Coach Justin Longmuir

[poshman]

Backing Jl.
The fact he got this list into semi finals, given the inexperience and age profile is crazy.
The list is overrated and over the pre season expectations were way too high.

Mundy, Acres, Lobb, Logue and Tucker leaving left a big hole- Fyfe was hailed the perfect full forward for Lobb- tbh that shows how ****ed and oh so wrong Bell underestimated the departure of these players.
Jackson isn’t a forward.

The forward line of Treacy, Amiss, Jackson haven’t even played 100 games all up. That’s a rebuilding line.

The midfield absolutely sucks. Too small, too one minded. The top teams gave players who not only are tall, but also fast, skilful and breaks the lines. Petracca can go forward and dominate. Bontempelli has domianted Fremantle time and time again. De Goey this week will absolutely leave the midfield for dust.

Fremantle have none of that.
Serong and Brayshaw have limitations. But to bring in JOM at 29, expecting him to be Mundy 2.0. Joke.

Fans needs to temper expectations. Finals 2024/25 and tilt at flag afterwards.

List management made a mistake - letting the experience leave all at once. Bell should be under pressure.

How do the bolded sentences add up to finals in the next two years?

I was criticised on here in the preseason when I said that Ports midfield was ahead of ours... I would like to know what the consensus is about where people rate our midfield now.

 

[freo1]

what do you mean 'top dog'? as in no1. ruck? bc darcy will remain that even with LJ, jackson isnt here for his rucking surely weve all figured that out by now

LJ was recruited as a bits and pieces player with no fixed address. No one knows what he is - forward, mid, ruck? His biggest problem he's ok in each position which is nice for flexbility and makes him a good player on his day, but he's hardly an outright star in any of these positions on their own. When he was fit and Fyfe was fit he has played plenty of ruck. he was dragged forward more in other games due to his injury and other's injury.

LJ takes ruck time away from Darcy when he's fully fit and Darcy i'm sure wouldnt enjoy that.

If he's not here for at least some of his rucking, i sure as hell hope he's not here as a full time KPF. He's not a natural KPF by any stretch. Amiss is your example of a natural KPF.

 

[Mags98]

LJ was recruited as a bits and pieces player with no fixed address. No one knows what he is - forward, mid, ruck? His biggest problem he's ok in each position which is nice for flexbility and makes him a good player on his day, but he's hardly an outright star in any of these positions on their own. When he was fit and Fyfe was fit he has played plenty of ruck. he was dragged forward more in other games due to his injury and other's injury.

LJ takes ruck time away from Darcy when he's fully fit and Darcy i'm sure wouldnt enjoy that.

If he's not here for at least some of his rucking, i sure as hell hope he's not here as a full time KPF. He's not a natural KPF by any stretch. Amiss is your example of a natural KPF.

yeah disagree with the entirety of this

certainly wasnt recruited as a bits and pieces whatever that means, and he is a star in all of those positions. weve already seen what hes capable of this year, hes a match winner.

do you expect darcy to play 100% game time in the ruck? darcy wouldnt enjoy that i can you tell you that much

 

[GingerDocker]

List management made a mistake - letting the experience leave all at once. Bell should be under pressure.

How do the bolded sentences add up to finals in the next two years?

I was criticised on here in the preseason when I said that Ports midfield was ahead of ours... I would like to know what the consensus is about where people rate our midfield now.

To be fair, you could say that receiving oral sex is a great thing, and still have people disagreeing with you on here.

 

[Mags98]

List management made a mistake - letting the experience leave all at once. Bell should be under pressure.

How do the bolded sentences add up to finals in the next two years?

I was criticised on here in the preseason when I said that Ports midfield was ahead of ours... I would like to know what the consensus is about where people rate our midfield now.

rozee and butters have made that jump this year and really carry that midfield hard. those are two unique talents, they are super direct with their possessions, dont really rack up a lot of it but have a load of impact. clearly our midfield isnt stacking up well this season, but i think we have the ingredients

obviously a mistake to lose experience, in terms of its impact on this year at least, but perhaps longer term it works for the best?

 

[Bicco]

obviously a mistake to lose experience, in terms of its impact on this year at least, but perhaps longer term it works for the best?

And going by the clubs track record over the last nearly 30 years, what do you think the odds are of this working out for the best? And by best I mean winning a flag.

 

[freo1]

yeah disagree with the entirety of this

certainly wasnt recruited as a bits and pieces whatever that means, and he is a star in all of those positions. weve already seen what hes capable of this year, hes a match winner.

do you expect darcy to play 100% game time in the ruck? darcy wouldnt enjoy that i can you tell you that much

No, we all know that the Ruckman always has a rest - but the risk here, is like what happens at Melbourne happens at freo. Jackson wasnt working as a Fwd at melbourne, so they were forced to shift Gawn forward and but LJ in the ruck - so they robbed themselves of their best ruckman. our risk is LJ has to play too much ruck time so we can get him into the game more. Then we're left with excess Darcy time.

Seeing as you dont understand what i mean about "bits and pieces" - you tell me what position he was recruited for? He's not a pure Ruck (too small), not a pure forward (hard hands, doesnt understand basic positioning), not a pure mid (not agile/quick enough). He doesnt fit a specific need which is my concern. Even the club has said they're trying to figure out what's best for him - so if the club doesnt know, then why do we have him? we gave away 2 first rounders for some pie in the sky potential? great!

 

[Swiggy]

I think offering Pyke a shitload of money to come over be an assistant is the right move, let JL focus on totally on the defensive side of things and let Pyke go to work on the offense

Bump

 

[Lach72]

Surely the likes of Chapman, Young, Jackson are earmarked for midfield. Young and Chapman are far too good to be playing defensively. Chapman and Johnson would be tall, classy silky bulls.

For the love of everything, Clark to the wing! Too bad if he’s liking half back, he’s the perfect winger. Absolutely stupid not to.

the reason I like them on the wing is Longmuir seems incapable of getting them to play the running backman role that guys like Saad plays

 

[Mags98]

No, we all know that the Ruckman always has a rest - but the risk here, is like what happens at Melbourne happens at freo. Jackson wasnt working as a Fwd at melbourne, so they were forced to shift Gawn forward and but LJ in the ruck - so they robbed themselves of their best ruckman. our risk is LJ has to play too much ruck time so we can get him into the game more. Then we're left with excess Darcy time.

Seeing as you dont understand what i mean about "bits and pieces" - you tell me what position he was recruited for? He's not a pure Ruck (too small), not a pure forward (hard hands, doesnt understand basic positioning), not a pure mid (not agile/quick enough). He doesnt fit a specific need which is my concern. Even the club has said they're trying to figure out what's best for him - so if the club doesnt know, then why do we have him? we gave away 2 first rounders for some pie in the sky potential? great!

fair enough if you just meant flexible by that and not something more dismissive, but i think he was recruited for a specific need. we dont have that forward attacking midfielder nor really big bodied midfielder, he fits those gloves and more. i dont think jackson being valuable and useful all over the park is a negative tbh

do you not see his value hes shown for us this year? obvs a quiet start and currently playing sore but our best footy coincided with LJ playing his best. he was impactful up forward kicking 2-3 goals a game, was impressive in the clinches as a mid with some quick hands, also an integral part of transition game where he was a big man target and is then able to move the ball with finesse unlike other big boys.

 

[freo1]

fair enough if you just meant flexible by that and not something more dismissive, but i think he was recruited for a specific need. we dont have that forward attacking midfielder nor really big bodied midfielder, he fits those gloves and more. i dont think jackson being valuable and useful all over the park is a negative tbh

do you not see his value hes shown for us this year? obvs a quiet start and currently playing sore but our best footy coincided with LJ playing his best. he was impactful up forward kicking 2-3 goals a game, was impressive in the clinches as a mid with some quick hands, also an integral part of transition game where he was a big man target and is then able to move the ball with finesse unlike other big boys.

I see his value, there's no denying his talent and "potential" but we paid way too much for him. 2 first rounders, plus losing the salary space to keep Logue and Acres plus the risk we created of potentially losing Darcy - that's way too big of a price to pay for him. You'd pay that for a top-line bonafied positional player, like Fyfe in his hey-day, not someone who the club doesnt even know where he fits.

the jury is still out - and whilst I see "potential" in him, i was dead against paying what we did for him. No one can answer yet if it was worth it. Time will tell, but right now whilst he's not performing (and injuries arent a good enough excuse) and the team is poo, we've every right to question these decisions the club made and how JL is using him.

 

[Mags98]

I see his value, there's no denying his talent and "potential" but we paid way too much for him. 2 first rounders, plus losing the salary space to keep Logue and Acres plus the risk we created of potentially losing Darcy - that's way too big of a price to pay for him. You'd pay that for a top-line bonafied positional player, like Fyfe in his hey-day, not someone who the club doesnt even know where he fits.

the jury is still out - and whilst I see "potential" in him, i was dead against paying what we did for him. No one can answer yet if it was worth it. Time will tell, but right now whilst he's not performing (and injuries arent a good enough excuse) and the team is poo, we've every right to question these decisions the club made and how JL is using him.

logue was offered a boat load we were always going to lose him imo and i dont think theres a risk in losing darcy but i guess time will tell

the price was what it was, probabyl overs with the 2nd, but every top 5 draftee is going for 2 firsts pretty much, JHF went for that as well unfortunately we stink this year so it makes the price harder to stomach, but i think in 6 years time wed pay it over and over

 

[Lach72]

Don’t really have an issue with the Jackson trade anymore.

he’s shown more than enough to be the least of our worries. He took a few weeks to settle, then started to perform exactly as we wanted. Dropped off when playing sore, so this whole injuries aren’t an excuse line you’re running Freo is bemusing

 

[Mags98]

And going by the clubs track record over the last nearly 30 years, what do you think the odds are of this working out for the best? And by best I mean winning a flag.

obviously our track record of winning flags could do with some work but im pretty happy with where the list is at, i understand that progress isnt linear and these young players need to get the experience eventually so i can somewhat stomach this season, still painful to watch the shit we dish up lately but bigger picture.

if next season we dont see improvement then im happy for changes to be made, JL across his tenure has made improvement pretty much every year and has shown what were capable of last year so im trying to stay optimistic

 

[freo1]

Don’t really have an issue with the Jackson trade anymore.

he’s shown more than enough to be the least of our worries. He took a few weeks to settle, then started to perform exactly as we wanted. Dropped off when playing sore, so this whole injuries aren’t an excuse line you’re running Freo is bemusing

call me old-school but if you cross the white line you're fit. you cant have a quiet game then say "im injured". You cant have it both ways. this is another failing on JL. if a player is that sore they cant contribute they shouldnt be played for a raft of reasons.

 

[Lach72]

call me old-school but if you cross the white line you're fit. you cant have a quiet game then say "im injured". You cant have it both ways. this is another failing on JL. if a player is that sore they cant contribute they shouldnt be played for a raft of reasons.

that’s a lovely thought but unrealistic…

they’re not robots

 

[freo1]

that’s a lovely thought but unrealistic…

they’re not robots

No but if you're playing that poorly because you're sore, it was obviously the wrong choice - put a fit player in. Maybe 1 week it's fair to make that mistake but any more and it's poor coaching to put a sore player on the park who cant contribute at least an average game.

 

[Lach72]

No but if you're playing that poorly because you're sore, it was obviously the wrong choice - put a fit player in. Maybe 1 week it's fair to make that mistake but any more and it's poor coaching to put a sore player on the park who cant contribute at least an average game.

not disagreeing about the coaching part, but that’s every coach in the league. They all do it.

As for the player, playing with an adductor issue does not allow the same movement. It’s simple really.


I would saythat as the season is ****ed, Jackson should not be playing in any way, shape or form. He should be pastured until fully fit, or next season, which ever is quickest.

Use the time to give Sebbit or Corbett a taste.

 

[mattis117]

call me old-school but if you cross the white line you're fit. you cant have a quiet game then say "im injured". You cant have it both ways. this is another failing on JL. if a player is that sore they cant contribute they shouldnt be played for a raft of reasons.

This is just dumb idealistic nonsense.

 

[mattis117]

No but if you're playing that poorly because you're sore, it was obviously the wrong choice - put a fit player in. Maybe 1 week it's fair to make that mistake but any more and it's poor coaching to put a sore player on the park who cant contribute at least an average game.

This is funny, because we:
1. Have posters that say players need to be tougher; and
2. Simultaneously have posters saying we should not play any player should there be any injury concern.

There is a serious lack of thought in your posts and it's kind of like you're shouting your frustrations at people instead of articulating considered thoughts.

You seem to live in this world where everything is certain and there is no grey area. There are players who have played injured and still been best on ground, and there are guys that have thought they were ok to play, but the injury flared up in the second quarter and could no longer contribute. There's no certainties in life. If player A is a gun and in your top 10 players, but has a minor injury, they will play that player over your 28th best, especially if it's a must win game.

Fyfe is the perfect example, he was flying all pre-season and his plantar fasciitis came right as the season was starting, resulting in an unexpected shocking performance in round 1.

We're approaching a scenario where thinking starts to change. Our chances of finals are basically cooked now, and thus selection should reflect this. This has literally only happened this week.

 

[freo1]

This is just dumb idealistic nonsense.

You write something like this yet say I dont put thought in my posts?

Everyone plays sore and with niggles which may lower their performance to a degree, but you can't play a bloke who's injured, then when he's well below standard in his performance use the excuse "he's injured". That my friend is "dumb idealistic nonsense".

Maybe for 1 week you can get by with this - but not multiple weeks. Making the same mistake but expecting a different outcome?

 

[freo1]

This is funny, because we:
1. Have posters that say players need to be tougher; and
2. Simultaneously have posters saying we should not play any player should there be any injury concern.

There is a serious lack of thought in your posts and it's kind of like you're shouting your frustrations at people instead of articulating considered thoughts.

You seem to live in this world where everything is certain and there is no grey area. There are players who have played injured and still been best on ground, and there are guys that have thought they were ok to play, but the injury flared up in the second quarter and could no longer contribute. There's no certainties in life. If player A is a gun and in your top 10 players, but has a minor injury, they will play that player over your 28th best, especially if it's a must win game.

Fyfe is the perfect example, he was flying all pre-season and his plantar fasciitis came right as the season was starting, resulting in an unexpected shocking performance in round 1.

We're approaching a scenario where thinking starts to change. Our chances of finals are basically cooked now, and thus selection should reflect this. This has literally only happened this week.

You're quite far from the mark with your interpretations. Freo as a club are horrible decision makers. A history dominated by failed years on and off the field will prove this as fact. I've been there since day 1 - membership, hanging over the rail cheering, always having hope, always believing we'll be better next year, always believing we'll improve. I believed what the club sold. i'm struggling hard now for any belief as are many seasoned, day 1 supporters.

28 years later - not much has changed. Even after the We lost in 2013 - I had Eagles supporters saying they'll win another before we do! and guess what? They did. Again they'll likely win another before we win our first. we're wonderful at shooting ourself in the foot.

As a supporter with experience and history - it's so simple to see we're making the same mistakes over and over again. The selection of injured players for successive weeks, offering successive poor performance is indicative of this. Also, your attempt to use Fyfe as an example here is so far off the mark. If you watched any pre-season games you'd have seen this.

 

[Freomaniac]

What about Nigel Lappin ? 6 premiership in total.3 as a player and 3 as an assistant coach.

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An outsider? it could work. Acutally, I think he only won 2 flags as an assistant coach. he arrived there after the cats 2009 win. So its 2011 and 2022 then.

Matt Spangher won a flag as a player in 2015 and is a cats coaching staff member in the cats 2022 side too. I dont how much that would help

 

[Vimal Anand]

An outsider? it could work. Acutally, I think he only won 2 flags as an assistant coach. he arrived there after the cats 2009 win. So its 2011 and 2022 then.

Matt Spangher won a flag as a player in 2015 and is a cats coaching staff member in the cats 2022 side too. I dont how much that would help

Website says lappin joined cats by the end of 2008 straight after retirement.

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[BringBackTheAnchor]

The simple fact is, unless we take a really large drop in form. Probably would have to lose the the Eagles. We wont sack JL till late 2024-25 at the earliest. So the best case scenario is this offseason we surround him with quality experienced assistants, who preferably bring attacking game styles with them.