Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

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metic said:
Dont generalize or you might be wrong there.
The swell was *powerful at cottesloe beach during the time frame actually.
*22 second period "long period swell".
I have the proof that the surf was very strong for perth metro beach standards. You want see ?
JmO
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That footage was from a huge surf beach with a mammoth undertow. I understand it may get rough at Cottesloe and rough enough to do the damage to Cutler's car no doubt. My observation was only that the conditions weren't comparable.
 
Killer Power said:
That footage was from a huge surf beach with a mammoth undertow. I understand it may get rough at Cottesloe and rough enough to do the damage to Cutler's car no doubt. My observation was only that the conditions weren't comparable.
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"My observation was only that the conditions weren't comparable".



Yeah cottesloe beach rarely gets over a metre waves.
Its exposed to the indian ocean especially from the west/ norwest direction. In winter storms can throw up 2- 3metre waves.
The problem is that without having any records or data to compare the two you can't make this comparison accurately. Theres no pictures of cottesloe beach until car is retrieved on Weds afternoon !

Have you seen the evidence about the wave sizes around that time frame? The waves had subsided by time photos were taken at cottesloe beach weds arvo 22nd june88.
I have posted multiple times on JC forums about how powerful the waves were during the time from ~ 12.30am 20th June to when it was found weds 22nd.
The statistics show it was powerful, in fact an incredible 22second* period swell occured in the early hours of weds 22nd june. *The wave speed is ~ twice that of an average swell !
Search "long period swell" if you want to know what it means.
The way the car in SA dented is a decent explanation for why JCs car got dented and therefore evidence of the waves power i think.
Very likely more powerful in video clip in SA as we can see the dents occurred quickly and the size of the waves look between 2-3 metres. Maybe its the "period" that is concealing the power, (*meaning the waves have lots of momentum).
Swells are the same all over the world they can differ greatly in power. Waves are actually the same thing in both northern and southern hemisphere, in many of the big oceans the waves are measured the same way with buoys and the same data parameters are seen. Ocean waves differ in speed and power and "swell period" is a measure of the speed of the waves. Swell height is another measure to the 'period'.
The dents are the proof and seem to be very similar to JC's car.
Both cars dented, seems to be a good bit of informationto add to the mystery solving- imo .
Swell buoys are good at measuring swell and comparing events by the data recorded. I am very familiar with how they work and trust the way they output data. Ive been using measuring buoys for 20 years week in/out at many locations around the country/world, Its a universal language.
Have a look at cottesloe buoy data here:

https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/cottesloe-tide-and-wave.asp

Buoys use measurements of metres and are displayed on a graph. I can provide one of these type graphs for june88 made by a physical oceanographer especially for my investigation
 

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Swell period is the time between each wave. A long swell period means the storm that caused the waves is a long way away. It also means larger waves as it gives time for the smaller waves (swells) at the point of the storm to join up to create the larger ones. The power of a wave is, in simple terms, a function of the size of the swell and the shape of the bottom underneath where the waves are breaking. A wave (swell) breaks when the depth of the water below reaches the height of the swell, so a 2m wave will naturally break when the depth decreases to 2m. A wave will generally have more power if the depth decreases more suddenly.
 
Two high chances for damage to occur.

On Monday 20th '88 night AM there was a mid period (@13s) swell up to 3metres .

On Wednesday 22nd '88 middle of the night there was a small 0.5 - 1m "long period swell" (@22s) .

A badly damaged car ;
Its reasonable to conclude that damage could have occured to the fiat whilst in the ocean at Cott beach. jmO
 
metic said:
On Monday 20th '88 night AM there was a mid period (@13s) swell up to 3metres .

On Wednesday 22nd '88 middle of the night there was a small 0.5 - 1m "long period swell" (@22s) .
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Oh lordy ... we're not taking it seriously the car could have gone in Wednesday are we? :openmouth:
 
metic said:
I didn't suggest that
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You have no idea what a relief that is.
 
metic said:
By the looks of the back seats damage, it fairly well explains itself.
The upholstery is destroyed which supports the theory that car spent a few days in the sea.
jmO
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Back seat looks like it may have been in two pieces as well. The bench seat for sitting bum on is gone, I think that's what washed up earlier.
 

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one eyed spy said:
Having seen the new photo, could the back seat really have floated out of there?
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Bugging me a bit though that the police have made an appeal for anyone who might have seen that back seat floating about.

Unless it's to try to inch closer to the timing of it all, maybe.
 
petedavo said:
Captures from the news video.
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Did you notice the capture where forensics are still at the car with their van? Proof the video was taken very close to the fiat being pulled from the sea. imo.
 
Is there any close up photos of the steering wheel? From that image above it looks like the wheel is bent which, if is the case, would indicate it had been driven at speed into the ocean and would have left some very noticeable injuries on the person driving it. Also, I wonder if the vehicle was in neutral or a gear when discovered? Apologies if this info had been mentioned.

**Edit: Yep, very bent steering wheel, I wonder if this was done during the removal of the vehicle or not?

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Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

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