Coach Justin Longmuir

[freo1997]

Neesham narrowly missed finals the year before his sacking.

Connolly made a Prelim the year before his sacking.

Harvey won a final a year before his sacking.

Lyon had a lucrative year left on his contract and was still sacked.

We can all admit Jlo is a nice guy and a Freo after the siren hero. But it’s also clear he’s a reactive tactician, low energy motivational speaker and a deer in headlights with the media. He would want to win at least 3 more games to have a chance to keep his gig. Bell on the other hand should be shown the door.

As another poster alluded to, we never expected the Harvey sacking and most weren’t happy about it. If Dimma, C Scott or Pyke are made available?? We put on the big boy pants and do the right thing.

He’s lost the players that’s obvious. As I mentioned tactically reactive and obviously lacks that pre game tenaciousness to motivate a strong start. Always watch, read the game, react, make changes and we play catch up. It sometimes works, like Bulldogs final last year but most the time since then it hasn’t. Won 7 since then.

We have Collingwood (which we’ll now blame on availability) Port, Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, Eagles and Hawks. We might win 2 of them and get to 9 wins. That’s not enough.

 

[Freomaniac]

Do you mind if I bookmark this and we check back at the end of the year? Kind of like a footy Bingo.

• Cox leaves
• Darcy leaves
• No young players developing Im already answering this as wrong - Amiss and Johnson.
• Walters leaves
• Fyfe leaves
• No salary space
• No finals 23-25
• drastic changes to coaching and management

How many do you think I'll score?

I have no issues of Bookmarking this. This is page 410 of this longmuir thread.

But to make a guess... I will think you will score 2 or 3.

at the end of the year, Walters and Fyfe is staying now.

I dont care about the other stuff. But No finals in 2023, 2024 and 2025 would upset me a lot.

 

[Dockeroo]

If we lose to the eagles I think he would be in real trouble. It’s not at all impossible that we could lose that game unfortunately

 

[Freomaniac]

Neesham narrowly missed finals the year before his sacking.

Connolly made a Prelim the year before his sacking.

Harvey won a final a year before his sacking.

Lyon had a lucrative year left on his contract and was still sacked.

We can all admit Jlo is a nice guy and a Freo after the siren hero. But it’s also clear he’s a reactive tactician, low energy motivational speaker and a deer in headlights with the media. He would want to win at least 3 more games to have a chance to keep his gig. Bell on the other hand should be shown the door.

As another poster alluded to, we never expected the Harvey sacking and most weren’t happy about it. If Dimma, C Scott or Pyke are made available?? We put on the big boy pants and do the right thing.

He’s lost the players that’s obvious. As I mentioned tactically reactive and obviously lacks that pre game tenaciousness to motivate a strong start. Always watch, read the game, react, make changes and we play catch up. It sometimes works, like Bulldogs final last year but most the time since then it hasn’t. Won 7 since then.

We have Collingwood (which we’ll now blame on availability) Port, Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, Eagles and Hawks. We might win 2 of them and get to 9 wins. That’s not enough.

That would of been good had Neesham Made finals with the dockers in 1997. Would of been slightly better on the finals record.

Connolly was out of contract at the end of 2007. He was done. Had we made finals every year from 2003-06, he would of got an extension.

Harvey had a year to go on his contract. He was sacked because a Better coach was Available.

Ross Lyon was sacked has he didnt get us into finals for 4 seasons in a row.

Justin Longmuir looks like Another Mark Harvey sadly.

 

[Truetiger]

If we lose to the eagles I think he would be in real trouble. It’s not at all impossible that we could lose that game unfortunately

Sorry to interrupt, let’s say that happens. Would you rather keep him til the end of the season, or replace going into Rd 23 for two games. Who should coach Freo.

 

[arsesmart]

Listening to Simon Garlick

Simon Garlick

Age

49

Ht

177cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

and some of the other media messaging, the club seems highly aware of the youthfulness of the playing group (ie the "second youngest group behind Hawthorn"). Garlick talked about the long-term benefits of the off-season just gone and painted the strategic picture of it being part of a push toward sustained success.

While a bit of the player movement that went on wasn't particularly of the club's choosing, I think the above suggests once they accepted it and secured Jackson, it was all integrated into a longer-term plan. Hence I don't think, despite any doomsday scenarios dreamed up here poking into reality, any real pressure will come on Longmuir's position until well into 2024.

 

[blue shark]

That would of been good had Neesham Made finals with the dockers in 1997. Would of been slightly better on the finals record.

Connolly was out of contract at the end of 2007. He was done. Had we made finals every year from 2003-06, he would of got an extension.

Harvey had a year to go on his contract. He was sacked because a Better coach was Available.

Ross Lyon was sacked has he didnt get us into finals for 4 seasons in a row.

Justin Longmuir looks like Another Mark Harvey sadly.

Mark was a very good player, assistant coach and realised we needed to go down
the rebuild path.
But Scott was the brains, and besides being very good at development, the call on
him by the club was a disgrace.
I don’t blame JLo it’s always our management, it’s always been this way.

 

[estibador]

But Scott was the brains, and besides being very good at development, the call on
him by the club was a disgrace.

What do you mean 'the call on him'?

 

[blue shark]

What do you mean 'the call on him'?

The club should of seen him as the
Successor to Harvey.
Instead they let him go with their blessing.
In just one year of leaving Freo, Mark was gone and the other a premiership coach.
That’s talent identification.

 

[freo1997]

Listening to Simon Garlick and some of the other media messaging, the club seems highly aware of the youthfulness of the playing group (ie the "second youngest group behind Hawthorn"). Garlick talked about the long-term benefits of the off-season just gone and painted the strategic picture of it being part of a push toward sustained success.

While a bit of the player movement that went on wasn't particularly of the club's choosing, I think the above suggests once they accepted it and secured Jackson, it was all integrated into a longer-term plan. Hence I don't think, despite any doomsday scenarios dreamed up here poking into reality, any real pressure will come on Longmuir's position until well into 2024.

Why get Jaegar then? Wagner as a mature ager. Tabs picked over Amiss early in the year.

They are in damage control and changing the narrative. Only a fool can’t see that.

 

[freo1997]

If we lose to the eagles I think he would be in real trouble. It’s not at all impossible that we could lose that game unfortunately

Such a low bar. Of course we’ll beat them.

 

[Bicco]

Listening to Simon Garlick and some of the other media messaging, the club seems highly aware of the youthfulness of the playing group (ie the "second youngest group behind Hawthorn"). Garlick talked about the long-term benefits of the off-season just gone and painted the strategic picture of it being part of a push toward sustained success.

While a bit of the player movement that went on wasn't particularly of the club's choosing, I think the above suggests once they accepted it and secured Jackson, it was all integrated into a longer-term plan. Hence I don't think, despite any doomsday scenarios dreamed up here poking into reality, any real pressure will come on Longmuir's position until well into 2024.

That’s all well and good, but the issue the club is ignoring is why, after 6 years of rebuild, are we the 2nd youngest club? Being young after 1,2,3 or maybe 4 years is fine. But it feels like the club wants to project the image that the rebuild is just beginning and that we shouldn’t be expecting any success in the near future. All this club can offer is hope, with smatterings of joy thrown in. How we got to be the 2nd youngest after 6 years is an obvious issue, but will never be addressed.

 

[arsesmart]

Why get Jaegar then? Wagner as a mature ager. Tabs picked over Amiss early in the year.

They are in damage control and changing the narrative. Only a fool can’t see that.

lol... When we get all het up we do tend to see things through all-or-nothing lenses. You can have a longer-term strategy and buffer against the damage in the shorter term with some added experience.

You can disagree with it all you like, I'm just describing what I see from a key figure like Garlick's messaging. There's not much disagreeing with the fact of how young a team we have been playing though.

 

[freo1997]

lol... When we get all het up we do tend to see things through all-or-nothing lenses. You can have a longer-term strategy and buffer against the damage in the shorter term with some added experience.

You can disagree with it all you like, I'm just describing what I see from a key figure like Garlick's messaging. There's not much disagreeing with the fact of how young a team we have been playing though.

Self inflicted. There was a way we could of kept Acres and Logue in the 23 and still play Erasmus/Johnson/Amiss.

It’s a balance act! Competent list management.

 

[arsesmart]

That’s all well and good, but the issue the club is ignoring is why, after 6 years of rebuild, are we the 2nd youngest club? Being young after 1,2,3 or maybe 4 years is fine. But it feels like the club wants to project the image that the rebuild is just beginning and that we shouldn’t be expecting any success in the near future. All this club can offer is hope, with smatterings of joy thrown in. How we got to be the 2nd youngest after 6 years is an obvious issue, but will never be addressed.

I probably would have done it a little differently I guess, but likely in their scenario planning they would've been able to have the long-term planks being put down, with if the got this out of X and that out of Y the short term would've also come to the party more.

Going from '21 into '22 they likely had expectations of Jackson coming in and Lobb going out at the end of the year, with a few other collateral bits and pieces. It probably wasn't until closer to mid-year the likelihood that the collateral was going to include Acres and Logue. But from '22 into '23 their scenario planning at the best case level was to have the yoof brigade develop alongside more experience with the ideal level scenario of O'Meara hitting stride from the get-go, Fyfe bringing his weapons uninterrupted (forward mostly) and Taberner available too.

Adelaide is an interesting comparison. Both Nicks and Longmuir started the same year. Would you want their model or ours at this stage? In many ways, they're having our last year this year (in a less fruitful way so far). But have had a more intense rebuild and a lot less success in W/L.

 

[wakojako]

Listening to Simon Garlick and some of the other media messaging, the club seems highly aware of the youthfulness of the playing group (ie the "second youngest group behind Hawthorn"). Garlick talked about the long-term benefits of the off-season just gone and painted the strategic picture of it being part of a push toward sustained success.

While a bit of the player movement that went on wasn't particularly of the club's choosing, I think the above suggests once they accepted it and secured Jackson, it was all integrated into a longer-term plan. Hence I don't think, despite any doomsday scenarios dreamed up here poking into reality, any real pressure will come on Longmuir's position until well into 2024.

Yeah there is no way we can blame our trash gameplan and ball movement on youth. Such a tone deaf response but even if they thought JLo was the problem, they wouldn't ssy it publicly. Like the other user said, he is safe for another year so might as well surround him with quality assistants.

 

[arsesmart]

Yeah there is no way we can blame our trash gameplan and ball movement on youth. Such a tone deaf response but even if they thought JLo was the problem, they wouldn't ssy it publicly. Like the other user said, he is safe for another year so might as well surround him with quality assistants.

Dismissing the impact of age doesn't really sit too well with reality, but is a common causality trap that gets thrown around. The younger the team the less capable they will be of executing game plans on a consistent basis.

Do you think ball movement might not be aided by the more efficient decision making that comes with experience (even if it's done by youth surrounded by experienced heads) for example?

It's why pundits like David King or Hoyne from Champion Data are suspect analysts. They confuse or even preference outcomes/stats (often broad artificial categorisations) over the specific mechanics of what is happening.

 

[wakojako]

Imagine JLo delivering a spray like this:

 

[arsesmart]

Imagine JLo delivering a spray like this:

Or one like this

 

[Outshined]

The club should of seen him as the
Successor to Harvey.
Instead they let him go with their blessing.
In just one year of leaving Freo, Mark was gone and the other a premiership coach.
That’s talent identification.

It's incredibly difficult to see a scenario where the club would be able to keep Chris Scott and maintain integrity with the players/other coaching staff.

It's been a long time now, but some of the reactions on here when we axed Harvey for Lyon were apoplectic, and that was on the back of a terrible, injury-riddled season for a coach who'd just come off a 3 year stint featuring 2 grand final appearances.

No club is going to hold an assistant if they have a senior position available elsewhere, so the alternative would have been for Freo to fire Harvey after a season where we won a home final, for a so-far unproven Chris Scott. I'm all for being critical of the club's hierarchy because they've made some monumental **** ups over the past 30 years, but there's a fair bit of hindsight bias involved to see losing Chris Scott in 2010 as some huge missed opportunity.

 

[pK75]

That’s all well and good, but the issue the club is ignoring is why, after 6 years of rebuild, are we the 2nd youngest club? Being young after 1,2,3 or maybe 4 years is fine. But it feels like the club wants to project the image that the rebuild is just beginning and that we shouldn’t be expecting any success in the near future. All this club can offer is hope, with smatterings of joy thrown in. How we got to be the 2nd youngest after 6 years is an obvious issue, but will never be addressed.

We are in year 3-4 of the rebuild, it started when Lyon and Rosich were axed. Until then we were trading in Marquee players like Hogan and Lobb to push our existing list back into contention.
Neale leaving should have been the sign that we needed to sink capital into the draft, instead we blew that capital on Hogan and Lobb and only drafted Sturt. Once Brad Hill left they decided to attack the draft heavily, until then it had only been Bradshaw, Cerra, Logue and Sturt as first round picks. Young, Serong and Henry is the start of our rebuild in earnest, followed by Chappy and NOD, then Amiss, Erasmus and Johnson.
Bringing in Jackson and Clark means we have 12 players in a similar age bracket who are all 1st or second round picks that can grow together to form the nucleus of our push into contention.

 

[apuchar]

Self inflicted. There was a way we could of kept Acres and Logue in the 23 and still play Erasmus/Johnson/Amiss.

It’s a balance act! Competent list management.

So you thought we should have matched the money Nth paid Logue for a spare back and ring-in forward?

 

[freo1997]

So you thought we should have matched the money Nth paid Logue for a spare back and ring-in forward?

No of course not!!! We lowballed him earlier in the year when he wanted to sign. Do your homework.

We lowballed Acres when all he wanted was 400k for 3. We just have an injury riddled Fyfe 400k 2 years.

 

[apuchar]

No of course not!!! We lowballed him earlier in the year when he wanted to sign. Do your homework.

We lowballed Acres when all he wanted was 400k for 3. We just have an injury riddled Fyfe 400k 2 years.

We lowballed Logue early in the year because he wasn't playing well. We have every right to see what we are getting. Same with Henry. Acres was an error imo but it wouldn't have been as big an issue if Noddy hadn't of been injured.
Fyfe is a question mark. His lack of accountability in the middle has always been a problem for us. We already have a guy in there that just watches his man run out of the middle, so we can't have two in there. If fit he may be able to play highish hf but his lazy kicks off one step make me question that as well.
My comment was about Logue. He was too expensive for what he offered, when he finally showed something.

 

[arsesmart]

No of course not!!! We lowballed him earlier in the year when he wanted to sign. Do your homework.

We lowballed Acres when all he wanted was 400k for 3. We just have an injury riddled Fyfe 400k 2 years.

The talk was they offered Acres a low base figure, but incentivised contract. On Logue it was more around his uncertainty about where he fit in the team, after struggling to cement a spot in the backline (his preference) and North came calling with a pitch and a bag of cash.