Jumper clash fails

[Pocket Terrace]

Nice post, unfortunately you are wrong. Collingwoods original jumper was Black with white stripes.

And for the jumper clashes, Collingwoods is just about the best, they are black and white striped yes, but one is a black jumper and the other is white. If you can’t tell the difference in the contrast then off to spec savers.

On several occasions, my post mentions the difference between the mostly white (current clash) and mostly black (current home) Collingwood jumpers. That would suggest I understand the difference between the two jumpers without needing a visit to spec savers.

Now, as for this original Collingwood jumper that’s supposedly mostly black as you have claimed. Do you have any photos of this jumper? The only ones I’ve seen from that era have plenty of white across the back and are nothing at all like the current home jumper design that the club have used since 2001. I’m happy to stand corrected if you can find anything other than what McGuire erroneously claimed at the time. The photos and links already posted in this thread don’t support your claim.

 

[Pocket Terrace]

As Port (like every other club) are a part of the AFL, there is little to no freedom for members to choose what their team wears.
In most cases we get the privilege's to choose our president and board but after that, the AFL controls it.

What if Tasmania got in and said "Hawthorn were popular when they were here, how about our jumper is brown with slightly thinner gold stripes"
The AFL must protect the traditions of its existing clubs, when allowing others to enter the comp.

Sadly for Port black with white stripes, is already taken.

Though with my second eye open, I can understand the frustration from the other side.

This I agree with. I just don’t think the two jumpers in question are that similar overall, so I could see it potentially working without problems.

If the argument was that both sets of fans would end up looking too similar (scarves, jackets, etc.), then yes absolutely. Both home crowds would look almost identical.

But the jumpers are very different in a lot of respects, especially if the Pies still wore the home jumper that they’ve worn for the vast majority of their existence.

 

[phantom13]

We did agree to step one and to step two. I would nearly agree to step three.
Unfortunately though that will never be enough and they will always want more.

So. Let them want more, you guys agreeing to nothing and not even be willing to discuss the matter is silly.

This is a dumb argument. You look silly. The VFL became the AFL. Hence why Carlton has 16 premierships. The SANFL did not become the AFL, hence why Port only has 1

I’ve never argued the sanfl became the Afl but your punishing a team for earning the right to enter the premier (and only) national competition because others got gifted entry. The counter of the VFL IS THE AFL isn’t right either it is now a National competition and ever expanding.

 

[phantom13]

As Port (like every other club) are a part of the AFL, there is little to no freedom for members to choose what their team wears.
In most cases we get the privilege's to choose our president and board but after that, the AFL controls it.

What if Tasmania got in and said "Hawthorn were popular when they were here, how about our jumper is brown with slightly thinner gold stripes"
The AFL must protect the traditions of its existing clubs, when allowing others to enter the comp.

Sadly for Port black with white stripes, is already taken.

Though with my second eye open, I can understand the frustration from the other side.

I think this is a rare reasonable position from a collingwood supporter and doesn’t go down the “what will they want next” road. Respect to this

 

[Saltiga]

This is a dumb argument. You look silly. The VFL became the AFL. Hence why Carlton has 16 premierships. The SANFL did not become the AFL, hence why Port only has 1

The VFL didn't become the AFL. That's just a convenient argument for VFL clubs to be able to have their history count in the AFL whilst denying the history of interstate clubs. It's very hypocritical and says we value our history but you can't value yours.

All current AFL teams entered the competition at some point when it changed from the VFL to the AFL.

Collingwood just seems to get some sick perverse enjoyment from being c*nts to Port over one round per season like they do/did from being c*nts to their aboriginal players for decades.

 

[yodellinhank]

Saints candy stripe is the same design with one extra color, it’s closer to your design than ports but you don’t argue that one.

It’s selective and even amongst pies supporters your on your own here

It has an extra colour. I think I've read plenty of pie fans say they don't object to the teal.

 

[yodellinhank]

hahaha if only the interstate clubs, who saved the debt ridden vfl clubs of the time demanded Collingwood relinquish their history to be part of the AFL. You'd be squealing like stuck pigs!

If only.

 

[beerbandit]

The VFL didn't become the AFL. That's just a convenient argument for VFL clubs to be able to have their history count in the AFL whilst denying the history of interstate clubs. It's very hypocritical and says we value our history but you can't value yours.

All current AFL teams entered the competition at some point when it changed from the VFL to the AFL.

Collingwood just seems to get some sick perverse enjoyment from being c*nts to Port over one round per season like they do/did from being c*nts to their aboriginal players for decades.

You didn’t come into the AFL as Port Adelaide Magpies, you came into the AFL as Port Adelaide Power in a Teal jumper. You left the PA Magpies in the SANFL.

It is your club sir who are being c*nts by selling merchandise with Magpies on it, who do you think you guys are? There is no teal in your logo anymore and it is your club who are pushing the boundaries and I think as Collingwood supporters we have every right to be pissed off, why wouldn’t we be? And all the other clubs couldn’t give a hoot because it doesn’t effect them.

You guys came into the AFL 25 years ago as the Power and you are the ones now trying to distance yourself from that, but unfortunately for you there already is a Magpies in the AFL and unfortunately for you they are the biggest club in this country so they will not back down from there position in allowing the Port Power to wear black and white stripes.

 

[Mr39]

This thread is meant to be reserved for complaining about white shorts and number panels. Can the PB talk move elsewhere?

 

[phantom13]

Yeh my bad. Apologies.

 

[doppleganger]

This thread is meant to be reserved for complaining about white shorts and number panels. Can the PB talk move elsewhere?

The number panel should get in the bin, it creates clashes.

The original intent of number panels was to ensure the number stood out when many striped jumpers were fully striped on the back.

Now it creates clashes, Ports original Chevron jumper had a full black back and white number...Port should revert back to their heritage chevron jumpers.

 

[yodellinhank]

Obviously the biggest game in the world doesn't compare, lets go to a 1 country game with 32 teams with unique branding. The NFL has
San Franscisco, Kansas City in Red & Yellow (Even Washington with Maroon)
Both LA sides wear Blue & Yellow
Buffalo, New England and New York Giants Red, White & Blue
Detroit & Indianapolis Blue & White

These billion dollar franchises have no issue with branding

Not sure its a good comparison. The heritage of those teams goes back beyond the NFL Superbowl era to when they played in separate competitions. Only Bills and Patriots are in the same conference, and actually the same division. They've both chopped and changed their branding to try to differentiate better from their rivals.

When you look at it, you could probably a argue there's a football competition in Australia with 18 teams and 3 of them wear blue and white?

 

[yodellinhank]

And Port Adelaide is Port Adelaide Doofus.

I thought they were The Power?

 

[Soggy2112]

The number panel should get in the bin, it creates clashes.

The original intent of number panels was to ensure the number stood out when many striped jumpers were fully striped on the back.

Now it creates clashes, Ports original Chevron jumper had a full black back and white number...Port should revert back to their heritage chevron jumpers.

Fair enough, but in that case Collingwood should revert to the white jumper at home because the black one causes clashes.

 

[Saltiga]

You didn’t come into the AFL as Port Adelaide Magpies, you came into the AFL as Port Adelaide Power in a Teal jumper. You left the PA Magpies in the SANFL.

It is your club sir who are being c*nts by selling merchandise with Magpies on it, who do you think you guys are? There is no teal in your logo anymore and it is your club who are pushing the boundaries and I think as Collingwood supporters we have every right to be pissed off, why wouldn’t we be? And all the other clubs couldn’t give a hoot because it doesn’t effect them.

You guys came into the AFL 25 years ago as the Power and you are the ones now trying to distance yourself from that, but unfortunately for you there already is a Magpies in the AFL and unfortunately for you they are the biggest club in this country so they will not back down from there position in allowing the Port Power to wear black and white stripes.

Port is still the magpies in the SANFL and that is the merchandise that is being sold not the AFL side.

Furthermore port is happy as the Power wearing teal in the AFL. It's only our heritage we want to celebrate once per season like all the other AFL teams get to do. Stop telling lies that we're trying to be black and white magpies in the AFL.

Collingwood certainly isn't the biggest club in the land.

 

[doppleganger]

Fair enough, but in that case Collingwood should revert to the white jumper at home because the black one causes clashes.

AFL correctly identifies that teams like Geelong who prefer a predominantly white jumper should then have matching shorts.

It is nonsense to allow a club like Port to be half/half as it promotes clashes.

Collingwood is simple, a black kit and a white kit.

If we are home team and want to play in the black kit, it is up to the away team to play in a kit that isnt predominantly black, navy or dark purple.

 

[yodellinhank]

AFL correctly identifies that teams like Geelong who prefer a predominantly white jumper should then have matching shorts.

It is nonsense to allow a club like Port to be half/half as it promotes clashes.

Collingwood is simple, a black kit and a white kit.

If we are home team and want to play in the black kit, it is up to the away team to play in a kit that isnt predominantly black, navy or dark purple.

NFL used to always be half-half.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Furthermore port is happy as the Power wearing teal in the AFL.

Far be it from me to take sides but this doesn’t seem correct.

Port have removed any reference to “Power” in their logo.

Port made a new logo with the only bit of teal being a token thin outline.

Port have also removed all teal from their away strip, with it now just being grey with black and white.

As a neutral I think there’s merit on both sides of the argument. Yes this is only for showdowns. But I don’t doubt for one second that if Port are granted this step, they’ll keep pushing toward permanent removal of the teal and a purely black and white identity. Actions speak loudest and that’s what Port have done wherever they can.

 

[doppleganger]

Port is still the magpies in the SANFL and that is the merchandise that is being sold not the AFL side.

That is the main problem, by now the clubs should be playing in the same jumper, logo, themesong etc.

Furthermore port is happy as the Power wearing teal in the AFL. It's only our heritage we want to celebrate once per season like all the other AFL teams get to do.

Your president and all the clubs actions dont agree with that line.

Even the new logo was meant to be just for the anniversary.

Below is embracing Power colours and the prison bar design....without bringing back the magpies. And add a Port heritage colour clash option.

 

[doppleganger]

NFL used to always be half-half.

We arent the NFL

We used to think (and many people still cling to it) that white shorts was enough

 

[Soggy2112]

AFL correctly identifies that teams like Geelong who prefer a predominantly white jumper should then have matching shorts.

It is nonsense to allow a club like Port to be half/half as it promotes clashes.

Collingwood is simple, a black kit and a white kit.

If we are home team and want to play in the black kit, it is up to the away team to play in a kit that isnt predominantly black, navy or dark purple.

Port Adelaide made a change to a kit that increases clashes. You think the AFL should make them change it.

Collingwood made a change to a kit that increases clashes (previously they clashed with only two teams, now it’s nearly the whole league). By you’re own logic the Pies should switch back.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Port is still the magpies in the SANFL and that is the merchandise that is being sold not the AFL side.

Furthermore port is happy as the Power wearing teal in the AFL. It's only our heritage we want to celebrate once per season like all the other AFL teams get to do. Stop telling lies that we're trying to be black and white magpies in the AFL.

Collingwood certainly isn't the biggest club in the land.

maybe not but we all know who the biggest whining club is.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Far be it from me to take sides but this doesn’t seem correct.

Port have removed any reference to “Power” in their logo.

Port made a new logo with the only bit of teal being a token thin outline.

Port have also removed all teal from their away strip, with it now just being grey with black and white.

As a neutral I think there’s merit on both sides of the argument. Yes this is only for showdowns. But I don’t doubt for one second that if Port are granted this step, they’ll keep pushing toward permanent removal of the teal and a purely black and white identity. Actions speak loudest and that’s what Port have done wherever they can.

Exactly - Port won't STFU until the get rid of the teal. can't say i blame them. what were they thinking?

 

[doppleganger]

Port Adelaide made a change to a kit that increases clashes. You think the AFL should make them change it.

Port made a change that blurs the line between a dark and light kit.

So now when a team like Carlton plays Port, if they wear the white alternate kit from behind it is hard to tell apart.

It is why Geelong now use white shorts as part of home kit instead of previously going with navy...Port should be told to go back to the traditional herirage all black chevron jumper.

Collingwood made a change to a kit that increases clashes (previously they clashed with only two teams, now it’s nearly the whole league). By you’re own logic the Pies should switch back.

My own logic is about having kits that align.

Port with half a white back in a supposed black kit is nonsense.

Collingwood abolished the white jumper and black shorts home kit, to go all black at home and all white away.

It avoids clashes, the problem is the other Melbourne clubs not using a clash jumper when they should.

 

[beerbandit]

Port is still the magpies in the SANFL and that is the merchandise that is being sold not the AFL side.

Furthermore port is happy as the Power wearing teal in the AFL. It's only our heritage we want to celebrate once per season like all the other AFL teams get to do. Stop telling lies that we're trying to be black and white magpies in the AFL.

Collingwood certainly isn't the biggest club in the land.

Every paragraph of this post is absolute rubbish. Please think before you post this garbage.

Every bit of merchandise you sell is now black and white and states Est. 1870.

Your logo says Est. 1870. Is this in reference to the Port Adelaide Magpies? The SANFL club??

I thought the Port Adelaide Power were established in 1997. In actual fact I know they were because I for one were sitting in the MCG watching there first game when we pumped you by 13 goals.