USA Kamala Harris the 47th President of the United States - Hopefully.

[SBD Gonzalez]

All I said is that there are some black people who are not voting for Kamala, and that those people have their reasons.

Do you think that all black people should vote Democrat (Kamala, in this instance)?

Your question is overcomplicating the matter.

No-one should vote Trump, because he has shown himself time and again to be a cheat and a liar. So the question goes no further than his fundamental character.

Which is unfit for office.

 

[the_interloper]

People should vote for whoever they think will represent them best.

And unless you’re a rich white male that is clearly going to be Harris

There are plenty of conservatives in the US that don't fit that demographic, I'm fairly sure you're being naive here.

 

[Captivating]

Your question is overcomplicating the matter.

No-one should vote Trump, because he has shown himself time and again to be a cheat and a liar. So the question goes no further than his fundamental character.

Which is unfit for office.

Do we have proof yet that Kamala actually worked at McDonald's?

 

[GreyCrow]

Quite a few. More than just the people in that video. Several million.

Some estimates suggest that it will be just under a quarter of the black population that will not vote for Kamala. This article breaks down some of the statistics a little further.

I was interested to see that not 100% of black people are voting for Kamala and I wondered why. This video explains that there are some reasons why.

Do you think that all black Americans should vote Democrat (Kamala in this election)?

People should vote how they see fit

I am always curious/wary of videos that say '' many '' as if its a big number and when you get to the guts of it its 11 disenfranchised people who wouldnt vote anyway

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Do we have proof yet that Kamala actually worked at McDonald's?

Quite apart from the literally tens of thousands of documented Trump lies, has Harris ever refused to accept the result of an election she lost fair and square, and refused to commit to accepting the result of a current election?

No.

So which part of “Trump has shown himself to be a cheat” are you struggling with?

If he refuses to respect democracy, what’s he doing running in an election?

Get out of here.

 

[Gough]

There are plenty of conservatives in the US that don't fit that demographic, I'm fairly sure you're being naive here.

He'll crash the economy and his family and their mates will hoover up what's left over. He will literally govern for the 1% and for some reason you think that's a great idea.

 

[Magruder]

A hitler couldnt occur today because biological understanding has improved quite a bit since hitlers time. We know with certainty now that all races are largely the same in terms of intelligence, emotions and drives. I.e no candidate runs on the supreme genes argument anymore that led hitler to advocate for the mass genocide of races both domestic and foreign he considered genetically inferior.

However, hitler isnt the only type of facist and other types of facism can be almost just as evil.

While trump doesnt believe in racial superiority based on genes he does link culture to race and believes in cultural superiority of nations with predominantly white races as compared to the culture of nations with predominantly non white races. Thus his problem is not race in general but race of foreigners. His solution to this wont be gas chambers but I can see in the medium to long term his solution being mass deportation of non white foreigners and their families who are citizens. Which is absolutely disgusting and inhumane in itself even if it doesnt reach hitlers level.

Ps. Oh wait i was wrong. He aint implementing in the medium long term once he entrenches power. he plans on doing it on day one of his next term. He has already announced this wicked plan. Mentioned it at numerous rallies and interviews. This is the point any sane and moral person who has supported trump has to go ok i was wrong. This is actually pretty effing evil. Thoughts?

Fascism is about race per se, its denigration and vilification of the ‘other’. But this isn’t simply within the context of the ‘others’ alleged failings of character etc.

It’s a pretext and a cover for capture of the state and the dismantling/reshaping of its institutions.

It is a permission structure for narcissistic collusion. It allows grievances to be embodied in a crusader/hero/leader and for people to invest in the belief that He will put it right, that He is on their side. It is the most powerful of psychological fulcrums. One that is unrivalled in its religiosity.

Trump is a fascist.

 

[the_interloper]

He'll crash the economy and his family and their mates will hoover up what's left over. He will literally govern for the 1% and for some reason you think that's a great idea.

Ok that's great and all but my point was rich white men aren't the only ones voting for Trump.

 

[Gough]

Ok that's great and all but my point was rich white men aren't the only ones voting for Trump.

Agreed it's not just rich white men, it's stupid white men too.

 

[Magruder]

Fascism is about race per se, its denigration and vilification of the ‘other’. But this isn’t simply within the context of the ‘others’ alleged failings of character etc.

It’s a pretext and a cover for capture of the state and the dismantling/reshaping of its institutions.

It is a permission structure for narcissistic collusion. It allows grievances to be embodied in a crusader/hero/leader and for people to invest in the belief that He will put it right, that He is on their side. It is the most powerful of psychological fulcrums. One that is unrivalled in its religiosity.

Trump is a fascist.

Ok that's great and all but my point was rich white men aren't the only ones voting for Trump.

Geez, ever considered why people vote against their own interests?

 

[the_interloper]

Agreed it's not just rich white men, it's stupid white men too.

What about the hispanics and black people who are going to vote for Trump? And conversely of course not voting for Harris, what do you think of them?

 

[Gough]

What about the hispanics and black people who are going to vote for Trump? And conversely of course not voting for Harris, what do you think of them?

Stupid doesn't see race.

 

[the_interloper]

Stupid doesn't see race.

No dumb racists then?

 

[Captivating]

No.

That's all you needed to say.

It was a simple Yes / No answer.

 

[OneGreatClub]

What about the hispanics and black people who are going to vote for Trump? And conversely of course not voting for Harris, what do you think of them

They think Trump will look out for their needs, would be some misogyny too.
Of course he will only look out for his own needs.
They are also often low info voters.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Gough]

They think Trump will look out for their needs, would be some misogyny too.
Of course he will only look out for his own needs.
They are also often low info voters.

We're at the Trump can't be racist because it's not just white people voting for him stage of the debate.

 

[GreyCrow]

They are interesting stats and people closer to the action can comment but I wonder what % of Republicans are wedded to the Tuesday voting cycle v people choosing to vote early?

Spearman whats the shift in attitude over early v day voting?

 

[GreyCrow]

We're at the Trump can't be racist because it's not just white people voting for him stage of the debate.

Its like the tweet of cars going across a bridge in PR with Trump flags

'' see PR arent offended ''

 

[the_interloper]

We're at the Trump can't be racist because it's not just white people voting for him stage of the debate.

Do you think Trump is racist?

 

[Gough]

Do you think Trump is racist?

Without a single doubt.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That's all you needed to say.

It was a simple Yes / No answer.

If one electoral candidate has declared that they don't and won't respect the democratic wishes of the people, why is anybody discussing any other aspect of their candidacy?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What about the hispanics and black people who are going to vote for Trump? And conversely of course not voting for Harris, what do you think of them?

Given his long and shameless (one might even say proud) record of cheating and lying, if they're OK with that, they're OK with voting for a cheat and a liar.

If they're not OK with voting for a cheat and a liar, and yet they're still going to vote for them, one can only imagine they are extremely ignorant. Or closeted. Or deluded.

Call that "dumb" if it suits you; it's gone beyond the realm of normality if that is truly their circumstance.

 

[Blue1980]

For the record, I don't have a dog in this race. If I were a US citizen, I probably would've emigrated (to Perth, maybe) by now mainly because of all the gun violence and taxpayer money feeding the perpetual war machine rather than healthcare etc. I am an interested observer with a libertarian mindset (consenting adults do what you will provided you don't **** with the rights to safety and privacy of others).

I like to watch social trends and try to understand all the factors that lead to them and consider the implications.




Yes, mainly an observation...but the observation has factors that feed into it as well as interesting implications.




It's interesting that you both think that everyone should vote in the way you would...as in, you would presume to tell everyone who they should vote for. Put in other words, you are saying that anyone who would not vote for Kamala Harris and who is not Caucasian does not have the ability to reason for themselves (except rich self loathing assholes), and that all Caucasian people who would not vote for Kamala Harris are white supremacist, misogynists without the ability to reason for themselves (unless they are a rich arseh*le).

I concede that most people would want everyone to have the exact same political beliefs as they do, but if you think about that, where would the true diversity be if that worldview were to come to fruition? Would that not become a deafening and robotic echo chamber and lead to authoritarian control of the masses? The absence of at least one (but preferably, several viable) political counterpoints is dangerous because people make mistakes and so do groups of people. Even the Scandinavian countries have a range of political parties and political disagreements within the populace.

Anyway, this guy has an interesting take as a gay person. It seems not all gay people are voting Democrat either. Is he a self loathing moron? Or does it seem like he is considering things and coming to his own conclusions, even if they are disparate to your own? Maybe an ad hominem attack will be used, like "oh he is just another grifter." But to me, he seems genuine. And again, I do not necessarily endorse or agree with everything Amir here says, but it is at least interesting to me.

I agree unless you’re a billionaire there is no benefit voting for Trump.

People disagree with me and many will vote for Trump. I think they are wrong. It’s called having an opinion.

 

[Blue1980]

Well the common issue when someone says they prefer Trump over Kamala is they cant say why without resorting to Trump rhetoric. Its hard to not come to the conclusion they like Trump if there reasons are pure debunked garbage. The other conclusion I can make with no hesitation is that they condone sexual assault, racism and misogyny. Why did I come to that conclusion? because any other candidate in the history of the world in a western democracy would have been shredded by all as a disgrace and chased out of politics and into hiding. But not Trump? this is why he acts the way he does. He is enabled by deplorable people who dont give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Yep, also saying people are dumb voting for trump and against their best interests isn’t saying they aren’t allowed to have the opinion they do. That’s just BS right wing style framing.