USA Kamala Harris the 47th President of the United States - Hopefully.

[Crankyhawk]

Trump eventually moved on, so it's not like he stalled the whole country on the basis of that. That's as far as I can defend the guy who carried on like that. I am not a fan of Trump. I am not a fan of either clown in this race.

Wasting time thinking/overcomplicating? It's more a discussion of things that I find interesting.

But it is getting a bit frustrating now and pointless when I have to start arguing the merits of freedom of speech in this thread (not you in this instance by the way).

Free speech does not mean free from comment or consequences

But it is true that I do lean more authoritarian than most here.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Trump eventually moved on, so it's not like he stalled the whole country on the basis of that.

He did nothing of the sort. Did you miss “and has refused to commit to accepting losing this one if it comes to that”?

If it comes to the crunch, democracy is far more important than freedom of speech, and Trump has consistently refused to abide by the rules of democracy.

So he’s a cheat.

Free speech for cheats who refuse to abide by the rules that everyone else abides by? Gee, what a noble principle.

 

[Maggie5]

Trump eventually moved on,

Only two days ago, he said he should never have moved out of the WH.

He still hasn't accepted he lost.

 

[Crankyhawk]

He did nothing of the sort. Did you miss “and has refused to commit to accepting losing this one if it comes to that”?

If it comes to the crunch, democracy is far more important than freedom of speech, and Trump has consistently refused to abide by the rules of democracy.

So he’s a cheat.

Free speech for cheats who refuse to abide by the rules that everyone else abides by? Gee, what a noble principle.

My read is he wants free speech for every crackpot conspiracy theory. And yes I know that originally Galileo was seen as a nutter by the authorities (the church) but eventually he gathered evidence (and the assessor changed from the biased church to people of science)

 

[Royces Hart]

Only two days ago, he said he should never have moved out of the WH.

He still hasn't accepted he lost.

I was kinda wishing he didn’t at the time, just to get the vision of his fat arse being dragged out of there.

 

[Bloods86]

He did nothing of the sort. Did you miss “and has refused to commit to accepting losing this one if it comes to that”?

If it comes to the crunch, democracy is far more important than freedom of speech, and Trump has consistently refused to abide by the rules of democracy.

So he’s a cheat.

Free speech for cheats who refuse to abide by the rules that everyone else abides by? Gee, what a noble principle.

Voting and having your vote counted is freedom of speech.

Trump is anti freedom of speech, no comparison to Democrats.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

My read is he wants free speech for every crackpot conspiracy theory. And yes I know that originally Galileo was seen as a nutter by the authorities (the church) but eventually he gathered evidence (and the assessor changed from the biased church to people of science)

Another difference is that Galileo wasn’t a liar and a cheat.

 

[Not Important]

It clearly is. American culture has always placed an inordinate emphasis on belief, and now we’re starting to see how quickly things turn to shit when belief is given as much respect as truth and fact.

i’m with you. lies and half-truths have been part of politics for ages - more so in america. but no one has plumbed the depths like trump has in u.s. politics. there is nothing he won’t do or say if he deems it to be in his personal interest. his danger to the democratic process and to peace and harmony can’t be overstated.

 

[EagleShore]

He did nothing of the sort. Did you miss “and has refused to commit to accepting losing this one if it comes to that”?

If it comes to the crunch, democracy is far more important than freedom of speech, and Trump has consistently refused to abide by the rules of democracy.

So he’s a cheat.

Free speech for cheats who refuse to abide by the rules that everyone else abides by? Gee, what a noble principle.

Agree to disagree over the importance of freedom of speech.

Trump is a fool.

But censoring the information about Biden's corruption (the Hunter laptop saga) is also reprehensible.

Ignoring or even defending this while castigating Trump is, in my opinion, hypocritical.

 

[Bloods86]

Agree to disagree over the importance of freedom of speech.

Trump is a fool.

But censoring the information about Biden's corruption (the Hunter laptop saga) is also reprehensible.

Ignoring or even defending this while castigating Trump is, in my opinion, hypocritical.

Freedom of speech is vital, that's one of the many reasons why Trump is worse.

Democrats didn't censor the laptop story.

No-one is ignoring anything, except you ignoring facts.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

It clearly is. American culture has always placed an inordinate emphasis on belief, and now we’re starting to see how quickly things turn to shit when belief is given as much respect as truth and fact.

It's a remarkable Country , the best and worst of Western Culture.
But how informed is the general population?
Arguably a lot drink their own bathwater and are blissfully ignorant of what goes in in the rest of the world.

Perhaps a lot are also ignorant of what's going on in their own Country? At the very least they seem personality driven rather than issues based a lot of the time when it comes to Politics - that might partially explain their love of the Donald.
The other phenomenon is where they get their information from - if it's Cable News , Reality TV and the Internet they are truly ****ed................

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's a remarkable Country , the best and worst of Western Culture.
But how informed is the general population?
Arguably a lot drink their own bathwater and are blissfully ignorant of what goes in in the rest of the world.

Perhaps a lot are also ignorant of what's going on in their own Country? At the very least they seem personality driven rather than issues based a lot of the time when it comes to Politics - that might partially explain their love of the Donald.
The other phenomenon is where they get their information from - if it's Cable News , Reality TV and the Internet they are truly ****ed................

It's also a really really really big country. Third biggest in the world. (Admittedly by a long way.) So room for quite some diversity of life stories.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Texas Teen Suffering Miscarriage Dies Days After Baby Shower Due to Abortion Ban as Mom Begs Doctors to 'Do Something'

Nevaeh Crain, 18, died after three emergency room visits without proper medical care during a miscarriage. The teen was six months pregnant and doctors said they couldn’t intervene until confirming “fetal demise” due to the Texas abortion ban.

people.com

This election really is life and death for women. Absolutely horrific.