Coach Justin Longmuir

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Grape Bear said:
So was last year a fluke? We looked really good then. Now feels like a false dawn.
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We looked good for half the year. Our second half of the year we were worked out and this year is just a continuation of that. Making finals can often paper over cracks and cause much delusion.

Go back through our games in the second half of last year. We beat Melbourne, which raised a lot of eyebrows. Brisbane was the next week and it was a decent win (fuelled by a fluke Banfield game), but after that we were comprehensively outplayed by all the good teams. We also struggled to beat Hawthorn, Port, GWS, even the Eagles game was hard work for a while. The Dogs have one of the most inept defensive structures and no coincidence they were the only half decent team we could beat.

Now the good teams from last year are still pretty good for the most part, and other teams like Saints, North and Adelaide have gotten better. Leaves us looking like a bottom 4 side. The off-season has been atrocious from the club, both coaching and list management. They haven't identified where we were at and completely misread the situation. Needs a clean out starting with Longmuir and Bell.
 
Listening to his press conference - he’s such a nuffy. ‘It all starts with the contest’ yeah no s*** then why did you drop out number 1 contest player (brodie) and replace him with…? Why does Henry get minutes?

Anyway it’s very obvious that our midfield bar Serong in the last two weeks is bottom 4 atm. So what’s the fix? Unfortunately it’s likely years off but at a minimum Erasmus, Johnson and Nod need minutes inside. Sad that it falls on those with no experience.
 

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Alfonz said:
We looked good for half the year. Our second half of the year we were worked out and this year is just a continuation of that. Making finals can often paper over cracks and cause much delusion.

Go back through our games in the second half of last year. We beat Melbourne, which raised a lot of eyebrows. Brisbane was the next week and it was a decent win (fuelled by a fluke Banfield game), but after that we were comprehensively outplayed by all the good teams. We also struggled to beat Hawthorn, Port, GWS, even the Eagles game was hard work for a while. The Dogs have one of the most inept defensive structures and no coincidence they were the only half decent team we could beat.

Now the good teams from last year are still pretty good for the most part, and other teams like Saints, North and Adelaide have gotten better. Leaves us looking like a bottom 4 side. The off-season has been atrocious from the club, both coaching and list management. They haven't identified where we were at and completely misread the situation. Needs a clean out starting with Longmuir and Bell.
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Agree with the analysis generally, good stuff.

I'm not so sure I'd jump to "clean out" stage, but it is pretty clear the comp has worked out the game plan.
Every team we play now seems to do two things:

  • surrender heaps of centre bounce tap outs and instead focus on winning the contest once the ball comes to ground; and
  • absolutely flood our forward 50.

We seem to lack the sharp, decisive ball movements that got us out the back and over the defensive lines in the first half of last year.
Which I first thought was us playing slower deliberately, but now I think is more a product of the other teams coming at us with layered defense - so we can't go over the top or switch as easily.

The ball is spending plenty of time in our forward 50, just lots of that time it is in the other mob's possession, not ours.

Were it not for the Eagles injuries we'd be 0-4, almost quarter of the season gone and we have had few injuries (apart from Fyfe) yet we are nowhere near convincing. I wonder how much Carr leaving has unsettled the coaching?
 
Feathercap said:
Listening to his press conference - he’s such a nuffy. ‘It all starts with the contest’ yeah no s*** then why did you drop out number 1 contest player (brodie) and replace him with…? Why does Henry get minutes?

Anyway it’s very obvious that our midfield bar Serong in the last two weeks is bottom 4 atm. So what’s the fix? Unfortunately it’s likely years off but at a minimum Erasmus, Johnson and Nod need minutes inside. Sad that it falls on those with no experience.
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Wtf has Corey done to the midfield?? Mundy out, JOM in and the rest another preseason yet gone backwards at 1,000,000 mph
 
se17enteen said:
JLo always talks about winning the contest and 50/50 ball. So why does he keep selecting Henry in the midfield?? Henry isn’t going to win you a contested possession or create pressure.


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It's mind boggling isn't it? People salivate over Switta because of the excitement he can produce, but he is tiny and gets monstered in physical situations. We also have Serong in there and Brayshaw is not particularly big. Aish and O'Meara are also at the small end of the scale for mids. We probably have the smallest midfield in the competition (WC one of the others without Yeo and lo and behold we could match it with them last week). I talked about the issues after the Adelaide pre-season game, how the coaches can't see it is astonishing.

My only explanation is that Bell (who no doubt has small-man syndrome) has a large say in team selection and influence over JL.
 
Alfonz said:
It's mind boggling isn't it? People salivate over Switta because of the excitement he can produce, but he is tiny and gets monstered in physical situations. We also have Serong in there and Brayshaw is not particularly big. Aish and O'Meara are also at the small end of the scale for mids. We probably have the smallest midfield in the competition (WC one of the others without Yeo and lo and behold we could match it with them last week). I talked about the issues after the Adelaide pre-season game, how the coaches can't see it is astonishing.

My only explanation is that Bell (who no doubt has small-man syndrome) has a large say in team selection and influence over JL.
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Totally agree we are small and get smashed. Erasmus and Johnson and NOD + 5kgs each give it a different look but that’s a while away yet.

Most concerning is what other options are there for short term - cupboard is bare. Already playing Hughes on a wing to mixed results. Jackson and Treacy might pinch in and out of of stoppage but not a long term solution. Young?
 
Alfonz said:
One major red flag are our kick outs. Every single one of them is a long bomb to a contest which we invariably lose once the ball hits the ground.
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Yeah and then I watch the opposition pick out an open player with ease when they kick out. It's probably some kind of reverse confirmation bias, but we never seem to get clean takeaways like the opposition do. I watch downfield during moments like that and I never see any movement.

I'd hate to be the guy taking kick-outs. Even when we've left a huge amount of space up the middle no-one leads into it to try exploit it. They literally just stand there on the wings next to their opponent.

Same as when we're sitting outside 50... no movement from the forwards at all. Even when I see gaping holes in the 50 no-one leads into them? Why the f**k are they so stagnant? Are our forwards the stupidest footballers in Australia or is it a coaching directive? I refuse to believe that's how the coaches want them to play, it makes no f**king sense.
 
estibador said:
Yeah and then I watch the opposition pick out an open player with ease when they kick out. It's probably some kind of reverse confirmation bias, but we never seem to get clean takeaways like the opposition do. I watch downfield during moments like that and I never see any movement.

I'd hate to be the guy taking kick-outs. Even when we've left a huge amount of space up the middle no-one leads into it to try exploit it. They literally just stand there on the wings next to their opponent.

Same as when we're sitting outside 50... no movement from the forwards at all. Even when I see gaping holes in the 50 no-one leads into them? Why the f**k are they so stagnant? Are our forwards the stupidest footballers in Australia or is it a coaching directive? I refuse to believe that's how the coaches want them to play, it makes no f**king sense.
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No other team in the league takes as many long kick outs as us. Most go the short chip up first and the second one long if they have to, because it opens up the game more and gets the ball further from goal. The long roost from kick out is the worst of all strategies
 
Grape Bear said:
I’m still scratching my head that we turfed an ultra-defensive coach and replaced him with another.
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It’s been so long since we’ve enjoyed exciting footy lmao. Apart from the odd spike here or there which is akin to a broken clock right twice a day etc
Claw your eyeballs out stuff for near on a decade now.
 
poshman said:
I remember Taylor saying this when he was hired and she was howled down.

Not only have we done that but we may have gone backwards coaching wise.
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Mate there was enough of us. Quite a lot actually, certainly weren't howled down.

The thing is this is somewhat reminiscent of how Collingwood played under Buckley. They just had players like De Goey, Elliot and Stephenson who could pull goals out of their arse.
 
Alfonz said:
It's mind boggling isn't it? People salivate over Switta because of the excitement he can produce, but he is tiny and gets monstered in physical situations. We also have Serong in there and Brayshaw is not particularly big. Aish and O'Meara are also at the small end of the scale for mids. We probably have the smallest midfield in the competition (WC one of the others without Yeo and lo and behold we could match it with them last week). I talked about the issues after the Adelaide pre-season game, how the coaches can't see it is astonishing.

My only explanation is that Bell (who no doubt has small-man syndrome) has a large say in team selection and influence over JL.
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This is what Mundy masked last year, as a big body he could go in and mix it up with big boys, win a clearance, and we’d be away.

Our midfield has the feel of the Connolly era of short people, when guys like Bell, Carr, Schammer and Hasleby would get outclassed by the midfields with ~190cm giants like Goodes and Judd.
 
Alfonz said:
It's mind boggling isn't it? People salivate over Switta because of the excitement he can produce, but he is tiny and gets monstered in physical situations. We also have Serong in there and Brayshaw is not particularly big. Aish and O'Meara are also at the small end of the scale for mids. We probably have the smallest midfield in the competition (WC one of the others without Yeo and lo and behold we could match it with them last week). I talked about the issues after the Adelaide pre-season game, how the coaches can't see it is astonishing.

My only explanation is that Bell (who no doubt has small-man syndrome) has a large say in team selection and influence over JL.
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Been saying it for ages, we have a team of short people who can’t tackle.
 
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