Coach Justin Longmuir

[Belnakor]

I can't believe so many of the supporters who wanted him gone are now willing to give the new coach a honeymoon year... baffling. I am not confident we will find a coach as good as Ross. I hope it is not sumich. I also hope we bring in a good team around the new appointee.

No doubt they will regret it.

Freo will always be my club. Coaches and panels come and go. The reality is that there are only a few A grade coaches out there and they are contracted.

Freo sacked Lyon and are now trying to sift through the mud to find that diamond.

The chances of nailing this are slim.

The supporters that wanted him axed might recieve a reality check.

I never thought we should sack Lyon BUT if we did, we should have had someone else available and in mind. Not this cluster **** now where we had noone in mind, it was just "dur the media and WCE supporters didn't like Lyon"

We are literally back to square one on the coach.

Sacking Ross wasn't a risk - it was a gamble pure and simple. We could select a complete dud and we've then ruined Fyfe's peak and we'll be at the bottom half of the table for the foreseeable future until we "get lucky" and unearth another superstar.

 

[Belnakor]

I hung on to Connolly for way too long.

i didn't really rate Cuddles but he got a pretty tough sentence. We made the prelim and lost to a sydney team who were AFL HQ backed. 15 games later he is gone.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

No doubt they will regret it.



I never thought we should sack Lyon BUT if we did, we should have had someone else available and in mind. Not this cluster fu** now where we had noone in mind, it was just "dur the media and WCE supporters didn't like Lyon"

We are literally back to square one on the coach.

Sacking Ross wasn't a risk - it was a gamble pure and simple. We could select a complete dud and we've then ruined Fyfe's peak and we'll be at the bottom half of the table for the foreseeable future until we "get lucky" and unearth another superstar.

I agree

I just hope for my love of the club Bell and co nail this

 

[Quokka]

It would be great if the club stopped wasting time and money and
just appointed the most popular person for coach nominated from a list of AFL coaches on Big Footy.

We would probably have to do it annually, it should be fun.

We could run weekly polls and have the coach play - The Strategy of the Round Challenge!


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Play Cerra in the backline we take your dog.

 

[Belnakor]

I agree

I just hope for my love of the club Bell and co nail this

The panel is a complete joke. No coaching experience on it at all.

Alcock - out of his depth
Bell - Whiteant who will pick who he thinks will best benefit him.
Mann - Management consultant who used to play footy.
McPharlin - nice guy, not sure what else he has going for him.
Sue Murphy - didn't know the coach had to run a water network?

 

[Taylor]

We never had a problem with coaching though. We have one of the best coaching minds in the game contracted for next season that we just fired.

They want someone publicly palatable.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

The panel is a complete joke. No coaching experience on it at all.

Alcock - out of his depth
Bell - Whiteant who will pick who he thinks will best benefit him.
Mann - Management consultant who used to play footy.
McPharlin - nice guy, not sure what else he has going for him.
Sue Murphy - didn't know the coach had to run a water network?

I agree but not sure why Bell is a whiteant

This is not directed at you but don't understand why some people target Bell. Not sure what he has done wrong yet?

Sue Murphy... I know nothing about but she has never played or coached AFL so she shouldn't be making decisions. Just a women with too much influence and no street cred

 

[Belnakor]

We never had a problem with coaching though. We have one of the best coaching minds in the game contracted for next season that we just fired.

They want someone publicly palatable.

if thats the case we are wasting our ****ing time with this club tbh.

 

[Belnakor]

I agree but not sure why Bell is a whiteant

This is not directed at you but don't understand why some people target Bell. Not sure what he has done wrong yet?

Sue Murphy... I know nothing about but she has never played or coached AFL so she shouldn't be making decisions. Just a women with too much influence and no street cred

Bell has a track record of whiteanting based on when he was a player (he lead the players revolt against Connolly).

You don't think its a coincidence he arrives at the club and 12 months later we have sacked our coach and CEO?

 

[jedi mind tricks]

We never had a problem with coaching though. We have one of the best coaching minds in the game contracted for next season that we just fired.

They want someone publicly palatable.

Well that's just ****ed because wins drive success not good relations with 6pr.

Mind you that's just your theory

 

[Belnakor]

Well that's just f’ed because wins drive success not good relations with 6pr.

Mind you that's just your theory

its a pretty good theory considering we have been trending upwards for the last 2 years and the only pressure appeared to be from non Freo supporters + 6PR + Hardie + Hackdorn.

 

[wild side]

I think you need to step back a bit, as we were going nowhere with Lyon.
His gameplan was taxing on players, and more importantly taxing on supporters.
The corporate sales team were finding it hard selling boxes to Freo games.
Basically, its an entertainment business, and Freo haven't entertained for a long time.
It was time, and i think a young coach with a young group is the way to go

 

[malpaso]

We never had a problem with coaching though. We have one of the best coaching minds in the game contracted for next season that we just fired.

They want someone publicly palatable.

Pretty much sums up Dale Alcock's words at the presser on top of the fact they had decided this regardless of Lyon coaching in 2020 and those results.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Bell has a track record of whiteanting based on when he was a player (he lead the players revolt against Connolly).

You don't think its a coincidence he arrives at the club and 12 months later we have sacked our coach and CEO?

A good leader makes good decisions. If Bell didn't do that Freo would have struggled to make finals that year. Bell turned the club into the best performing in the second half of the season.

Bell is a natural leader and not a sheep nor a puppet. There's a difference

I remember Hardie still rubbishing Freo in some interviews. You can never win with him. He publicly stated that he hates Freo. I was there with him.

 

[malpaso]

I think you need to step back a bit, as we were going nowhere with Lyon.
His gameplan was taxing on players, and more importantly taxing on supporters.
The corporate sales team were finding it hard selling boxes to Freo games.
Basically, its an entertainment business, and Freo haven't entertained for a long time.
It was time, and i think a young coach with a young group is the way to go

I agree with you in parts. I think the better solution would have been to find an 'offensive' senior assistant on the coaching staff. Lyon's teams can dominate 65% of the field, it's that last 35% is what he needs fresh ideas with.

 

[Belnakor]

Pretty much sums up Dale Alcock's words at the presser on top of the fact they had decided this regardless of Lyon coaching in 2020 and those results.

it honestly blows my mind that Alcock would say that it didn't matter if we made the finals this year or not. ****ing clueless.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

its a pretty good theory considering we have been trending upwards for the last 2 years and the only pressure appeared to be from non Freo supporters + 6PR + Hardie + Hackdorn.

Yep it might be correct. Good media relations don't bring success so it's just buckling to pressure from a bunch of media muppets

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Some of us have been around for long enough to know that we need to have tolerance and patience to support Freo.
I recall being real dirty with Freo when Harvey was sacked and Lyon appointed.
But because I could see the logic behind it ... getting a proven AFL Senior Coach ...
I will be done. D O N E ... done!

I hear your view but can you give more content, substance.

For example, how do you know that Sumich is not a brilliant coach? I've been around long before Freo and AFL and pretty much it was a given that anyone passionately Fremantle (South and East) would come on board if ever the second team came into the AFL, and I did.

There seems to me plenty of potential evidence to make a case for Peter's coaching ability and success (have followed Peter's career from when he first played for South's). But it also seems to be the case that a 'personal block' is pre-existing most Freo supporters actually looking at and studying him and his coaching in terms of being "a coach for AFL".

Excuse my little bit of philosophy but have you ever seen/heard the stories of how a dog may attack another dog, and a whole lot of other dogs will come and join in and all gang up with the one dog mauling the other to death. What is bizarre is that the others who came along and joined in don't know why other than they made a choice to kill the one under attack.

 

[Scham]

This thread was getting boring but now it’s ****ing hilarious! Thanks for the laughs

 

[apuchar]

At least we know it won't be Brad Scott. We can cross one of the list.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I hear your view but can you give more content, substance.

For example, how do you know that Sumich is not a brilliant coach? I've been around long before Freo and AFL and pretty much it was a given that anyone passionately Fremantle (South and East) would come on board if ever the second team came into the AFL, and I did.

There seems to me plenty of potential evidence to make a case for Peter's coaching ability and success (have followed Peter's career from when he first played for South's). But it also seems to be the case that a 'personal block' is pre-existing most Freo supporters actually looking at and studying him and his coaching in terms of being "a coach for AFL".

Excuse my little bit of philosophy but have you ever seen/heard the stories of how a dog may attack another dog, and a whole lot of other dogs will come and join in and all gang up with the one dog mauling the other to death. What is bizarre is that the others who came along and joined in don't know why other than they made a choice to kill the one under attack.

The dogs attacked the Lyon too

 

[arsesmart]

Excuse my little bit of philosophy but have you ever seen/heard the stories of how a dog may attack another dog, and a whole lot of other dogs will come and join in and all gang up with the one dog mauling the other to death. What is bizarre is that the others who came along and joined in don't know why other than they made a choice to kill the one under attack.

Dogs might do that sort of thing because they're part of a pack, but I wouldn't necessarily go in their heads and say they don't know why they are doing it. (pretty sure most reasonably treated domesticated dogs wouldn't do that anyways).

Any which way, that's a straw man argument, a way of trying to try and characterise any points you don't agree with on Sumich's potential appointment as lacking reason or validity.

Sure Sumich might be a brilliant coach, but it's hard to believe he'd be a better candidate than everyone else on a widely compiled list of candidates. Given that and his baggage with Freo, it's hard to see what makes him a stand-out candidate.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

This thread was getting boring but now it’s ******* hilarious! Thanks for the laughs

get it back on track then....who would be our best other than J'Lo and Sumich and why. Has Solomon been contacted? Ratten likely St Kilda. Voss...has he done most of/completed the AFL caching course.

 

[theGav56]

Hogan is an a-grader when he is 100% fit, not much to do with the coaches, more the fitness/doctor.

Fair comment re Hogan, but we do need some specialist forward strategies, especially to develop some synergy amongst the taller options.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Dogs might do that sort of thing because they're part of a pack, but I wouldn't necessarily go in their heads and say they don't know why they are doing it. (pretty sure most reasonably treated domesticated dogs wouldn't do that anyways).

Any which way, that's a straw man argument, a way of trying to try and characterise any points you don't agree with on Sumich's potential appointment as lacking reason or validity.

Sure Sumich might be a brilliant coach, but it's hard to believe he'd be a better candidate than everyone else on a widely compiled list of candidates. Given that and his baggage with Freo, it's hard to see what makes him a stand-out candidate.

Nah not straw man, they were unrelated points and should probably not put them all on the one post. The deal was my question without motive.

I really don't know whether Sumich can or can't coach or is suitable....but plenty are saying he is not. I am asking for substance to that reasoning...surely thats reasonable.