USA Kamala Harris the 47th President of the United States - Hopefully.

[Satan]

FIFO worker.

First in first out

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Not at all. I am actually laughing at all you people who insist on sticking ideologically with the Democratic party that has become the party doing the bidding of the corrupt establishment - and you have all failed to notice!

The attack on anyone who is not diverse in the way they like; the censorship of legal speech that they don't like; the open border during the bulk of Biden's Presidency, which disproportionately disadvantages low income US citizens insofar as it places an increased burden on social security, downward pressure on wages, and inflationary pressure on housing.

I am not engaging in a debate on who I back in this election because the whole US system is corrupt to the hilt, and I therefore have no dog in this clown show of a political debate. Trump is a Narcissistic businessman, but Kamala is pretending to be something that she is not...competent and genuine. She admitted that she cannot think of anything from Biden's Presidency that she would change.

Just think about this - YOU are vehemently supporting the party that has become the representation of the war mongering establishment that backs the military industrial complex, Wall St, and the revolving door between the FDA and large pharmaceutical companies for example.

Did you ever wonder why Dick Cheney backs your side? DICK CHENEY, FFS?

ALL of you would have been dead against this guy 20 years ago, and if you think he has changed his mindset on perpetual wars to fund his buddies at Halliburton et al., I have a bridge to sell you.


RFK Jr described this change quite well during his speech - again, this does not mean that I agree with every single thing he has ever uttered about vaccines or all other issues...just that he explains my point rather well (see how I have to make such caveats? This is because a significant proportion of you use ad hominem attacks in the process of delivering your arguments):






Tulsi would make a good President, better at least than Kamala and Trump, and she would probably actually beat Trump in any such primary or other election battle. She, like so many US citizens, including Kamala, is a Christian and talks about her God, and yes (cue the caveat), this differs from my perspective (though I am not without my own spirituality - I just call it consciousness rather than God per se). But I put this here to at least explain to you what has happened without you really being aware...that the bent of the political sides have at least partially, but significantly, switched over the past few years:


I draw your attention to 0:42 (for those who wish not to view the whole video)





And please, (cue another caveat), do not let this be misconstrued as an endorsement of The Young Turks (TYT) channel, but Chris from Modern Wisdom, with whom I have found myself agreeing over the past year or so on many issues, discusses some of the aspects of Democrat v Republican politics with Ana from TYT in relation to the changes of identity and character of people who seem to identify with one party or the other:

You've put a hell of a lot of effort into that post, but it's actually really simple.

Harris is pretty ordinary.

Trump is appalling.

So, who to vote for?

Gee, lemme think this one through....

 

[Spearman]

I think anyone referring to themselves as a patriot is a red flag instantly.

I mean I find it cringe and bad from politicians and public figures, but regular people it just seems like code for white nationalism.

People I have known who could be labeled patriots never even used the term as far as I can remember. Those in my family who served were either too young for WW1 or too old or young for WW2 or Korea, so no real combat.
Those I know have seen serious combat also never brought being a patriot or anything near self-promotion. Both I knew online for many years, one was special forces in Vietnam, did a lot of behind the lines patrols. Another was a Ranger in Afghanistan, who succumbed to injuries many months after being near a IED. They would be patriots in my book as they were both volunteers and very smart, sharp people.
Some uninformed fathead who thinks he's being a patriot for voting essentially with a critical thought is disgusting.

 

[IlovethePies]

I have a question for the moderators, and also seeking the opinions of non-moderators.

Do you have to want Harris to be elected to post on this thread?

What if you want neither Harris nor Trump to be elected? Are you still allowed to post?

I am so sick of being suspended for posting "irrelevantly".

 

[Blue1980]

I have a question for the moderators, and also seeking the opinions of non-moderators.

Do you have to want Harris to be elected to post on this thread?

What if you want neither Harris nor Trump to be elected? Are you still allowed to post?

I am so sick of being suspended for posting "irrelevantly".

You think the result of the election is irrelevant as it will lead to the demise of the US, capitalism at large and the workers will unite and take over (at some stage at some point).

It does seem odd you want to comment on an election which you think has no bearing on anything, like it shouldn’t even be on your radar as you have a bigger mission and quest in mind.

That’s my perspective. There are other threads you can talk about a worldwide socialist/communist revolution. But this isn’t the thread for it if you think both candidates are value neutral to that end.

 

[swingdog]

I have a question for the moderators, and also seeking the opinions of non-moderators.

Do you have to want Harris to be elected to post on this thread?

What if you want neither Harris nor Trump to be elected? Are you still allowed to post?

I am so sick of being suspended for posting "irrelevantly".

You can express your opinion but when you come on like that bloke at uni who stayed on way past the end of his Arts degree, then maybe your relevance gets called into question.

 

[IlovethePies]

You can express your opinion but when you come on like that bloke at uni who stayed on way past the end of his Arts degree, then maybe your relevance gets called into question.

I don't have an Arts degree.

 

[Present Not Past]

I have a question for the moderators, and also seeking the opinions of non-moderators.

Do you have to want Harris to be elected to post on this thread?

What if you want neither Harris nor Trump to be elected? Are you still allowed to post?

I am so sick of being suspended for posting "irrelevantly".

There's a place for everyone here.
You just have to find your special place.

 

[IlovethePies]

You think the result of the election is irrelevant as it will lead to the demise of the US, capitalism at large and the workers will unite and take over (at some stage at some point).

It does seem odd you want to comment on an election which you think has no bearing on anything, like it shouldn’t even be on your radar as you have a bigger mission and quest in mind.

That’s my perspective. There are other threads you can talk about a worldwide socialist/communist revolution. But this isn’t the thread for it if you think both candidates are value neutral to that end.

Well thankyou. That does illuminate for me the guiding principles here.
You have to believe that the result of this election will stabilise US conditions, or at least not comment about the future implications, in order to qualify for posting on that thread.

Hard to get one's head around the compartmentalisation here.

 

[IlovethePies]

There's a place for everyone here.
You just have to find your special place.

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GOAT?

 

[Present Not Past]

GOAT?

Goats have feelings too.
Just ask them.

 

[IlovethePies]

Goats have feelings too.
Just ask them.

No need to. You clearly can enlighten me.

 

[Present Not Past]

No need to. You clearly can enlighten me.

Just stop it

 

[IlovethePies]

You think the result of the election is irrelevant as it will lead to the demise of the US, capitalism at large and the workers will unite and take over (at some stage at some point).

It does seem odd you want to comment on an election which you think has no bearing on anything, like it shouldn’t even be on your radar as you have a bigger mission and quest in mind.

That’s my perspective. There are other threads you can talk about a worldwide socialist/communist revolution. But this isn’t the thread for it if you think both candidates are value neutral to that end.

...and finally, why do you think it is "odd" to want to comment on an election which is a turning point in history? I have made that point several times in my posts on that thread

 

[IlovethePies]

Just stop it

You raised it mate.

 

[Present Not Past]

You raised it mate.

 

[IlovethePies]

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You placed a photograph of a goat as some kind of "response" to me.
Then you are confused by a response from me that wonders wtf you mean?

Anyway, yes, let's stop before I get suspended again.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

...and finally, why do you think it is "odd" to want to comment on an election which is a turning point in history? I have made that point several times in my posts on that thread

Because the issues you raise are not new, and have being fermenting since 1776.

What is a turning point is Trump's determination to use US democracy - for all its manifold flaws - as a convenient back door entrance to overturning that same US democracy.

But you're onto the bigger big picture, so this thread about the contest for the election of the leader of the most powerful nation in the world is too narrow for you.

I enjoy your input and think you make great points, but you are clearly trying to shift debate beyond consideration of which candidate is best poised to lead America as it currently stands.

 

[IlovethePies]

Because the issues you raise are not new, and have being fermenting since 1776.

What is a turning point is Trump's determination to use US democracy - for all its manifold flaws - as a convenient back door entrance to overturning that same US democracy.

But you're onto the bigger big picture, so this thread about the contest for the election of the leader of the most powerful nation in the world is too narrow for you.

I enjoy your input and think you make great points, but you are clearly trying to shift debate beyond consideration of which candidate is best poised to lead America as it currently stands.

SBD, thanks for this post. I am trying to understand the framework here, about the limitations imposed by each thread.

However, I totally disagree with your first sentence. The issues I have raised have not been fermenting since 1776. The American Revolution against the British Empire was entirely progressive, and was a massive step forward for humanity, leading soon after to the French revolution.

Finally, I am just questioning how my posts were shifting the debate, if I think neither candidate is best poised to lead America.

Why do you have to think it is one or the other to qualify for posting on this thread?

Not asking you directly, just a rhetorical question.

Anyway, I think this is what is happening: my views are completely unknown to the BF platform, and do not fit into the straitjacket that is policed here.

Therefore, in doubt, they suspend me.

 

[Blue1980]

Well thankyou. That does illuminate for me the guiding principles here.
You have to believe that the result of this election will stabilise US conditions, or at least not comment about the future implications, in order to qualify for posting on that thread.

Hard to get one's head around the compartmentalisation here.

Well you are creating a strawman, as per usual. No one thinks a result in this election gets us out of the woods, you know this and once again just posting in bad faith and pretending to be a victim when called out.

The question is why do you actually care about this election when it means so little to you?

Be like posting endlessly in an AFL grand final thread that they don’t care over and over again, like what’s the point?

Of course you can post here; that isn’t my call to make one way or the other, I just don’t know why you do.

 

[Blue1980]

...and finally, why do you think it is "odd" to want to comment on an election which is a turning point in history? I have made that point several times in my posts on that thread

You think the result is irrelevant and it will be a turning point in history.

So the fact it’s occurring in and of itself is enough for you. Or are you more interested in the aftermath?

 

[Dazzler9]

I mean, just check the thread title? Not hard.

 

[IlovethePies]

Well you are creating a strawman, as per usual. No one thinks a result in this election gets us out of the woods, you know this and once again just posting in bad faith and pretending to be a victim when called out.

The question is why do you actually care about this election when it means so little to you?

Be like posting endlessly in an AFL grand final thread that they don’t care over and over again, like what’s the point?

Of course you can post here; that isn’t my call to make one way or the other, I just don’t know why you do.

But it cares immensely to me. That is what I don't get. The reason why I am posting is because this election is so massively important - a pivotal turning point, as I have said in many of my posts.

I care about this election far more than you would ever know. But even more so, I care about its aftermath.

So the problem is, I guess, one of interpretation.

I guess the moderators share similar views to you, and judge my posts accordingly.

 

[Blue1980]

But it cares immensely to me. That is what I don't get. The reason why I am posting is because this election is so massively important - a pivotal turning point, as I have said in many of my posts.

I care about this election far more than you would ever know. But even more so, I care about its aftermath.

So the problem is, I guess, one of interpretation.

I guess the moderators share similar views to you, and judge my posts accordingly.

Well as I said I don’t want to ban you, not that I have the power to or would request for you to be.

You care but think the result is irrelevant and think we are headed for the same path regardless of the result.

If Harris wins, I think the US is headed for a constitutional crisis and perhaps worse over the next 3 months which will have massive reverberations around the world. (This will be because Trump and his minions won’t accept losing). However if the Dems can get through that with the country in then maybe there is a fighting chance of getting things on the right path (this is the point where you feel there is no path here either)

If Trump wins; we will begin seeing the erosion of govt departments and democracy, it just depends how bad it will get and how quick.

So yes as a thought experiment; what are your imagined timelines for a Harris win and timelines for a trump win?

 

[Spearman]

Well as I said I don’t want to ban you, not that I have the power to or would request for you to be.

You care but think the result is irrelevant and think we are headed for the same path regardless of the result.

If Harris wins, I think the US is headed for a constitutional crisis and perhaps worse over the next 3 months which will have massive reverberations around the world. (This will be because Trump and his minions won’t accept losing). However if the Dems can get through that with the country in then maybe there is a fighting chance of getting things on the right path (this is the point where you feel there is no path here either)

If Trump wins; we will begin seeing the erosion of govt departments and democracy, it just depends how bad it will get and how quick.

So yes as a thought experiment; what are your imagined timelines for a Harris win and timelines for a trump win?

Yes, if it works out she does, then first start diluting the MAGA strain from politics and from mainstream society. THEN start to work on SCOTUS and the judiciary, and THEN on money in politics.
In the before times, that was my political bucket wish, get rid of McConnell and then Pelosi, and a few more; get some more progressive but pragmatic discussions and debates going on.
Also getting rid of Citizen's United was right after Pelosi.