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From memory he wasn't happy about the Collingwood chant that reverberated when Reilwoldt was asked to speak at the GF parade.
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From memory he wasn't happy about the Collingwood chant that reverberated when Reilwoldt was asked to speak at the GF parade.
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He was a good servant to the club and in the end we got a 3rd round pick for him. For me, the biggest thing was that Josh never seemed to improve his weaknesses. From day 1, he had a bad habit of going to his knees in a contest, effectively taking himself out of the play. Should have been pretty simple to rectify but he never did.
Also, he never really bulked up like you'd expect a ruckman to. As a result he got pushed out of contests too easily. Again, a few years hard work should have rectified it but he never did.
Hope for his sake that he has a few good years up there just so he can leave the game with his head held high.
Also, he never really bulked up like you'd expect a ruckman to. As a result he got pushed out of contests too easily. Again, a few years hard work should have rectified it but he never did.
Hope for his sake that he has a few good years up there just so he can leave the game with his head held high.
Centre Half Forward's impose themselves on the contests and on matches, good in one on one situations, strong bodied and don't duck their f**king head when going for an overhead mark.
Fraser fails dismally on all points
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I thought he always tried his best, and was pretty good for us when we made the GF's in 02 and 03. He always seemed to step up against Cox and did really well against him.
Then it all went downhill, he become soft, didn't chase hard enough, got outmarked by Peter Bell
After those comments he made about the GF parade i was really glad to see the back of him. Glad we got a pick for him, as it was more than he was worth.
Thanks for 200 games Josh, but i am sure glad you are not our problem anymore.
Then it all went downhill, he become soft, didn't chase hard enough, got outmarked by Peter Bell
After those comments he made about the GF parade i was really glad to see the back of him. Glad we got a pick for him, as it was more than he was worth.
Thanks for 200 games Josh, but i am sure glad you are not our problem anymore.
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Great servant of the club for the first 5 or 6 years of his career. I wish someone had the guts to tell him exactly where he was at, he seems completely deluded as to how well he's playing these days. The line in Side by Side about him believing he was in the top 5 rucks in the league just made me shake my head, and his decision to go to GC and keep playing was even more mindboggling, if he had any friends at the club surely they'd sit him down and tell him it was time to hang up the boots, he's doing serious damage to his legacy every game he plays like that.
Serious delusions of adequacy, don't end your career like this Josh.
Serious delusions of adequacy, don't end your career like this Josh.
Forget possessions and influence-how about putting your head over the pill when it's your turn to go? Fraser's weak effort when running through the middle early in the game was exactly why he raised the ire of so many Pie fans. Poor form, we can handle, continual soft efforts from anyone, let alone a big man are unacceptable. It was noted by the commentators at the time-and I've seen it all too often.
I get tired of people claiming poor Josh was played out of position. The man himself has insisted throughout his career that he is a ruckman-nothing more or less-A RUCKMAN!
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Josh was a great player at his best for us ... unfortunately in some peoples eyes you're "soft" if you're 6'8 and don't play like Luke Ball ... too bad getting your knees r*ped for life doesn't show up on the highlight reel.
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I too don't understand the argument he was played out of position. Why would we draft a 196cm+ man with minimal movement off the mark to play as a forward? Does anyone remember him playing ruck much when he was first recruited?
For the first four or five years, he did jack all as forward/2nd ruckman to Steve McKee and his career highlight to that point was kicking three goals in a quarter against Adelaide in a Preliminary Final. The man was a ruckman and nothing else.
I don't blame him for having his body shot, you have to remember his was rucking in 06/07 by himself and without that shitty 15m circle in the centre of the ground. By the time that came in, his knees were shot and his parting blow was when he did his knee in the All-Stars game.
That was his last hoorah.
For the first four or five years, he did jack all as forward/2nd ruckman to Steve McKee and his career highlight to that point was kicking three goals in a quarter against Adelaide in a Preliminary Final. The man was a ruckman and nothing else.
I don't blame him for having his body shot, you have to remember his was rucking in 06/07 by himself and without that shitty 15m circle in the centre of the ground. By the time that came in, his knees were shot and his parting blow was when he did his knee in the All-Stars game.
That was his last hoorah.
Who said receding hairline Jonbe. Don't believe I actually used the work hair once? I have a receding hair line plenty of other players do as well and I like those people. Doesn't mean that he needed to look 85 years old as a 3rd year player.
It is a bit tongue in cheek and I know he was butchered by us....no question about that. But doesn't mean I have to like the guy and my reasons don't have to have any logic to them.
He was first AND second ruck, though.
Gimme the highlight reel of Josh's hard ball gets or even a few couragous acts? Surely over 10-12 years and 200 games you should find more than one.
If you fall on your knees at every contest then eventually you will do some damage. Pretty sure "r*ped for life" is a tad overdramatic.
Beg pardon thought you were having a dig at his very early receeding hairline agreed as well about logic. Some people people rub me the wrong way too.Who said receding hairline Jonbe. Don't believe I actually used the work hair once? I have a receding hair line plenty of other players do as well and I like those people. Doesn't mean that he needed to look 85 years old as a 3rd year player.
It is a bit tongue in cheek and I know he was butchered by us....no question about that. But doesn't mean I have to like the guy and my reasons don't have to have any logic to them.
That dig they had at Josh was ill-informed, he was bent down low and tried to evade a head hit. It's ridiculous. Media's just a freaking hit squad at the moment, half got no idea how to even compete in sport
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Come on mate, sounds like u havent played the game either...
Bent down low??? did u see the footage and u call that bent down low... he was hardly bent...
he also raised his eyes, (so he had a look) which is soft, the idea of the game is attack the footy and have eyes for the footy. If u focus on getting the ball, you wont get hurt, so dont say he tried to avoid head contact, that is a cop out!! TAKE THE HIT!!
he was moving like snail as well, there was no attack on the ball, which is the start of the softness, and then as I said RAISING THE EYES is the BE ALL TO END ALL OF SOFTNESS!!
If you have played the game you would have known that my friend!!
Why do you think Luke Ball, Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Jude Bolten, Jonathon brown, Chris Judd are so respected....Because they constantly put there bodies on the line and won the contested ball week in, weekout!!
Something that Josh has never done!! maybe once or twice
He put some comment on his facebook page along the lines of "It's not hard to see why everyone hates Collingwood fans".
It may not have been exactly that, but it was something to that effect.
Kid had the pressure of a number 1 pick, played as main ruck when we had literally NO other rucks, Played his heart out immensely in both 02 and 03 GFs.
Glad to see him making some coin in the twilight, the kid wasn't as bad as some like to say.
Glad to see him making some coin in the twilight, the kid wasn't as bad as some like to say.
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Nor was I - it showed no respect to the opposition and a clear lack of class when the opposition captain was about to give his address. Reiwoldt made a comment about it when he went up to speak as well.
I think his comment was something around "And we wonder why Collingwood fans are among the most hated in the country", and I agree with him 100%. He was not saying he hated the Collingwood fans, he was just saying that it was things like this that has contributed to our fans' reputation.
I can assure you if opposition supporters had have done a similar thing to Maxy or MM, we would all be up in arms about it.
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It is hardly a comparison with his peers, is it? You haven't named a single ruckman, and have named mostly inside midfielders whose job it is to put THEIR bodies on the line. The ruckman's role is a little different.
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He earned pretty good money at Collingwood aswell
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There were a couple times in recent years we were going to look at Ruckman to bring in and Fraser never wanted it to happen always wnated to be first ruck
Yes in the early years we did get him to ruck alot and he did well but we did have Mckee who was our first ruck for a while until that ruck rule change which stuffed his career
Josh Fraser did an excellent job for us until we found someone who could do it better. Simple as that really. Don't care what anyone says, playing over 200 games in the AFL is an achievement that should be applauded. Because that is not easy.
For me, when Ryder spanked Fraser in the ANZAC Day game a couple of years back, the whole footballing world rained down on him, then in the return game later that season, Fraser flogged him. That typifies Josh Fraser. He's always had that character about him. And you'd have to if you're going to play 200+ games.
What annoys me about this week's scrutiny is that people are raging about Josh on the back of 15 seconds of footage, to the exclusion of the rest of the game. Yeah it didn't look good, he ran over the ball and was worried about the contact coming. But he didn't give up the contest. He turned around and laid a tackle on the player. He screwed up. Granted. But he also put in a second effort. Now, I don't know how many of you actually watched the entire game. And I wouldn't recommend watching it because it was a rubbish game, but despite his 15 seconds of shame, Josh actually played reasonably well. When I was watching it, I actually thought it was one of his best ruck-work games I have seen in some time.
For me, when Ryder spanked Fraser in the ANZAC Day game a couple of years back, the whole footballing world rained down on him, then in the return game later that season, Fraser flogged him. That typifies Josh Fraser. He's always had that character about him. And you'd have to if you're going to play 200+ games.
What annoys me about this week's scrutiny is that people are raging about Josh on the back of 15 seconds of footage, to the exclusion of the rest of the game. Yeah it didn't look good, he ran over the ball and was worried about the contact coming. But he didn't give up the contest. He turned around and laid a tackle on the player. He screwed up. Granted. But he also put in a second effort. Now, I don't know how many of you actually watched the entire game. And I wouldn't recommend watching it because it was a rubbish game, but despite his 15 seconds of shame, Josh actually played reasonably well. When I was watching it, I actually thought it was one of his best ruck-work games I have seen in some time.
I think everyone is being overly harsh on Fraser. He was a solid player over 10 years for us. He was basically our only ruckman for a lot of that period. He provided a lot of leadership. Some gratitude wouldn't go astray.
Injuries did take its toll on him at his peak & reduced his output. He was always going to struggle with his size up against giants in the ruck. But people seem to forget how good he was around the ground. He regularly beat his man by getting free due to his massive tank & work ethic. He had great skills for a big man so his possessions hurt. Only Dean Cox could run a game out with Fraser.
Had we got a player like Jolly to complement Fraser 4-5 years ago, he would be thought of differently. Instead we got McKee, Bryan, Wood. We needed a ruckman that could combat the strong bullocking ruckmen. Fraser could then run them off their feet as the second ruck resting forward. Never happened and an oppurtunity was lost. Fortunately for us L Brown has come on the scene.
Injuries did take its toll on him at his peak & reduced his output. He was always going to struggle with his size up against giants in the ruck. But people seem to forget how good he was around the ground. He regularly beat his man by getting free due to his massive tank & work ethic. He had great skills for a big man so his possessions hurt. Only Dean Cox could run a game out with Fraser.
Had we got a player like Jolly to complement Fraser 4-5 years ago, he would be thought of differently. Instead we got McKee, Bryan, Wood. We needed a ruckman that could combat the strong bullocking ruckmen. Fraser could then run them off their feet as the second ruck resting forward. Never happened and an oppurtunity was lost. Fortunately for us L Brown has come on the scene.
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Probably my biggest complaint about Josh - his best game in 5 years wasn't even for us, it was in the All-Stars game
No-one has ever claimed Fraser is a dud or isn't capable of good footy. He is soft in his attack on the ball and rarely takes a strong contested mark-a real weakness in a big man. He is good at finding space and gathering cheap possessions (which has a place in the game)but to suggest these judgements are being made on one rare moment of weakness is rubbish. I was watching footage from our drawn game with Melbourne last year only a week ago and in the final minute there was a contest in the middle of the ground which Fraser pulled out of-it was a disgrace. I replayed it about five times to convince myself that a man would do that knowing we are level with seconds to go. Pathetic.
