Rumour Justin Leppitsch and The Players
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Slitherin9
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And that's Leppa making a massive point. O'Brien out, Bewick resigned. If you don't buy in then f*** off. We are building a club here.
Agreed... although Bewick really needs to shine this year. He has the ability to play really solid footy, he just has to work on consistency
Slitherin9
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A bit surprised at the lack of O'Brien love.
Thought he had some admirers. I personally thought he wa a bit rubbish. Stoked that Bewick has another contract though.
Thought he had some admirers. I personally thought he wa a bit rubbish. Stoked that Bewick has another contract though.
Yeah awareness was the killer for ZoB I'd say
lukiuslion
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I think, whilst this thread exposes and touches on a rumour that a lot of us suspect to be true - the answer lies in our on field performance in 2016, not in facilities, or excuses, or list building or game plans.. his time is now. He gets another crack and we should get behind him, he is a legend of our club. He has made mistakes and things couldn't be much worse as of right now, but we/he could very well over come this challenge.
Ill be looking for signs of buy in from the players which can be visible even when we are losing, signs which were, IMO largely non existent in 2015.
lets see how we come out next year.
Those calling for his head now are asking for something that isn't going to and shouldn't happen, those defending his coaching on every front are going to need to either prepare for the biggest 'I told you so' victory in lions history - or prepare some better arguments in defence of him in 2016 because there's not going to much room for fence sitting 'IF' things go bad.
One way or the other (and here's to hoping his Lions that steam rolled the pies in late 2014 return) I am very interested in seeing how the team responds in 2016.
Ill be looking for signs of buy in from the players which can be visible even when we are losing, signs which were, IMO largely non existent in 2015.
lets see how we come out next year.
Those calling for his head now are asking for something that isn't going to and shouldn't happen, those defending his coaching on every front are going to need to either prepare for the biggest 'I told you so' victory in lions history - or prepare some better arguments in defence of him in 2016 because there's not going to much room for fence sitting 'IF' things go bad.
One way or the other (and here's to hoping his Lions that steam rolled the pies in late 2014 return) I am very interested in seeing how the team responds in 2016.
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Slitherin9
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No surprise it is the non-performers/pea-hearts who don't like him.
Zorko and Green were diamonds in the rough but you can't rest your laurels on a few trick plays. Boost your fitness and your bag of tricks and earn your spot you spoilt plodders.
Zorko and Green were diamonds in the rough but you can't rest your laurels on a few trick plays. Boost your fitness and your bag of tricks and earn your spot you spoilt plodders.
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I'm not sure if you know who Zac O'brien is. Don't think you can say boost your fitness and earn your spot. Every time he put the jumper on; he played his heart out and left absolutely nothing on the field. Just fell a bit short, that's it. Don't go ranting that a bloke who gave his all is a plodder, completely disrespectful.
Not so sure about that, I have played in footy clubs and cricket clubs, if it gets physical between players this can generally be sorted out, when a coach gets involved it is the beginning of the end. This action is also pretty indicative of flaws in Leppa's persona. When has a welfare manager ever been the most important person at the club? I dare say Leppa's career at the Lions will be heavily dependent on how Lambert rates his performance in 2016.
Ok , line in the sand and look in the mirror time for us ! We need to all start rowing in the same direction , we need to toughen up , we need to unite stop bitching and realise we finished second last and have under performed for years , cannot just keep blaming coaches , many need to pull the finger out and earn their large pay packets
Sounds like too many players with high opinions of themselves , at this point they have nothing to hang there hats on ! Yes they are babies and the club has just tried to inject older players to guide them
They need and so do we to get behind the coach just like the dogs did this season and have a bloody go , get a mindset like the Hawks
Then we just might surprise ourselves !
Go Leppa !
Sounds like too many players with high opinions of themselves , at this point they have nothing to hang there hats on ! Yes they are babies and the club has just tried to inject older players to guide them
They need and so do we to get behind the coach just like the dogs did this season and have a bloody go , get a mindset like the Hawks
Then we just might surprise ourselves !
Go Leppa !
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You are more qualified than I to know mate. I do understand that the players need to make the most of their careers. I think it is largely down to the club and staff to get the players to take ownership in the club to help them want to stay. Thicker skin at time would help at times though.
lukiuslion
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The one thing that I will never accept is the notion the the adult leader of young men should be involved in any form of physical altercation with them to get their point across. Having to resort to physical measures in the team environment completely undermines your stature as a mature leader. There is absolutely no room for it and it would absolutely cause players to devalue the leader who resorts to such things.
Local footy, basketball, workplace, school/ teacher, gym instructor .. in no situation ever, is a leader imposing themselves for any reason using physical measures acceptable. Physicality between team mates at training or a blow up in the rooms is different, they are all on the same level - a leader, in a position of authority, should never resort to lowering their colours and imposing them selves upon those who they are educating or in control of using physical measure, regardless of what the person involved did.
This goes beyond Leppa and is just a social standard in every aspect, not even about morality, its about maintaining respect as a leader, I am always surprised to see people advocating the incident with ZOB as acceptable, in some cases... desirable!.
I think it was the start of some real fracturing in the playing group and whilst not the 'key' to these issue, I don't think it helped.
Local footy, basketball, workplace, school/ teacher, gym instructor .. in no situation ever, is a leader imposing themselves for any reason using physical measures acceptable. Physicality between team mates at training or a blow up in the rooms is different, they are all on the same level - a leader, in a position of authority, should never resort to lowering their colours and imposing them selves upon those who they are educating or in control of using physical measure, regardless of what the person involved did.
This goes beyond Leppa and is just a social standard in every aspect, not even about morality, its about maintaining respect as a leader, I am always surprised to see people advocating the incident with ZOB as acceptable, in some cases... desirable!.
I think it was the start of some real fracturing in the playing group and whilst not the 'key' to these issue, I don't think it helped.
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Would love to see the beach that the club uses to draw all these lines in the sand over the past 5 years. Must look like a huge pair of corduroy pants by now.
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In opening this thread, I simply wanted to state that there are some rumblings between Players & Coach, not headhunt Leppa.
I strongly believe in Leppa's ability to change the culture of this club. If player's don't want to buy in, they can f*ck off or even worse, play NEAFL every week. Zac O'Brien is a true testament to this. He crossed the line with two of our coaches and as a result, won our Reserves B&F followed by being delisted, talk about a double whammy to end your time at a struggling club.
This Gen Y playing group across the AFL is the real worry. Players becoming hypersensitive to the Coach's long term plans for their development whilst setting their eyes on returning to their home town or ideal club of choice with better facilities.
The last thing we can do is appoint another coach who caters to the insecurities of today's players, that is why we have welfare managers. Leppa, Lethal & Swann are setting a new standard that this club hasn't had since the glory days.
The player in question who I shared the conversation with is currently at GWS, let's call him Joel P, no that's too obvious, J Patfull. Before Lambert came up to begin his tenure, he had a two hour meeting with Joel to discuss the current issues at the club and what he needs to change, hopefully this is a positive start.
However, Joel told me this right before his Bali trip with Zac O'Brien where he would break his clavicle 24 hours later riding a scooter. Maybe my immense respect for this player went down a couple of notches that night.
I strongly believe in Leppa's ability to change the culture of this club. If player's don't want to buy in, they can f*ck off or even worse, play NEAFL every week. Zac O'Brien is a true testament to this. He crossed the line with two of our coaches and as a result, won our Reserves B&F followed by being delisted, talk about a double whammy to end your time at a struggling club.
This Gen Y playing group across the AFL is the real worry. Players becoming hypersensitive to the Coach's long term plans for their development whilst setting their eyes on returning to their home town or ideal club of choice with better facilities.
The last thing we can do is appoint another coach who caters to the insecurities of today's players, that is why we have welfare managers. Leppa, Lethal & Swann are setting a new standard that this club hasn't had since the glory days.
The player in question who I shared the conversation with is currently at GWS, let's call him Joel P, no that's too obvious, J Patfull. Before Lambert came up to begin his tenure, he had a two hour meeting with Joel to discuss the current issues at the club and what he needs to change, hopefully this is a positive start.
However, Joel told me this right before his Bali trip with Zac O'Brien where he would break his clavicle 24 hours later riding a scooter. Maybe my immense respect for this player went down a couple of notches that night.
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FWIW, blaming ZOB or in any way or implicating him in coach disharmony talk is totally bizzare, IMHO. ZOB got the boot because, patently, he wasn't good enough.
Not because he s**tstirred- which he didn't anyway, on the evidence. Provocative yes- disobedient yes. Requiring a physical response- no.
Try grabbing an employee by the throat, an employee from an area not in your immediate area of responsibility, at work and fairly obviously with witnesses, and see how far your career progresses. Not far in this day and age. I must admit this incident had me thinking about whether Leppa met the skills set. Iceberg- are we seeing only 1/10th?
Someone made reference to Barrassi and his interpersonal coaching "techniques". Barrass wouldn't last 5 minutes today. Try telling any player today how to cut his hair.
One last thing- a coach physically confronting a highly trained, fit young bloke invites a direct response. If ZOB had retaliated this wouldn't have been a one-day wonder.
Not because he s**tstirred- which he didn't anyway, on the evidence. Provocative yes- disobedient yes. Requiring a physical response- no.
Try grabbing an employee by the throat, an employee from an area not in your immediate area of responsibility, at work and fairly obviously with witnesses, and see how far your career progresses. Not far in this day and age. I must admit this incident had me thinking about whether Leppa met the skills set. Iceberg- are we seeing only 1/10th?
Someone made reference to Barrassi and his interpersonal coaching "techniques". Barrass wouldn't last 5 minutes today. Try telling any player today how to cut his hair.
One last thing- a coach physically confronting a highly trained, fit young bloke invites a direct response. If ZOB had retaliated this wouldn't have been a one-day wonder.
I find it strange how people compare normal careers to footy
lukiuslion
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Yeah I saw someone say he was 'sending a message' by getting rid of ZOB. Lol - if getting rid of ZOB had ANYTHING to do with the altercation, we are going to hell in a hand basket. I would Strongly suggest, for team morale and Leppas reputation it would have absolutely nothing to do with revenge for the incident or showing the team how ruthless he is by sacking him, and would be only to do with his lack of elite footballing potential.
I'm in the camp that Leppa should get a two year extension but in my mind this is the season the excuses have to stop.
In the last couple of years we have been crippled by injury or a list that was so young it realistically could not keep with the rigors of a full season, that excuse no longer exists
In the last couple of years we have been crippled by injury or a list that was so young it realistically could not keep with the rigors of a full season, that excuse no longer exists
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Regardless of what Leppa did, ZOB still told Woewodin to F*ck Off and his die was cast from that day onward.
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Do you mind elaborating on exactly why the players are disengaged? Or what the issue with Leppa is
i think were reading too much into it, zac was never up to AFL standard he is at an age now where if he was going to make it he would be showing definite signs. sad but thats footy list management, its brutal. i am sure during the lions successful era there were plenty of frank open and honest sessions between coaches and players, and between players, and not all of them were best of mates i am sure. as long as the vast majority of players and staff have respect for leppa everything should be fine.
