Coach Justin Longmuir

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wild side said:
I think you need to step back a bit, as we were going nowhere with Lyon.
His gameplan was taxing on players, and more importantly taxing on supporters.
The corporate sales team were finding it hard selling boxes to Freo games.
Basically, its an entertainment business, and Freo haven't entertained for a long time.
It was time, and i think a young coach with a young group is the way to go
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you entertain by winning games. The WCE teams in 2007 when they were getting flogged dropped 10k from their attendances.

another example of the board thinking that money is more important than the team.

The crowd enables money which enables us to have better facilities and coach. We already have enough money.
 
Belnakor said:
it honestly blows my mind that Alcock would say that it didn't matter if we made the finals this year or not. ******* clueless.
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I so didnt get that either :(
Not in a position to extend beyond 2020...maybe Ross said he wouldnt??...
Imagine if next year we made the GF....would look like dicks if we didnt extend!!
Makes little sense to me....
 
Bastyy said:
Ashley Hansen at the Dogs is probably the next Teague-like quiet achiever. Doing the Level 4 coaching course and is head of the Dogs offensive systems.
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would be a decent pick seems like a smart guy, but i'm not sure about this level 4 coaching course, seems like a BS from the AFL. Everyone with half a brain knows a training course gives you 20% and 80% comes from experience and use. Bit like degrees really.
 

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kingswood71 said:
I so didnt get that either :(
Not in a position to extend beyond 2020...maybe Ross said he wouldnt??...
Imagine if next year we made the GF....would look like dicks if we didnt extend!!
Makes little sense to me....
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even if we weren't going to extend why not come up with a malthouse type transition? Lyon coaches 1 more year setting up a new coach.
 
Square Peg said:
What random opinions? I am basing on the observations of people, including my own, plus the empirical proof that the guy was an AFL assistant for the best part of 15 years and no one has given him a gig.
You come on here and say you have observed him coach and know he can coach AFL. I and others say the opposite, But you're right and we're not? Yours is empirical proof and ours is random opinion? Got it.
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All I’ve said is that the panel should interview him...I’ve not made a particular judgment on his ability as a senior coach at AFL level, and have posted multiple times that I’m not saying he is or should be the guy. The point I’m making is that if the panel is objectively reviewing a ‘wide net’ of options it makes sense to include him, particularly with his demonstrated success with the state squad.

Not sure what you are on about with empirical evidence, it’s a footy forum mate.
 
dockshark said:
I know he can coach. I have seen him in action. That in itself doesn’t make the case for him as in reality an AFL coach has to do much more than coach...

There is some super irrational posting going on in here, not only the anti Sumich vitriol, but the turning on the selection panel before they’ve even struck a blow, the turning on Bell, and Alcock. Media and WAFC conspiracies even!

Leadership of AFL clubs sure is a tough gig...
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You new around here?
 
salim malik said:
You accepted the random opinions on Lyon as proof .What's so hard to accept the opinions on Sumich.
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I did what? I didn’t want Lyon sacked, and I’m still not convinced it was the right thing to do. Why you are convinced that I had some kind of anti Lyon agenda I’ll never know. I didn’t and still don’t.
 
Belnakor said:
would be a decent pick seems like a smart guy, but i'm not sure about this level 4 coaching course, seems like a BS from the AFL. Everyone with half a brain knows a training course gives you 20% and 80% comes from experience and use. Bit like degrees really.
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Yeah there's definitely more too it than completing a course but it'll be interesting to judge the next lot of blokes who are coaching after the course compared to those who haven't (ie Rhyce Shaw)


As for what I could find regarding a list of level 4 coaches I found

Adam Kingsley
Matthew Nicks
John Barker
Brendan Bolton
Stuart Dew
Brett Montgomery
Peter Sumich
Robert Harvey
Simon Lloyd
Justin longmuir
Leigh Tudor
Steven King
Brendon Lade
Dean Solomon
Jade Rawlings
Scott Burns
Brett Kirk
Craig Jennings
David Teague
Blake Caracella (Didn't finish)
Simon Goodwin

From that group Bolton would be a bust but was the first ever graduate, Dew would be an interesting one considering he's a good coach with a crap team, Teague and Goodwin would probably be deemed successes in the short term
 
Bastyy said:
Yeah there's definitely more too it than completing a course but it'll be interesting to judge the next lot of blokes who are coaching after the course compared to those who haven't (ie Rhyce Shaw)

From that group Bolton would be a bust but was the first ever graduate, Dew would be an interesting one considering he's a good coach with a crap team, Teague and Goodwin would probably be deemed successes in the short term
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Dew is incredibly overrated. he has won 7 games in two seasons. Mckenna did only slightly worse.
 
Bastyy said:
Yeah there's definitely more too it than completing a course but it'll be interesting to judge the next lot of blokes who are coaching after the course compared to those who haven't (ie Rhyce Shaw)


As for what I could find regarding a list of level 4 coaches I found

Adam Kingsley
Matthew Nicks
John Barker
Brendan Bolton
Stuart Dew
Brett Montgomery
Peter Sumich
Robert Harvey
Simon Lloyd
Justin longmuir
Leigh Tudor
Steven King
Brendon Lade
Dean Solomon
Jade Rawlings
Scott Burns
Brett Kirk
Craig Jennings
David Teague
Blake Caracella (Didn't finish)
Simon Goodwin

From that group Bolton would be a bust but was the first ever graduate, Dew would be an interesting one considering he's a good coach with a crap team, Teague and Goodwin would probably be deemed successes in the short term
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I read Sumich has yet to finish his level 4 qual.
 
dockshark said:
All I’ve said is that the panel should interview him...I’ve not made a particular judgment on his ability as a senior coach at AFL level, and have posted multiple times that I’m not saying he is or should be the guy. The point I’m making is that if the panel is objectively reviewing a ‘wide net’ of options it makes sense to include him, particularly with his demonstrated success with the state squad.

Not sure what you are on about with empirical evidence, it’s a footy forum mate.
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You're hopeless, I made some basic throwaway line in response to some guy in here demanding evidence, you intervene and start claiming it's because I listen to random opinions and lack sense and objectivity.
Sumich is garbage and if he is the best this club can do we are goners
 

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Was always going to happen- We’ve got a clear run at everyone else though.

Happy said that I wouldn’t be surprised if Longmuir already has the job and we are just doing the ‘process’.

Sumich is linked to us but there’s too many red flags for me. Hasn’t been in the system for three years and seems like a second rate dinosaur from a previous generation of coaches. If he was any good and wanted it enough he’d be either at the eagles or over east. He doesn’t seem to want it enough for me either. The fact he’s an eagle is something I could overcome but he just seems so far away from the best candidate that I doubt the club would really be considering him.
 
pretty concerned about our ability to attract quality assistants during this period which I think is super crucial to how our next head coach fairs. it's just so hard to get people to relocate from Vic when the position is a side ways move and everyone has the same salary cap. almost need to look at the level below for some talentm.
 
ChimpaWompa said:
pretty concerned about our ability to attract quality assistants during this period which I think is super crucial to how our next head coach fairs. it's just so hard to get people to relocate from Vic when the position is a side ways move and everyone has the same salary cap. almost need to look at the level below for some talentm.
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Six clubs were knocking on the $9.5m football department soft cap.
 
ChimpaWompa said:
pretty concerned about our ability to attract quality assistants during this period which I think is super crucial to how our next head coach fairs. it's just so hard to get people to relocate from Vic when the position is a side ways move and everyone has the same salary cap. almost need to look at the level below for some talentm.
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Yep. Hard to see current AFL assistants moving across country to another assistant job. Maybe look at guys currently in the VFL coaching group. Micky Barlow is the midfield player/coach at Werribee and they just smashed Box Hill Hawks to go into their first final in 20 years. Or Choco Wiilliams who is Werribee senior coach.
 
Fat Nyfe said:
m.afl.com.au

Next off the bench: Senior coaches in waiting

Marc McGowan looks at the next crop of prospective senior coaches
m.afl.com.au m.afl.com.au

I wonder how many of these guys Bell has called. Has anyone heard of Matthew Nicks?
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interesting that they said Longmuir is 3-5 years away but didn't expand on why,
also interesting that Teague isn't on that list.
Also, Ben Rutten is very good looking wow i could get used to that in purple
 
Diverbelow said:
Yep. Hard to see current AFL assistants moving across country to another assistant job. Maybe look at guys currently in the VFL coaching group. Micky Barlow is the midfield player/coach at Werribee and they just smashed Box Hill Hawks to go into their first final in 20 years. Or Choco Wiilliams who is Werribee senior coach.
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Totally on board with that, he is the exact kind of personality that would make an impact.
 
dockshark said:
I think that is absolutely nonsense. You don’t seriously think that the club would invite someone to be part of the process if they were escorted out previously. He told me he resigned.
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I have no idea. But that is the urban legend.

And yes, with the media push for Sumich and the club pandering to it, I think they would include him in the process.

What he tells you is pretty irrelevant. I certainly wouldn't expect him to say that he leaked to the media and was given the chop.
 
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