Coach Justin Longmuir

[Madas]

No because Johnson was worst on ground and his mistakes were piling up. Johnson had an absolutely terrible game and was struggling to mentally move on from his errors. The 50m penalty was poor and he's making a habit of losing his cool when things aren't working for him.

He's got incredible potential and I love watching him play when he's on, but he was absolutely terrible today.

The 50 was a joke
Poor umpiring
Should have been 50 to us
2 Blues in the protected zone

Johnson should have been smarter and pointed this out to the umpires before moving .

Further to this I don’t think he was that bad personally and our mids were holding up till that point so why would you take out our biggest mid when we are undersized as is ?

There was clearly a need to change out one of Freddy , Switta and Schultz because hey were all atrocious so why wouldn’t you give Worner or Henry a run in there .

Severely lacking in mid forward class
Luckily Jye Amiss is a gun , was the only enjoyable thing about my day ( Jackson is good to watch live as well)

 

[King Tenz]

There's a lot in the group, but I thought Walker was also a non factor today, what's happened to his attacking game? It's non existent at, seems to be jogging around at times. Reckon he should be dropped.

Should have been subbed out in the first quarter, one of the many who didn't show up ready to play.

 

[arsesmart]

Why did we sub Johnson? Wtf

Possibly because they wanted to move Aish into the centre and wanted Worner on the wing. Johnson had a fairly ordinary day. The other two most likely candidates were Frederick and Erasmus. Erasmus could use more minutes and Frederick was harder to shuffle things for.

 

[s_wd6]

It's like a broken record, is it players or coach?

TBH I thought we would struggle having Johnson and Erasmus both filling key roles in midfield and this turned out to be telling, both were if anything had negative overall influence on our performance, and you're just not going to win many games when two of your mids perform like that.

Add to that JOM being about 3/10, Brayshaw dropping away again, and the Carlton midfield really bringing the heat, it turned into the smashing it was.

It's easy to blame the coach, he's the figurehead and you don't have to put much rationale into it. What I watched today, I don't know, it's hard to tell exactly. I think they are all struggling due to weight of expectation and the whole team have dropped their bundle multiple times this season, which is most concerning.

There's too much doubt at this time whether it's JL or just an inexperienced list. He'll get next year and if the same happens again I can't see him going around again in 2025.

I can also see us starting to play good football in a year when we bridge the experience gap we've lost this off season.

I'd be making Serong captain next year too.

There's something about this team and expectations. Whoever the club pysch is he's not doing a very good job. Last year, no exepctations on us, no one expected us to make the eight, and they win 7 of their first 8 games. Flagmantle is everywhere, they get sucked in by expectations, and two awful losses in a row where we fail to score 50 points. No one expects them to win the next two games, and then they knock off Melbourne and Brisbane in consecutive weeks and everyone is on them again, and they're established as a top 4 side. And since that they come back after the bye and play very average, and have a very underwhelming end to the season.

This year heap of expectations, play like shit. Everyone's written them off then they win four in a row, one of the in form teams in the comp. Expected to push for finals, should win 4 of the next 5 games. Instead, they get inside their heads and have lost 4 of those 5 games. All of them should've been winnable with the form we had going into the bye.

It's an incredibly mentally weak team, and you could attribute to it being young players. But there's plenty of older guys like Cox, Pearce etc. who have also spoken about becoming insular after losses and poor individual performances. You just can't be leading the team like that if you're not strong enough mentally to ride out the highs and lows.

 

[benfica]

There's a lot in the group, but I thought Walker was also a non factor today, what's happened to his attacking game? It's non existent at, seems to be jogging around at times. Reckon he should be dropped.

I said the last 3 weeks drop walker and all I got was laugh emojis

 

[s_wd6]

I said the last 3 weeks drop walker and all I got was laugh emojis

You can say something 3 weeks ago that was wrong at the time and has since become true.

 

[mattis117]

The 50 was a joke
Poor umpiring
Should have been 50 to us
2 Blues in the protected zone

Johnson should have been smarter and pointed this out to the umpires before moving .

Further to this I don’t think he was that bad personally and our mids were holding up till that point so why would you take out our biggest mid when we are undersized as is ?

There was clearly a need to change out one of Freddy , Switta and Schultz because hey were all atrocious so why wouldn’t you give Worner or Henry a run in there .

Severely lacking in mid forward class
Luckily Jye Amiss is a gun , was the only enjoyable thing about my day ( Jackson is good to watch live as well)

It's certainly another point to make, we got absolutely destroyed by the umpires today. There was a clear 50 to Johnson not paid, they get a goal. The nearly goal for Shultz, they don't even pause, our players lose concentration for half a second and Carlton go end to end and score. A couple of 12 point plays that affected our morale.

There were a couple more shocking decisions, but these two had the greatest impact.

 

[mattis117]

You can say something 3 weeks ago that was wrong at the time and has since become true.

Yeah I second this haha. Definitely came true today.

 

[Madas]

It's certainly another point to make, we got absolutely destroyed by the umpires today. There was a clear 50 to Johnson not paid, they get a goal. The nearly goal for Shultz, they don't even pause, our players lose concentration for half a second and Carlton go end to end and score. A couple of 12 point plays that affected our morale.

There were a couple more shocking decisions, but these two had the greatest impact.

Absolutely and I just realised I was talking about the Johnson 50 when I replied to your other post . apologies, I’m so possession off I’m just ranting .

But yes , I’m not saying it would have changed the result but some of the umpire decisions in the first half were atrocious
One against Walters in front of me when we had a run on out of defence was confusing and hurt out momentum

 

[s_wd6]

It's certainly another point to make, we got absolutely destroyed by the umpires today. There was a clear 50 to Johnson not paid, they get a goal. The nearly goal for Shultz, they don't even pause, our players lose concentration for half a second and Carlton go end to end and score. A couple of 12 point plays that affected our morale.

There were a couple more shocking decisions, but these two had the greatest impact.

Again, mentally weak team going into their shells every time a decision doesn't go their way. Just like last week.

 

[freo1997]

Late 2011 vibes

Get a proven coach.

Dimma, Pyke or Chocco in that order.

 

[G Mus]

We play outdated footy

When we have the ball our primary goal is to firstly to make sure our defensive structures are in place

To borrow a soccer term we play the afl version of the first phase of “juego de posición”

It’s why we look good when we win it in the middle, this build up phase is complete from 6-6-6 and we can attack

This manifests in our robotic overlap handballs or lateral movement, we have areas of the ground and structures we want to force the other team in to, it’s mentally draining but looks great when it works

Modern footy now however is moving more to a basketball style of positionless, structureless constant state of transition play, break lines and outnumber

Unfortunately I fear even if we improve massively we will always be behind the curve and unable to compete at the top

We either need to fire JL or save him from himself and strip back almost everything worked on

 

[Freomaniac]

JLO will not lead Fremantle to the clubs first Premiership. Has already lost the players.

Peter Bell also has a lot to answer for and shouldn’t get a free pass. To many Freo people running the show, bring in people from a strong background of winning AFL premierships.

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I think the turning point was the trade period last season. Lobb , Acres, Meek, Tucker and Logue were all traded for very little. That's 5 experienced players alone.

Injuries to some other players compound the problems too.

Nathan Wilson, Travis coyler and Will Broadie can't even get a game in this side fully fit.

Wilson at worst should of filled Blake Acres spot on the wing.

We had stability in Ross Lyons finals era in 2012-15 as we kept our best 25 players. People hated it because we didn't play enough youth.


Again.... It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[E Shed]

We play outdated footy

When we have the ball our primary goal is to firstly to make sure our defensive structures are in place

To borrow a soccer term we play the afl version of the first phase of “juego de posición”

It’s why we look good when we win it in the middle, this build up phase is complete from 6-6-6 and we can attack

This manifests in our robotic overlap handballs or lateral movement, we have areas of the ground and structures we want to force the other team in to, it’s mentally draining but looks great when it works

Modern footy now however is moving more to a basketball style of positionless, structureless constant state of transition play, break lines and outnumber

Unfortunately I fear even if we improve massively we will always be behind the curve and unable to compete at the top

We either need to fire JL or save him from himself and strip back almost everything worked on

Very interesting explanation. Haven’t heard it explained like this before but makes complete sense & correlates to what we see onfield.

I think JL finally, completely lost me today when I realized for 2 years I’ve been waiting to see some sign that we’re working on developing ways to exit D50 from kickins but it finally hit home today. They either don’t know or don’t care. We have one play from the kick in. A bomb to the right side of the ground. That’s it. That’s our whole plan for a kick in.

None of our defenders pass the ball then keep running for a receive to try & draw the defense or get them to lose shape. Just kick it to the next contest up the line & fall back.

Thing is I’m sure I remember Clark, Walker, Young doing it in the past.
I remember Freddy receiving in defense & running with the ball.

What happened that we end up with 18 players who look like the last thing they want is to have the ball & run with it?

 

[poshman]

We play outdated footy

When we have the ball our primary goal is to firstly to make sure our defensive structures are in place

To borrow a soccer term we play the afl version of the first phase of “juego de posición”

It’s why we look good when we win it in the middle, this build up phase is complete from 6-6-6 and we can attack

This manifests in our robotic overlap handballs or lateral movement, we have areas of the ground and structures we want to force the other team in to, it’s mentally draining but looks great when it works

Modern footy now however is moving more to a basketball style of positionless, structureless constant state of transition play, break lines and outnumber

Unfortunately I fear even if we improve massively we will always be behind the curve and unable to compete at the top

We either need to fire JL or save him from himself and strip back almost everything worked on

Walker, Clark, Chappy (when fit) and Young could be absolute weapons off half back. Unfortunately we only see it when we are going all out for a win late in games.

I have always found it interesting how people here think our football is so much more attractive than it was under Ross. They are both defence first, Ross seems to have adjusted on his return tour.

 

[G Mus]

Walker, Clark, Chappy (when fit) and Young could be absolute weapons off half back. Unfortunately we only see it when we are going all out for a win late in games.

I have always found it interesting how people here think our football is so much more attractive than it was under Ross. They are both defence first, Ross seems to have adjusted on his return tour.

Yep, if we are out of time and are forced to abandon the set up, we have the cattle to attack that way - even if they aren’t used to doing it as it’s more “natural”

 

[DMan 11]

We play outdated footy

When we have the ball our primary goal is to firstly to make sure our defensive structures are in place

To borrow a soccer term we play the afl version of the first phase of “juego de posición”

It’s why we look good when we win it in the middle, this build up phase is complete from 6-6-6 and we can attack

This manifests in our robotic overlap handballs or lateral movement, we have areas of the ground and structures we want to force the other team in to, it’s mentally draining but looks great when it works

Modern footy now however is moving more to a basketball style of positionless, structureless constant state of transition play, break lines and outnumber

Unfortunately I fear even if we improve massively we will always be behind the curve and unable to compete at the top

We either need to fire JL or save him from himself and strip back almost everything worked on

Great post !
This rigidity in our style has been unpicked by the better teams.

I feel like we’re the last blockbuster video store on earth and the rest of the competition have already compiled kick-ass Spotify playlists


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[Vimal Anand]

What ever decision club take whether to retain JL or get another one, we are not going win anything even top 8 let alone flag, if we donot have good assistants. Chris scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

for us 2010, kirk for us 2013 to 2015, carr for 2022, mcrae, Kingsley for richmond etc. When these assistants left the very next season the respective team drop down

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[gungho]

Never one to do the ol Sack the coach, but geez, you do have to wonder......

• Are the players going at 100 percent? (they don't pressure the opposition ball carrier like they were earlier in the season.)
• Can you explain losing almost every first quarter of the last 23 games? Gotta be something mental going on there.
• Why do very attacking players have no/little flair anymore? Walker, Young, Clarke (to a lesser extent) Switta Freddy
• How can you absolutely dominate hitouts and be absolutely smashed in clearances?

Is there someone better that can steer this ship? Coz right now you don't seem to be getting enough out of the players JL. We still have some really handy talent on the list.

 

[Midnite65]

No because Johnson was worst on ground and his mistakes were piling up. Johnson had an absolutely terrible game and was struggling to mentally move on from his errors. The 50m penalty was poor and he's making a habit of losing his cool when things aren't working for him.

He's got incredible potential and I love watching him play when he's on, but he was absolutely terrible today.

No one was worse than Walker, he literally ran around like he was playing chasey all day

 

[Midnite65]

The 50 was a joke
Poor umpiring
Should have been 50 to us
2 Blues in the protected zone

Johnson should have been smarter and pointed this out to the umpires before moving .

Further to this I don’t think he was that bad personally and our mids were holding up till that point so why would you take out our biggest mid when we are undersized as is ?

There was clearly a need to change out one of Freddy , Switta and Schultz because hey were all atrocious so why wouldn’t you give Worner or Henry a run in there .

Severely lacking in mid forward class
Luckily Jye Amiss is a gun , was the only enjoyable thing about my day ( Jackson is good to watch live as well)

Havent watched Peel play this year but has Worner played wing or half back there?

 

[King Tenz]

Havent watched Peel play this year but has Worner played wing or half back there?

Half back all year pretty much.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Ports list is classes above ours, midfield of Wines, Boak, Butters, and Rosee etc. No comparieon We may have to accept the talent is just not there. Freo list management has always been a disgrace. I can't understand why Brodie, who was huge on our run last year hasn't been able to get a game. Now injured I believe. Josh Treacy is working hard and having a crack.
We are in big trouble, again.

Well if Brodie can’t get a game that is a coaching issue not a list management issue

 

[Freomaniac]

What ever decision club take whether to retain JL or get another one, we are not going win anything even top 8 let alone flag, if we donot have good assistants. Chris scott for us 2010, kirk for us 2013 to 2015, carr for 2022, mcrae, Kingsley for richmond etc. When these assistants left the very next season the respective team drop down

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Well, I hate to say this, we Could have the old boys club mentality back....

This time last season, We had Bell, Josh Carr and Justin Longmuir in important roles at the club.

All 3 are team mates in that 2005-7 Chris Connolly era.

This could be another phase though.

Who knows, we might have some of those players back in our 2012-15 finals era in Coaching or developing positions Like Matt De Boer, Tendai Mzungu or Clancee Pearce working in some capacity.

 

[King Tenz]

Well, I hate to say this, we Could have the old boys club mentality back....

This time last season, We had Bell, Josh Carr and Justin Longmuir in important roles at the club.

All 3 are team mates in that 2005-7 Chris Connolly era.

This could be another phase though.

Who knows, we might have some of those players back in our 2012-15 finals era in Coaching or developing positions Like Matt De Boer, Tendai Mzungu or Clancee Pearce working in some capacity.

Just on Josh Carr for a moment.

Everyone's pumping his tyres right now but I swear, when he was here, people were shitting on him regularly for his midfield coaching. Am I misremembering this or what? Didn't most of us want him gone?