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M_I_G said:
Afl coaches rated kicking efficiency the most over rated stat in the game. However given I work in people analytics I want to mention that just because they think it doesn’t mean it’s true..
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They probably think the stat on its own is overrated, same as metres gained. It's one thing to run 30m, kick it 50m (80m gained in 1 play) but it's straight to the opposition who rebound, that's obviously worse than a 40m total play that ends up in a solid attack. On it's own you look at those and see one guy gained 80m and one 40m, on the surface the 80 looks better but dig just a small amount and you'll see it wasn't.

Kicking efficiency will be the same. If a guy kicks backwards/sidewards to easy targets a lot will have a higher efficiency rate to a guy who takes on the harder passes, but one is clearly more valuable than the other. Also different for a clearance mid, who'll be blasting out of a pack a large % of the time compared to a half back who plays behind the ball with the play ahead of him.

They'll be looking far more in depth to those stats than the TV shows talk about.
 
Coops93 said:
They probably think the stat on its own is overrated, same as metres gained. It's one thing to run 30m, kick it 50m (80m gained in 1 play) but it's straight to the opposition who rebound, that's obviously worse than a 40m total play that ends up in a solid attack. On it's own you look at those and see one guy gained 80m and one 40m, on the surface the 80 looks better but dig just a small amount and you'll see it wasn't.

Kicking efficiency will be the same. If a guy kicks backwards/sidewards to easy targets a lot will have a higher efficiency rate to a guy who takes on the harder passes, but one is clearly more valuable than the other. Also different for a clearance mid, who'll be blasting out of a pack a large % of the time compared to a half back who plays behind the ball with the play ahead of him.

They'll be looking far more in depth to those stats than the TV shows talk about.
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Exactly, while weve got people shuddering at kicking efficiency I just wanted to highlight even those living the game aren’t focusing on that so why should we, for all the points you suggest:thumbsu: Altho who is going be unhappy if an inside mid had 90% efficiency lol
 
Josh DELUCA (SUBIACO)
2019 WAFL

Totals
  • 9 games
  • 3 goals
  • 3 behinds
  • 2 times in best players list

Averages
  • 15.3 kicks
  • 10.3 handballs
  • 25.7 disposals
  • 4.9 marks
  • 5.3 tackles
  • 0.7 frees for
  • 1.2 frees against
  • 4.2 inside 50s
  • 1.2 rebound 50s
  • 103.17 AFL Fantasy points
Josh DELUCA (SUBIACO)
2018 WAFL

Totals
  • 15 games
  • 7 goals
  • 11 behinds
  • 7 times in best players list

Averages
  • 14.7 kicks
  • 13.3 handballs
  • 27.9 disposals
  • 3.5 marks
  • 6.3 tackles
  • 0.5 frees for
  • 1.3 frees against
  • 4.3 inside 50s
  • 0.9 rebound 50s
  • 106.33 AFL Fantasy points
Josh DELUCA (PEEL THUNDER)
2017 WAFL

Totals
  • 10 games
  • 9 goals
  • 2 behinds
  • 3 times in best players list

Averages
  • 12.0 kicks
  • 8.4 handballs
  • 20.4 disposals
  • 2.9 marks
  • 5.6 tackles
  • 0.5 frees for
  • 1.8 frees against
  • 3.1 inside 50s
  • 1.0 rebound 50s
  • 84.70 AFL Fantasy points
 

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Wickzki said:
179cm. Exactly what we needed. Another undersized midfielder who is currently injured.

Fantastic drafting.
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To be fair, we don't lack height through the midfield with Cripps, Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, Cuningham, Walsh and Stocker all around 184-185cm or above.

We lack mature strong bodies, more than anything.
 
Mr_Plow said:
To be fair, we don't lack height through the midfield with Cripps, Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, Cuningham, Walsh and Stocker all around 184-185cm or above.

We lack mature strong bodies, more than anything.
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Disagree that we don't lack height. Compare it to last year's grand finalists this year:

Collingwood's top 7 midfield rotation

Treloar 182
Pendlebury 191
Beams 187
Phillips 187
Crisp 190
Sidebottom 184
Adams 181

Average 186

West Coast

Gaff 182
Sheed 185
Shuey 183
Yeo 190
Redden 190
Jetta 182
Masten 180

Average: 184.57cm

Our proposed best 7 mids (including DeLuca)

Cripps 195
Walsh 184
Murphy 180
Fisher 175
Petrevski-Seton 180
Dow 184
DeLuca 179

Avg 182.43

We only have Cripps who is as tall or taller as their average midfielder (184.57cm+, Walsh and Dow just under).

We are both shorter and lack strength in the midfield compared to their big bodied mids. We are a mosquito fleet who didn't need another short mid.
 
Wickzki said:
Disagree that we don't lack height. Compare it to last year's grand finalists this year:

Collingwood's top 7 midfield rotation

Treloar 182
Pendlebury 191
Beams 187
Phillips 187
Crisp 190
Sidebottom 184
Adams 181

Average 186

West Coast

Gaff 182
Sheed 185
Shuey 183
Yeo 190
Redden 190
Jetta 182
Masten 180

Average: 184.57cm

Our proposed best 7 mids (including DeLuca)

Cripps 195
Walsh 184
Murphy 180
Fisher 175
Petrevski-Seton 180
Dow 184
DeLuca 179

Avg 182.43

We only have Cripps who is as tall or taller as their average midfielder (184.57cm+, Walsh and Dow just under).

We are both shorter and lack strength in the midfield compared to their big bodied mids. We are a mosquito fleet who didn't need another short mid.
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I think we should look at our best 7-8 midfielders moving forward, so that excludes Deluca and Murphy whilst including Setterfield, Cuningham and Stocker:

Cripps 195
Walsh 184 (will get to 186 in a year or two)
Setterfield 192
Dow 187
Cuningham 185
Stocker 184
Petrevski-Seton 182
Fisher 177

Mean = 185.75

Sure we're undersized and underweight for the next few years, but moving forward I don't believe it to be an issue. Our utilisation of midfielders is abhorrent, though. Cuningham and Stocker should get more centre square starts at the expense of Fisher and Petrevski-Seton.

This is also assuming Kennedy isn't in our best 7-8, which is too early to call.
 
JustaBattler said:
Wickzki : No love for Setterfield or Kennedy or Stocker I see...:'(
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Setterfield and Kennedy are in and out of the side (or just into the side in Kennedy's case) and Stocker hasn't played there enough this year given Bolts has him serving his apprenticeship in the backline ala Ratts.
 
Mr_Plow said:
I think we should look at our best 7-8 midfielders moving forward, so that excludes Deluca and Murphy whilst including Setterfield, Cuningham and Stocker:

Cripps 195
Walsh 184 (will get to 186 in a year or two)
Setterfield 192
Dow 187
Cuningham 185
Stocker 184
Petrevski-Seton 182
Fisher 177

Mean = 185.75

Sure we're undersized and underweight for the next few years, but moving forward I don't believe it to be an issue. Our utilisation of midfielders is abhorrent, though. Cuningham and Stocker should get more centre square starts at the expense of Fisher and Petrevski-Seton.

This is also assuming Kennedy isn't in our best 7-8, which is too early to call.
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Where'd you get SPS at 182? FootyWire has him at 180 and Dow at 184.

I don't think it's a major issue going forward. However, who's to say that DeLuca is going to be there long-term? I was strictly going off of this year. It's a small midfield that got smaller if DeLuca is in your primary rotation. I would hope that we'd be targeting proven AFL quality hard bodied mids at the trade table this year.

Is the view that Cunners is a midfielder or a flanker? I put him as a flanker.
 
Wickzki said:
179cm. Exactly what we needed. Another undersized midfielder who is currently injured.

Fantastic drafting.
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Don't care about the size just want someone who wants the ball.
 

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Wickzki said:
Where'd you get SPS at 182? FootyWire has him at 180.

I don't think it's a major issue going forward. However, who's to say that DeLuca is going to be there long-term? I was strictly going off of this year.
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I used the club list data, which also has Dow at 187.

Deluca being small of stature isn't a problem IMO for the now, he's strong but I just want to see whether he is good.

We have decent solutions for the now with Curnow, Kennedy and Cuningham getting more midfield minutes if the coaches want.
 
Macca43 said:
The vision reminded me a bit of Dow,good on the inside with good burst speed.
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I try not to get too excited about players highlights. Some of things we saw Troy Menzel do made him look like Daicos
 
Mr_Plow said:
I used the club list data, which also has Dow at 187.

Deluca being small of stature isn't a problem IMO for the now, he's strong but I just want to see whether he is good.

We have decent solutions for the now with Curnow, Kennedy and Cuningham getting more midfield minutes if the coaches want.
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Fair enough on the club data - thanks!

That's my problem. Simply tired of seeing our young mids smashed to pieces when we have the likes of Silvagni, Curnow, etc. who can play through the middle being given limited opportunity there.
 
HBF said:
I try not to get too excited about players highlights. Some of things we saw Troy Menzel do made him look like Daicos
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Oh what could have been if Troy Menzel had the want and work ethic. The two biggest things that make a professional athlete. Play all your junior career being that much talented than the vast majority of your opponents but when you get to the relatively level playing field that is the pros the attitude is most often make or break.
 
blueboy25 said:
Left footed midfielder who is a good kick, has pace and has some size about him.

I know a few people who were involved with him at junior football and basically said as soon as he got delisted by Fremantle, he has left no stone unturned to get himself back into the AFL system.

I think we will be pleasantly surprised on how he goes for us.
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I like this
realistically...he puts himself as a worker,so we are talking depth,and that is important because right now he may be required
can he play?
skills ?
has he seem AFL time ?
stats pls ?
 

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