know there was more to the trade but the rest of the trade adds no value either way IMO). I can't see how Jordan Clark has less value than Jack Higgins. Not saying he's worth a top ten pick, however a pick that ultimately ends up in the 18-23 range should be his minimum value. Geelong getting their first round pick back (assuming they finish top 3) would be a fair trade IMO.

Looks like a really good comparison IMO

Looked that trade up, small pick upgrade end of first (4 spots) and a future second (future 4th from Richmond in the deal would literally be worth less than a packet of chips). I think it’s a bit different to just getting pick 20 or your first back

I’d be comfortable with something in that range IF he plays the rest of the year now Duncan is out otherwise he seems more out of favour than Higgins was

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Looks like a really good comparison IMO

Looked that trade up, small pick upgrade end of first (4 spots) and a future second (future 4th from Richmond in the deal would literally be worth less than a packet of chips). I think it’s a bit different to just getting pick 20 or your first back

I’d be comfortable with something in that range IF he plays the rest of the year now Duncan is out otherwise he seems more out of favour than Higgins was

By the end of the year Clark will have played more full games than Higgins did in his last at Richmond, only has 3 more to close that gap. The MC is also going out of their way to get him in the side playing him as a forward recently. I can't see him being more "out-of-favour" than Higgins was.

But still, if he asks for a trade he asks for a trade.

 

[Joao]

Jack Higgins was traded for a first round pick last year despite not being in Richmond's best 26 (wasn't named as an emergency in their GF side).

Both Higgins and Clark are the same age (should Clark request a trade this year) couldn't break into strong midfields (Geelong bats much deeper IMO) and both were former first round picks (although Clark was more highly rated IMO) and both were/could be traded under the same circumstances (club wants to keep player).

Higgins was traded for pick 20 (I know there was more to the trade but the rest of the trade adds no value either way IMO). I can't see how Jordan Clark has less value than Jack Higgins. Not saying he's worth a top ten pick, however a pick that ultimately ends up in the 18-23 range should be his minimum value. Geelong getting their first round pick back (assuming they finish top 3) would be a fair trade IMO.

Higgins exposed AFL form was better than Clark's I'd argue, but the rest I have to agree with.

 

[jesterwester]

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*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance

Didn’t let you down! Will be back in the senior side next week.

Maybe all he needs is a hype man and a similar post on Thursday will get a similar result.

 

[The 747]

Didn’t let you down! Will be back in the senior side next week.

Maybe all he needs is a hype man and a similar post on Thursday will get a similar result.

He did play well - although I didn't think he was that impressive. He definitely looks like an AFL player in the VFL though.

Might come back in, might not. You can't tell from watching whether he is following coaching instructions or not.

 

[kool kangas]

If North haven't been mentioned as being interested in him it surely says how they see him...l actually think he is ok.

 

[THE_GUN]

By the end of the year Clark will have played more full games than Higgins did in his last at Richmond, only has 3 more to close that gap. The MC is also going out of their way to get him in the side playing him as a forward recently. I can't see him being more "out-of-favour" than Higgins was.

But still, if he asks for a trade he asks for a trade.

Higgins came into 2020 season off the back of brain surgery which he had late 2019 and was not expected to even be back running for 6 months if ever
he had no pre season as you would expect and was extremely behind the 8 ball.

Made his way back and into the team and played 10 games until he was injured during the early finals games i believe and didnt get back in for the GF due to an established team setup. Dont think the games comparison is a very good one.

pick #25 - #30 looking like the range

 

[perplexed]

Adam Saad is what I see him like.

Love your name, but I find that an odd comparison. Saad is possibly the best small one-on-one defender in the competition. Clark is barely competitive.

 

[TheBigLeftBoot]

Looks like a really good comparison IMO

Looked that trade up, small pick upgrade end of first (4 spots) and a future second (future 4th from Richmond in the deal would literally be worth less than a packet of chips). I think it’s a bit different to just getting pick 20 or your first back

I’d be comfortable with something in that range IF he plays the rest of the year now Duncan is out otherwise he seems more out of favour than Higgins was

I didn't go into too much detail about the rest of the Jack Higgins trade as I feel that there isn't much of a difference between Richmond giving back last year's first round pick which was ultimately pick 26 for St. kindas 2nd Rounder this year likely pick 28-32 particularly if you factor in Gold Coast taking in two top 20 picks outside of the draft last year and Jacob Edwards being undiscovered due to covid.

Richmond did really well out of that trade mind you.

 

[The 747]

Love your name, but I find that an odd comparison. Saad is possibly the best small one-on-one defender in the competition. Clark is barely competitive.

Er what?

 

[TheBigLeftBoot]

Higgins came into 2020 season off the back of brain surgery which he had late 2019 and was not expected to even be back running for 6 months if ever
he had no pre season as you would expect and was extremely behind the 8 ball.

Made his way back and into the team and played 10 games until he was injured during the early finals games i believe and didnt get back in for the GF due to an established team setup. Dont think the games comparison is a very good one.

pick #25 - #30 looking like the range

I'm not trying to denigrate Jack Higgins. I realise that he's had some serious challenges along the way that you noted. Ive drawn on the comparison as both were drafted as midfielders who could play another position Higgins FWD, Clark BACK, both were in teams with a lot of depth in those positions making it difficult for both to cement a best 22 spot. Higgins IMO was behind a few others for a forward role due to his lack of defensive pressure, Clark struggled to defend 1 on 1. Neither had the tank to push others out of a midfield spot (not Higgins fault, he's highly professional but couldn't force out a Lambert or Prestia). Clark had to contend with Menegola, Blicavs and Tuohy for that wing spot last year and now we've added Isaac Smith. We've tried to turn him into a half forward for a regular game but that's not his go.

Both players were also contract and both clubs wanted to keep said player.

There are some differences of course. Higgins has outperformed Clark at AFL level but came in to the system far more ready-made for AFL. Clark had never completed a pre-season prior to joining Geelong due to cricket. Clark was a more highly rated prospect than Higgins but always needed a few pre-seasons to get himself to a level to be able to perform consistently at AFL level in his best position which is IMO in the midfield.

 

[perplexed]

Er what?

I wasn't aware that that was a controversial statement. Saad is outstanding one-on-one.

 

[The 747]

I wasn't aware that that was a controversial statement. Saad is outstanding one-on-one.

I do not agree at all, he is a good player yes.