List Mgmt. Jordan de Goey - agreed to 2 year extension at Collingwood

[giantroo]

So he hasn't signed yet?

No he hasn't.

 

[Rad Roo]

lol, dodged a bullet there. Phew

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

I don't think Carey understands how the warchest works, it isn't by underpaying our players. If we used our entire warchest to offset a $5m contract over 5 years, that contract would only impact our TPP by $500k a year. This volume of cash has been accumulated from the retirement/moving on of Wells, Harvey, Dal Santo, etc and us filling their spots with rookies and draftees.

Goldy comes out of contract in 2019, do you think we are going to pay him $800k as a 31 year old? Thompson and Waite will unlikely keep playing beyond 2019. Last year Swallow, Thomas, Hansen, Gibson, Mullett, etc vacated, what happened to the money we were paying these guys? We have been signing guys up, it is not like everyone is unsigned and we have been offering peanuts to our players.

We have the third youngest squad in the AFL, most of them are on AFL minimum contracts or near minimums for guys who aren't in the senior team consistently, those who have made the transition like EVW have been re-signed. Tarrant and Higgins have already re-signed this year. Brown was re-signed last year until 2020.

This paranoia is based on the misunderstanding on how the war chest works and why it exists.

Okay you make perfect sense.

So lets say next year we bring in a De Goey or similar. Very young gun but not proven.

Sign them on a $1m a year. Brown comes out of contract a few years later. Do we pay him $1.3m? I struggle with the comparison

 

[domiroo]

We trolled the absolute shit out of them for 6 months over the Dusty situation. They really got themselves in a state. It was magnificent.

I can see a similar thing happening with Collingwood supporters the longer De Goey takes to sign on the dotted line.

Not really fussed De Goey can Goey and **** him self along with Tyson **** stick Otto .

 

[blackshadow]

One hell of an article.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/n...s/news-story/1d8637c2b434e36ba53baf607646c93d

North Melbourne with nothing to show for $30 million offers
A RECRUITMENT disaster unlike anything seen in the AFL shows North Melbourne owes club legend Brent Harvey an apology.


Tyson Otto@tottodtsport

news.com.auJune 29, 20183:30pm

Collingwood star Jordan De Goey’s decision to knock back the Roos and reportedly agree to sign a deal worth $3.6 million less is unfortunately an all-too familiar black eye for the team coach Brad Scott still feebly insists is a “destination club”.

All the evidence suggests otherwise, Brad.

He said 12 months ago that every failure makes them stronger and adds bulk to their salary cap war chest.

“We made some well documented changes to our list at the end of last year to give us ultimate flexibility to be able to target some top-end talent,” Scott told SEN last year after missing out on Richmond’s Dustin Martin.

“Our board gave the list management committee a directive to be very bold at the list management table and to be aggressive. Clearly we’ve been aggressive.

“Every time you miss out, while it’s going to be disappointing, it just builds that war chest even further to keep being aggressive.”

It’s a simplistic view that completely fails to grasp the damage dealt to the club’s reputation by one failure following the next.

To fully appreciate the scale of failure that North Melbourne’s so-called war chest has suffered, you have to start before the 2016 trade period.

According to reports, the club tabled a “multi-million dollar deal” for Swans star Isaac Heeney. Swing and a miss.

Six months later they threw the kitchen sink at GWS gun Josh Kelly with some reports declaring the offer was above $10 million. Swing and a miss.

They went harder than any rival in the war to win the signature of Brownlow medallist Martin last year. An $11 million offer — reportedly up to $400,000 per season more than the Tigers’ offer — wasn’t enough to convince the superstar to move. Swing and a miss.

The final insult arrived on Friday when reports indicated the Jordan De Goey has agreed to re-sign with the Magpies, spurning a “Godfather” deal worth $5 million from the Kangaroos. Swing and a miss.

North Melbourne’s recruitment strategy summed up in photo form.Source:News Corp Australia

It was an embarrassment even before they were knocked back by De Goey, publicly and decisively.

The worst part of all of these cases is that in every single one the Roos blew their rivals out of the water with mega-rich deals and still couldn’t land a big fish.

It amounts to a $30 million disaster that has had the exact opposite effect the club wanted.

After so many high profile recruitment failures, a stench has been left lingering around Norths — and it can’t be swept away by the club’s surprisingly strong first half of the 2018 season.

Too many players have knocked back big money deals for the club’s recruitment drive to not have sustained meaningful damage to its reputation and its stature in the AFL’s recruitment market.

These are just the cases that are known publicly.

The so-called war chest was the only selling point that stopped North fans rioting heading into the 2016 trade period after the stunning move to end the career of Brent Harvey.

Pulling the rug out from under a club legend could only be swallowed by Roos fans with the sweet promise that a list re-build could be hyper-accelerated by free agency success.

Winning on the field. Losing off of it.Source:News Corp Australia

In the 2016 trade period the Roos failed to land a big fish. In 2017 they failed to land a big fish.

The club has over-promised and underdelivered. After two years of free agency failing, future free agents won’t be able to completely dismiss the history of so many fellow players choosing not to make the move to Arden Street.

The club’s made no secret of its desire to chase an experience midfield superstar — but their options are dwindling.

Adelaide superstar Rory Sloane must be their next target — open to free agency and out of contract at the end of this season.

West Coast’s Andrew Gaff won’t come cheap with the Eagles reportedly already tabling a monster six-year offer to the star winger.

It leaves Giants duo Josh Kelly and Dylan Shiel as likely targets in 2019.

But by that stage — three years after Boomer’s shameful departure — any free agency signing would be about breaking even on their aggressive list re-build rather than celebrating a recruitment coup.

North Melbourne might actually believe they are a destination club right now — but after these public debacles none of their future free agency targets will share the same opinion. That reputation in the long run could ultimately cost them a lot more than the $30 million in offers they’ve butchered.

Article? It's too bad to be called a piece of shit.

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[domiroo]

Article? It's too bad to be called a piece of shit.

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Yes an insult to shit ..

 

[Jindrrk]

Well said darko.

Can I ask a question......do you guys even read the disrespect shown towards your Club on the Tigers board?

They have now surpassed Carlton as my most hated team.......and that's saying something for me.

Mate they are like 4 year old children. Pathetic scum of a club. They also genuinely fear us as we are their bogey side. They got lucky a few weeks back. If we meet them in the finals they will panic.

Please feel free to use these for your future endeavours.....picture form works better with them as most cannot read or comprehend what they're reading:

 

[Tas]

Okay you make perfect sense.

So lets say next year we bring in a De Goey or similar. Very young gun but not proven.

Sign them on a $1m a year. Brown comes out of contract a few years later. Do we pay him $1.3m? I struggle with the comparison

What we offer players to come over is market value + premium to shift clubs. That premium is largely what the war chest is for. Will Brown be worth $1.3m a year after 2020? Who knows, a lot will depend on what offers are made to him and if we manage to convince him to extend before his contract expires.

Most full forwards surprisingly aren't worth that much to the club that has them, to clubs that do not have a full forward they are worth more. Ben will be 27 or 28 when he comes out of contract, he will get another good opportunity to get another good contract, I am sure we will look after him.

We will only come under cap pressure if a lot of our kids become guns and in a relatively short space of time.

 

[Ben B 96]

Article? It's too bad to be called a piece of shit.

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who the **** is this oxygen thief,it looks like it's being written by a 5 yr.

 

[amaz199]

One hell of an article.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/n...s/news-story/1d8637c2b434e36ba53baf607646c93d

North Melbourne with nothing to show for $30 million offers
A RECRUITMENT disaster unlike anything seen in the AFL shows North Melbourne owes club legend Brent Harvey an apology.


Tyson Otto@tottodtsport

news.com.auJune 29, 20183:30pm

Collingwood star Jordan De Goey’s decision to knock back the Roos and reportedly agree to sign a deal worth $3.6 million less is unfortunately an all-too familiar black eye for the team coach Brad Scott still feebly insists is a “destination club”.

All the evidence suggests otherwise, Brad.

He said 12 months ago that every failure makes them stronger and adds bulk to their salary cap war chest.

“We made some well documented changes to our list at the end of last year to give us ultimate flexibility to be able to target some top-end talent,” Scott told SEN last year after missing out on Richmond’s Dustin Martin.

“Our board gave the list management committee a directive to be very bold at the list management table and to be aggressive. Clearly we’ve been aggressive.

“Every time you miss out, while it’s going to be disappointing, it just builds that war chest even further to keep being aggressive.”

It’s a simplistic view that completely fails to grasp the damage dealt to the club’s reputation by one failure following the next.

To fully appreciate the scale of failure that North Melbourne’s so-called war chest has suffered, you have to start before the 2016 trade period.

According to reports, the club tabled a “multi-million dollar deal” for Swans star Isaac Heeney. Swing and a miss.

Six months later they threw the kitchen sink at GWS gun Josh Kelly with some reports declaring the offer was above $10 million. Swing and a miss.

They went harder than any rival in the war to win the signature of Brownlow medallist Martin last year. An $11 million offer — reportedly up to $400,000 per season more than the Tigers’ offer — wasn’t enough to convince the superstar to move. Swing and a miss.

The final insult arrived on Friday when reports indicated the Jordan De Goey has agreed to re-sign with the Magpies, spurning a “Godfather” deal worth $5 million from the Kangaroos. Swing and a miss.

North Melbourne’s recruitment strategy summed up in photo form.Source:News Corp Australia

It was an embarrassment even before they were knocked back by De Goey, publicly and decisively.

The worst part of all of these cases is that in every single one the Roos blew their rivals out of the water with mega-rich deals and still couldn’t land a big fish.

It amounts to a $30 million disaster that has had the exact opposite effect the club wanted.

After so many high profile recruitment failures, a stench has been left lingering around Norths — and it can’t be swept away by the club’s surprisingly strong first half of the 2018 season.

Too many players have knocked back big money deals for the club’s recruitment drive to not have sustained meaningful damage to its reputation and its stature in the AFL’s recruitment market.

These are just the cases that are known publicly.

The so-called war chest was the only selling point that stopped North fans rioting heading into the 2016 trade period after the stunning move to end the career of Brent Harvey.

Pulling the rug out from under a club legend could only be swallowed by Roos fans with the sweet promise that a list re-build could be hyper-accelerated by free agency success.

Winning on the field. Losing off of it.Source:News Corp Australia

In the 2016 trade period the Roos failed to land a big fish. In 2017 they failed to land a big fish.

The club has over-promised and underdelivered. After two years of free agency failing, future free agents won’t be able to completely dismiss the history of so many fellow players choosing not to make the move to Arden Street.

The club’s made no secret of its desire to chase an experience midfield superstar — but their options are dwindling.

Adelaide superstar Rory Sloane must be their next target — open to free agency and out of contract at the end of this season.

West Coast’s Andrew Gaff won’t come cheap with the Eagles reportedly already tabling a monster six-year offer to the star winger.

It leaves Giants duo Josh Kelly and Dylan Shiel as likely targets in 2019.

But by that stage — three years after Boomer’s shameful departure — any free agency signing would be about breaking even on their aggressive list re-build rather than celebrating a recruitment coup.

North Melbourne might actually believe they are a destination club right now — but after these public debacles none of their future free agency targets will share the same opinion. That reputation in the long run could ultimately cost them a lot more than the $30 million in offers they’ve butchered.

I have read some dumb shit, but this article tops it.

 

[koshari]

I have read some dumb shit, but this article tops it.

I loved it. It s as good a bitter rant as i have read. Can almosr taste the salt.

 

[Page8383]

How the **** are we winning on the field but losing off it?
Do we have St Kilda levels of debt or something?
If you’re winning on the field — guess what? — you’re winning!!

This is more embarrassing for the journo than us


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[Snake_Baker]

I reckon we can convert these two young blokes to become North supporters.


Someone find out their addresses.

 

[Mav]

Robbo was on 5AA talking to Bickley and Rowe about DeGoey and the offer. Bickley mentions our offer and why we would make it public because it just makes us look like the ugly step sister (or something to that effect). Unfortunately I think this is how a lot of people (who have no clue) see us. Thankfully Robbo corrected them saying it wasn't North that leaked it and if he was to hazard a guess it would have been his manager.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Robbo was on 5AA talking to Bickley and Rowe about DeGoey and the offer. Bickley mentions our offer and why we would make it public because it just makes us look like the ugly step sister (or something to that effect). Unfortunately I think this is how a lot of people (who have no clue) see us. Thankfully Robbo corrected them saying it wasn't North that leaked it and if he was to hazard a guess it would have been his manager.

Clearly we wouldn't make it public.

I am very certain GR was on the money with this, Collingwood leaked it to pressure De Goey.

 

[Mav]

Clearly we wouldn't make it public.

I am very certain GR was on the money with this, Collingwood leaked it to pressure De Goey.

Clearly to us, not the average moron out there!

 

[Arthur Cloke]

You don't have to be a Harford University graduate to realise that DeGoey ain't leaving Collingwood. And really, like Dusty Martin, is he the sort of character we really need at our club?

 

[Firestarter]

Clearly to us, not the average moron out there!

Sorry.

 

[scottywiper]

Player wants new deal. Manager talks to other clubs to push his value up. Other clubs talk to manager, as they are duty bound to. Manager, knowing full well their client wants to stay, makes ambit claim to player's current club, using media leak to crank up pressure on current club, happily betraying any vestige of privacy in discussions with other clubs. But they're a genius and the other clubs are inept? That journo is a fool.

 

[Bigeasy]

No he hasn't.

Thanks, not sure why everyone is conceding that he has.

 

[MaddAdam]

Where the hell does Cerra come into it? Are we now just plucking names of interstate Victorians players who are Victorian and then discuss it for pages and it becomes real? He's in his first year and there has been no inclination of unrest, in fact if he hasn't already, I wouldn't be surprised he signs an extension by year end.

This thread is shit.

Lots of worry from Freo fans that he is Audi 5000 asap.

 

[shinboner magic]

No great loss.
As Goey was one off field mistake away from getting booted from the pies.

More cash equals trouble for him.

North should tell these managers to only contact us if they intend to move clubs.

Also we could get players if we went for average players but we are going for the cream of the crop.
Which is great

 

[Royal Flush]

No great loss.
As Goey was one off field mistake away from getting booted from the pies.

More cash equals trouble for him.

North should tell these managers to only contact us if they intend to move clubs.

Also we could get players if we went for average players but we are going for the cream of the crop.
Which is great

And tell managers you leak then you can stick your commission up your ass

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[arden station]

Article? It's too bad to be called a piece of shit.

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I have read some dumb shit, but this article tops it.

No doubt De Goey will become a highly paid Collingwood employee for 5 years after he retires - something like Anthony Rocca who became boxing coach for years. I'm sure he'll be employed in some way that doesn't sit under any coaching salary cap - manicurist or something.

As for the article, notwithstanding Collingwood's tricks, more than happy to make offers that require other clubs to pay more to retain their players and put pressure on their salary caps. And we'll land someone when the window opens - probably Kelly. Either way, pretty sure we landed an A+ midfielder in Higgins.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

We will only come under cap pressure if a lot of our kids become guns and in a relatively short space of time.

Yes please!