Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

[BFew]

Inquest into the Suspected death of Julie CUTLER

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER, Julie Leanne.pdf (49 pages)
'[2023] WACOR 19
JURISDICTION : CORONER'S COURT OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA
ACT : CORONERS ACT 1996
CORONER : SARAH HELEN LINTON, DEPUTY STATE CORONER HEARD :
3 - 4 NOVEMBER 2022 DELIVERED : 6 APRIL 2023
FILE NO/S : CORC 830 of 2019
DECEASED : CUTLER, JULIE LEANNE'

 

[petedavo]

Claremont and Bunbury. Do we know of any attacks at Bunbury late 80s through to end 90s PD? Also, does Kalgoorlie have a speedway?

Yes x 2

 

[petedavo]

So Krikke brothers died running off the road 7 days ? prior Ciaras disappearance?
On their way home from Claremont Speedway.
Was it really an accident?

At 3am in the morning, probably drinking, most likely fatigued

Nothing to indicate any third party involvement at all.
http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/the-krikke-boys.html
The only link to the CSK case is that a picture of the Kewdale house of the accused upon google streetview has shows a white 4WD with a "WA 95 for the boys" sticker that was given out at the first Krikke Boys shootout held in commemoration of the deaths, (95 was the number on their speedway car) on it's rear window when you go through the time regression in Google Street View.

 

[petedavo]

Lovely bunch of Volkswagons PD. Coincidence?

Entirely coincidence IMHO.
I have now ruled out the former police recruit road rage theory as he didn't start working at a location on Stirling Hwy until 1993. His mention in the Inquiry to the Pamela Lawrence investigation likewise has nothing to do with his driving of vehicles. IMO we can safely ditch that theory. He doesn't have any reason to be on Stirling Hwy in 1988.
David Everett, on the other hand.... may of had a reason, a motive.

 

[petedavo]

http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2008/07/02/2298016.htm
8 July, 2008 4:40PM AEDT
Keith Fennell and David Everett
By Pete Dillon

What happens when highly trained and conditioned former SAS Soldiers leave the force? In these two cases, one went on to private consulting work in Iraq, the other to a life of crime to fund the Karen Independence fighters in Burma. Keith Fennell is mow a stsay at home Dad studying a double degree in creative arts, whilst David Everett has served 10 years in prison and is now on the road to reform. Co hosted by Tony Wilson with Kathy Bowlen, this was an interesting and engaging conversation hour where we learned what interesting paths these two men had travelled.

 

[Melsy]

Nothing to indicate any third party involvement at all.
http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/the-krikke-boys.html
The only link to the CSK case is that a picture of the Kewdale house of the accused upon google streetview has shows a white 4WD with a "WA 95 for the boys" sticker that was given out at the first Krikke Boys shootout held in commemoration of the deaths, (95 was the number on their speedway car) on it's rear window when you go through the time regression in Google Street View.

Bunbury number plates

Krikke brothers dead the weekend before Ciara. Highly skilled drivers off the road just out of Bunbury.

 

[Melsy]

http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2008/07/02/2298016.htm
8 July, 2008 4:40PM AEDT
Keith Fennell and David Everett
By Pete Dillon

What happens when highly trained and conditioned former SAS Soldiers leave the force? In these two cases, one went on to private consulting work in Iraq, the other to a life of crime to fund the Karen Independence fighters in Burma. Keith Fennell is mow a stsay at home Dad studying a double degree in creative arts, whilst David Everett has served 10 years in prison and is now on the road to reform. Co hosted by Tony Wilson with Kathy Bowlen, this was an interesting and engaging conversation hour where we learned what interesting paths these two men had travelled.

I read about a David Everitt who was armed forces then Telstra 89-98 for some time.
Wrong person I presume.

 

[petedavo]

Death records might have something. Self inflicted vehicle roll over wont show up too many places.
A 21 year old girl leaves a house in Cottesloe, rolling over at around 1am in the morning on Westcoast highway just after the Swanbourne barracks heading north. 1988?
Maybe not. Maybe just coincidence.

Yes, everyone dying or dead including witnesses to many these cases especially the Finn case.

Murderers running around free.

Last time that a serial killer used a motor vehicle as a weapon to kill some victims in Perth was Eric Cooke as far as I'm aware. And he's been deceased for 50 years.

 

[metic]

Pictures taken a few days ago at cott beach.

From the buildings top story,
a view of the roadway is possible.
I guess anybody in there was asleep at the time..

Looks easy to drive onto the beach from this little road, you could do it today - nothing blocking it .
Was it same in 1988 ¿

* Tide is lower in these pictures than the mon 20th June 88 - when it was up higher level

 

[metic]

Adding this to my last post
Of the buildings view

 

[Melsy]

Last time that a serial killer used a motor vehicle as a weapon to kill some victims in Perth was Eric Cooke as far as I'm aware. And he's been deceased for 50 years.

The Cooke copy cat hey.

 

[petedavo]

The Cooke copy cat hey.

An yet to be identified Eric Cooke copy cat, if there was one. But, although Cooke did burglary and in one case that was at the same house as a later victim, his motor vehicle killings were random strangers, and they were pedestrians. Why would an Eric Cooke wannabe break into her residence, try to intercept her on Stirling Highway, then abandon that and ultimately get her, going to the trouble of disposing her car, hiding her body, make a phone call to a journalist, and to top it off drop a bag of clothes in an arcade? The only thing Cooke ever hid was a gun, which he came back for. Do you have any news clippings of dubious motor vehicle deaths or road rage attacks that you intimate could be the work of this unknown serial killer?

 

[petedavo]

There's always road rage incidents being reported. There was even a murder down near Byford in the last year or so. But if we're looking specifically for a series of events that could be related, I'd opine that the nature of this sort of thing would be difficult to sleuth without detailed description of drivers, cars, or suspicious damage to vehicles. Certainly I haven't seen anything in the media that I can remember suggesting a rogue driver attempting pit maneuvers upon unsuspecting drivers at night, especially along Stirling Highway. Granted, the description of the allegations made by the people in the Volkswagen about the driver of the blue Gemini who turned out to be a police recruit at the time are eerily similar to the description of the incident as told by Julie Cutler's sister, but it was almost two years before, and I don't know how accurate either is. I had since been told to look up the death of a young lady allegedly involved in a single vehicle rollover somewhere near Swanbourne or City Beach on route 71. But I couldn't find anything, and if Police didn't suspect another vehicle being involved, then I doubt that there was any evidence to suggest so.
Anyways, road rage nutters don't break into victims residences and then stalk them. Domestic violence nutters do, and it would appear from MSM that the police must've ruled out ex boyfriends and acquaintances. At least I assume that they have, and from what John Cooke wrote on his facebook and twitter about giving police a statement because he was in the same university class as Julie and kept in touch occasionally, would bear out that Police have contacted everyone that even remotely knew her to look into this angle.
oh and before anyone makes anything of this, John was in Europe when Julie went missing.

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/western-suburbs-weekly/20180626/281539406688518

 

[GreyCrow]

Thanks for the pictures. Those pine trees are alongside a road? The road seems to align , slightly off centre, with the road to the beach. Pretty sure I would make a mistake and take that road , late at night and drunk.

But thats my driving.

 

[Melsy]

An yet to be identified Eric Cooke copy cat, if there was one. But, although Cooke did burglary and in one case that was at the same house as a later victim, his motor vehicle killings were random strangers, and they were pedestrians. Why would an Eric Cooke wannabe break into her residence, try to intercept her on Stirling Highway, then abandon that and ultimately get her, going to the trouble of disposing her car, hiding her body, make a phone call to a journalist, and to top it off drop a bag of clothes in an arcade? The only thing Cooke ever hid was a gun, which he came back for. Do you have any news clippings of dubious motor vehicle deaths or road rage attacks that you intimate could be the work of this unknown serial killer?

I need to read it again and check how the flat was broken into. And further details of the wallet.
Nah, I dont have clippings. Bit of a pain really because I have to search all over again.

 

[QuietThinker]

8th March 1997.
Sunday Times, 9th View attachment 546686

Reading this article mentions Tania Cato-Shapter killed same weekend driving back from near Mandurah. Mandurah being enroute to Bunbury and ? BRE links to Mandurah holiday house. Anyone able to find more info on this accident?


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[petedavo]

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/western-suburbs-weekly/20180626/281539406688518

Extract
"Police Minister Michelle Roberts said they may also recommend protection from prosecution or a pardon for any informant not directly responsible for the disappearance."

 

[Melsy]

8th March 1997.
Sunday Times, 9th View attachment 546686

So the thought was that Krikke had fallen a sleep at the wheel on the way home from Claremont Speedway at 3am.
So what time does speedway close?
Bunbury 2 1/2 hours from Claremont in 97?
6 days before Ciara went missing.

21 years of age - dead: fell asleep

Slammed sideways

Not on the track.
http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.com/the-krikke-boys.html

*The cousin, 18 who died in the accident was a keen fisherman
Not many media details left on Cutlers break-in and wallet.

 

[Melsy]

petedavo There was a wingless division at Claremont wasn't there Pete? WASDA.
Did anyone ever practice at Baldivis pine plantation?
Maybe a little yellow bunky?

I spend a bit of time out at a rifle range in some pines. Cars and bikes racing all the time.

 

[petedavo]

Williams parents had a petrol station with mechanical shop on Stirling highway very near Eric st?

I'd be interested to hear why police asked one of William's family members whether he wore women's clothes.

Implying Ross was in a relationship with Peter. Dress shops on Stirling high, one near the petrol station.
Girl found buried in the rear of one shop.

Even Rayney was asked if he was in a gay relationship.

Police narrative sounds like a gay sex fest.

Williams went to school with Julie Cutler, whose car was mysteriously found off Cottesloe Beach in 1988. Twenty-two-year-old Cutler was last seen at 12.30 am on 20 June 1988 when she left the Parmelia Hilton Hotel in Perth's CBD after a staff function. Her car was found floating two days later in the sea off Cottesloe beach.

https://full-english-books.net/engl...e-devils-garden-201939-read-online-chapter-15

Media reports consistently claim that police told Cutler's parents she may be the first victim of the Claremont killer, but in Macro's management meetings investigators failed to reach a conclusion on this either way. 'It's known she had two boyfriends of European extraction, and word from police is they are implicated in her disappearance,' a journalist tells me. '

.we actually interviewed a suspect some time back who was pulled in by the taskforce several times, grilled for six hours, DNA swabs taken etc . .

Too many theories and too many players. I think the best way to go is to eliminate any where the evidence can, and probably create a table of the facts in a timeline across the top, the theoretical suspects down, and tick the boxes where the two intersect with evidence to support, and cross in the boxes where evidence shows the suspect couldn't and blank the boxes elsewhere where there is nothing known yet.
More than a couple of crosses then we eliminate that theoretical suspect.
Then we sleuth out the blanks to see if we can put a tick or cross in the box.
When a theoretical suspect ticks all the columns in his or her row, we refer the evidence to the cold case detectives and if we are very lucky to find some actual confirming proof that can be used in Court, claim the reward.
Otherwise you're just going around in circles and not getting anywhere. And no one will give you kudos for throwing a 100 ideas in the hope that one of them will stick when others eventually do the work and discover the truth. In my humble opinion it'll be a lot easier to recognise connections and follow the clues if you tabulate those things you're discovering that give you a gut feeling so you can work out what's valid from what's a false lead. I follow dead ends too, so if I get a chance I'll do up a spreadsheet or even a matrix of where I'm up-to on this so far. And maybe that might help others to find the evidence to add to, confirm or contradict the alternative theories, either for themselves or collaboratively. You know what your thinking, but I'm lost in all the alternatives that you're mulling over, that you keep throwing to the forum. I've looked for whatever I could in each to see if they could progress, but I'm coming up blank in almost all instances. It doesn't help when this case occurred before the internet created blogs, and newspaper archives online.

 

[Melsy]

Too many theories and too many players. I think the best way to go is to eliminate any where the evidence can, and probably create a table of the facts in a timeline across the top, the theoretical suspects down, and tick the boxes where the two intersect with evidence to support, and cross in the boxes where evidence shows the suspect couldn't and blank the boxes elsewhere where there is nothing known yet.
More than a couple of crosses then we eliminate that theoretical suspect.
Then we sleuth out the blanks to see if we can put a tick or cross in the box.
When a theoretical suspect ticks all the columns in his or her row, we refer the evidence to the cold case detectives and if we are very lucky to find some actual confirming proof that can be used in Court, claim the reward.
Otherwise you're just going around in circles and not getting anywhere. And no one will give you kudos for throwing a 100 ideas in the hope that one of them will stick when others eventually do the work and discover the truth. In my humble opinion it'll be a lot easier to recognise connections and follow the clues if you tabulate those things you're discovering that give you a gut feeling so you can work out what's valid from what's a false lead. I follow dead ends too, so if I get a chance I'll do up a spreadsheet or even a matrix of where I'm up-to on this so far. And maybe that might help others to find the evidence to add to, confirm or contradict the alternative theories, either for themselves or collaboratively. You know what your thinking, but I'm lost in all the alternatives that you're mulling over, that you keep throwing to the forum. I've looked for whatever I could in each to see if they could progress, but I'm coming up blank in almost all instances. It doesn't help when this case occurred before the internet created blogs, and newspaper archives online.

They are not random ideas. There is not 100. None of them can be discounted or they wouldn't be posted.
They are largely proposed by police and media.

1. We have a mad driver try run Julie off the road two weeks prior her disappearance.
2. We have another woman abducted by a person with steel seat and rough driving gloves outside leaving the Sheraton who was dumped at Centenary Ave, Wilson after 3 hours of beating. Yep, thats 3 hours she was with him. (Witness)
This stinks of amateur wingless speedway/rally.
3. We have another Sheraton staff member in attempted abduction in (1993). (Witness)

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Claremont_Attacks/JYm3Rct01U

So with reports of a mad driver running attempting to run Julie off the road, we have an accused with a vehicle containing Bunbury number plates, Krikke sticker (Krikke 97) on the rear window and a dead Krikke who hit something sideways just outside of Bunbury with a passenger in the car after leaving the Claremont Speedway 6 days before Ciaras disappearance and a government psychiatrist saying he is looking for "someone with a disturbed mind at the time of the incidents."

They are not random incidents. There is nothing to preclude them.

 

[Melsy]

As for the girl in the VW beetle.
1. She is a female 21 year old.
2. The incident happened in 1988
3. She departed from Cottesloe
4. The incident occured not long after pass Swanbourne barracks
5. It is alledged she fell alseep at the wheel.
6. The incident occurred about 1.30am I am lead to believe.

This probably is what it is but lets wait and see, maybe 2 years when we know more and can discount more.

Another woman had been abducted from Cottesloe and taken to Swanbourne drive-in where she was assaulted by a guy with thick stubble.

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Claremont_Attacks/JYm3Rct01U

 

[petedavo]

So Krikke brothers died running off the road 7 days ? prior Ciaras disappearance?
On their way home from Claremont Speedway.
Was it really an accident?

Other family members were in a car not far behind the pair before their fatal accident. They would've seen any other vehicles if there was any third party involved IMO because on that stretch of Old Coast Rd at the time, there were no intersecting roads, driveways or tracks for another vehicle to conceal themselves, or disappear from the scene. For the CSK accused to be involved in such a scenario, when his own family and his best mate had relatives driving speedway cars themselves would beggar believe. I can't see anyone involved with the speedway fraternity being involved in sabotaging other competitors in such a way, especially since it appears that most of their families were intermarried or very close socially.

 

[Melsy]

Other family members were in a car not far behind the pair before their fatal accident. They would've seen any other vehicles if there was any third party involved IMO because on that stretch of Old Coast Rd at the time, there were no intersecting roads, driveways or tracks for another vehicle to conceal themselves, or disappear from the scene. For the CSK accused to be involved in such a scenario, when his own family and his best mate had relatives driving speedway cars themselves would beggar believe. I can't see anyone involved with the speedway fraternity being involved in sabotaging other competitors in such a way, especially since it appears that most of their families were intermarried or very close socially.

Just out of Bunbury. It said his father was not far away. Not sure if they were on the same road behind?

This would mean both occupants were alseep when the occupants slammed into a tree sideways near Mylup (Old Coast road), the weekend before Ciaras disappearance.
I think the family lived in Mylup. Not far away.

*ps This is not allegations. This is just testing with reasonable probability. Its not a stab in the dark, regards above incidents in crimes.

Everyone must have had blue Geminis'. They are everywhere.

The car hit the tree sideways with such force, it split the car in half, onpiece flying for 70 metres.

 

[Beatnicked]

The driver of the car that tried to run Julie Cutler off the road was wearing driving gloves and also had a steel bucket seat in his vehicle? Would you be so kinda as to please point me towards where you have found this information? Thankyou

How do you know for a fact that the gloves were 'driving gloves'.

Didn't the victim indicate rough texture or feeling. Gloves could have been type used by workmen. Offender scavenged plastic and tape from debris dumpster didnt he? Could be where gloves came from.

It is also possible the victim misidentified the vehicle colour as yellow. Street lighting can cause perception of colour to change. So can colour blindness so too eyesight issues.

 

[Melsy]

How do you know for a fact that the gloves were 'driving gloves'.

Didn't the victim indicate rough texture or feeling. Gloves could have been type used by workmen. Offender scavenged plastic and tape from debris dumpster didnt he? Could be where gloves came from.

It is also possible the victim misidentified the vehicle colour as yellow. Street lighting can cause perception of colour to change. So can colour blindness so too eyesight issues.

Have you a copy of the article?