Karmichael Hunt to play for GCFC?

[jonesy86]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

Was this based on the one kick they showed on the footy show? I thought he was kicking it on the outside of his foot to someone to his right.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

I know... its only been a two days and Im already sick of it

lol, so true.
Still reckon dump all the threads in a 'temporary' K.Hunt sub-board cos it's likely to be THE topic all thru his VFL season and then during the inaugural 2011 season. It's a pretty massive story/situation, will have legs for a couple years. Rather not see K.Hunt threads littered thru the main board tho for 3 years.

 

[db swannie]

Geez that Rugby League site is good for a laugh, what a bunch of sad cases they are.

Posted by Everlovin' Antichrist
Took me a while to get there too.

For years I would watch the odd AFL game on the box, even went to one in the 1980's. Live and let live I thought, they don't really do much harm. But a few years ago I realised what wasn't readily evident back then, not to everyone anyway, those pricks won't be satisfied until AFL is the only Winter sport in Australia. They want Rugby League and Rugby Union to die.

So I sat down and watched one single game of AFL with that thought in mind. I watched it and dissected it from the point of view of a Rugby League fan and it surprised me. Their game has nothing of interest. I hated it from that day on and from then I've just found more reasons to hate it.

I hate it, it's fans and everything it stands for. The lies about its beginnings, the way their stupid fans just accept the AFL handing premierships to teams because they want to drum up support somewhere, the way they manipulate the press, the arrogance of the whole code.

Hate is good and in this case, well-earned.

Fear eats the soul...or in his case, hate moreso, which is a bi-product of fear.

Weird thing is I don't hate league, I just find it boring to watch, but that's ok. And I grew up in the heartland of league (Sydney's western subs) and played it. But to hate AFL is to fear it, rather than simply turning away from it and watching league on channel 9. It is really quite an eye-opener to go and read League Unlimited, because it provides a snapshot of a type of paranoia that is otherwise buried and difficult to see in "mainstream" culture. Really weird, but fascinating at the same time...

 

[zero]

It's an interesting question because the AFL masterminded this in terms of the very GC17 set-up, ways of getting them exposure and generating crowds. And a likely blueprint then for WS18 (eg, Hayne).

I honestly can't imagine the actual established AR-region clubs would have genuinely considered poaching NRL's top players per se as a way to make their teams better. Cos it really is more of a gimmick, teams would trawl thru actual AR junior stars or Judd-like trades.

But like you say, teams would be remiss not to investigate it further now. With Slater, Folau, etc. But posters should see that they're all bound to fail to excel in crossing over, and that RL players would lose a lot of money and repute crossing over, failing, then returning to their code. 3-5 years in another code and they'd lose their spots, have to re-train again, and if they're already 28 by the time they make a comeback, there'd be hundreds of better stronger faster young guys as the marquee players in the NRL.

actually, now that i have thought about it, im not so sure it would be that easy, and in fact might be impossible, or at the least very risky.

the GC have an extra million in the salary cap for their first couple of years... this is basically a poaching fund! the only way they are going to legitimately nab some of the leagues best players to form a decent team is to pay more than their cost, both in picks and cash.

is someone like nick reiwoldt going to be got without two top 5 picks to the saints and 1.5 million for nick himself? this is the intention.

so in this environment the new GC side are uniquly placed to be able to offer an outside guy a very big salary. yes his salary wont be counted in the first year, and only in part in the second year, or whatever, but the fact is they have cap space to take a punt.

the idea seems to be that a poached player goes onto the rookie list and his salary doesent count to the TPP while he is there, but of course he cant play either. he stays there until he learns the skills of the game.

in a year he is elevated off midseason because of a long term injury, it still doesent count.

if he is elevated at the start of the year a percentage of his salary doesent count. when he starts the following year, his salary is then fully counted.

so in the end, if he is going to be a decent player, then his big salary will eventually count toward the cap. and that makes it difficult, because which side can afford a top salary for potentially average player?

say collingwood get inglis, pay him 600k (which is at least what would be required to get him across, if it included the marketing and PR income from being a collingwood player, which pushes it up to a million). now, in his first year, hes coming on well, but hes no superstar. so they elevate him at the first LTI and start playing him. hes going well, but still nothing special, so they elevate him at the end of the year and the following year 300k goes into the cap. hes still no superstar, but the following year they have the full 600k under the cap.... ouch.

of course if he never makes it his salary is never counted, so he can go back to league or union or whatever with 1.8 million of collingwoods money for zero games. once again, ouch.

or, he becomes a superstar, and the whole excercise is worthwhile.

im not sure how it could work for normal sides. i think the only club it could possibly work for is carlton, who have the ability to ignore the TPP and pay a player a decent wage outside the salary cap. if a club could pay a player 350k inside the cap and another 350k outside the cap with a visy job, then get endorsements on top of that, then its looking like being practical.

or, the AFL could change the rule to make it more practical...like say for the first 3 years after the poaching only 250k of their wage will count toward the TPP, and thats if they make it off the rookie list. in that case almost every rich club could have a poached player or two. it would probably mean that many league and union players would take a 3 year AFL stint just for the money, most would never make it and after 3 years go back to one of the rugby codes, and we as a sport would be funneling millions to league and union players

otherwise, its just too tough

 

[Exe Gesis]

zero...

I'd say the AFL itself would find a way/loophole to encourage and allow poaching of RL players. Like salary cap exemption of some sort. The AFL Commission, with a strategy of the long-term good of the AFL in the sporting landscape by 'dividing and conquering' other football codes they compete with.

There may be like some result where you see every AFL team carrying an NRL player or two, not guaranteed starters, but giving it a go for 3 years. But i really dont see the players themselves wanting to do that----go from being NRL stars earning top dollar, to struggling AFL state leaguers. Nor AFL clubs actually thinking NRL stars will make their teams better.

Any crossover sportsmen 'always' end up returning to their original sport they were best at.

 

[Silvagnis]

What happened to the AFL's code of conduct after the Didak and Cousins debacles?

The AFL are signing the cheques to bankroll the recruitment of an alleged sex offender.

Why didn't Demetriou invite Cousins and Didak over for a cup of tea?

The AFL are run by hookers...

Hunt sounds like a person of upstanding character.

Karmichael Hunt denies Origin reprimand

 

[db swannie]

zero...

I'd say the AFL itself would find a way/loophole to encourage and allow poaching of RL players. Like salary cap exemption of some sort. The AFL Commission, with a strategy of the long-term good of the AFL in the sporting landscape by 'dividing and conquering' other football codes they compete with.

There may be like some result where you see every AFL team carrying an NRL player or two, not guaranteed starters, but giving it a go for 3 years. But i really dont see the players themselves wanting to do that----go from being NRL stars earning top dollar, to struggling AFL state leaguers. Nor AFL clubs actually thinking NRL stars will make their teams better.

Any crossover sportsmen 'always' end up returning to their original sport they were best at.

Why say 'always' in quotations, if you actually mean 'usually', if that's what you're trying to say? Why not just say usually?

I don't see any great trend occuring to the point of each AFL team carrying NRL players, but I don't think we've seen the end of players from league switching. And if AFL players want to try their hand at league, then so be it. Can't see many who would be bothered. I know Eddie has thrown Rooke's name into the ring, which I'm sure Cats' fans would be sad about, but seriously I can't think of any player who would be suited to it?

 

[gostk86]

Why say 'always' in quotations, if you actually mean 'usually', if that's what you're trying to say? Why not just say usually?

I don't see any great trend occuring to the point of each AFL team carrying NRL players, but I don't think we've seen the end of players from league switching. And if AFL players want to try their hand at league, then so be it. Can't see many who would be bothered. I know Eddie has thrown Rooke's name into the ring, which I'm sure Cats' fans would be sad about, but seriously I can't think of any player who would be suited to it?

Buddy Franklin would be a awesome winger, jonathon brown would be a 2nd rower, Adam Goodes a winger/fullback

Rooke would make it as a Lock is say, similar to Dallas Johnson

 

[madmug]

Fear eats the soul...or in his case, hate moreso, which is a bi-product of fear.

Weird thing is I don't hate league, I just find it boring to watch, but that's ok. And I grew up in the heartland of league (Sydney's western subs) and played it. But to hate AFL is to fear it, rather than simply turning away from it and watching league on channel 9. It is really quite an eye-opener to go and read League Unlimited, because it provides a snapshot of a type of paranoia that is otherwise buried and difficult to see in "mainstream" culture. Really weird, but fascinating at the same time...

Yes inter code sniping is, although a bit of fun:, is silly really. Some AFL & thugby supporters are a bit paranoid. Although B&B in AFL mad (& deprived) Hobart, I have been to League & soccer matches on the big island. I enjoyed the experience. If I lived in MelSydBane I would go to see other codes on occassion. Sure, take the piss, but dont get bitter & nasty, except with Vlad who has sucked this footy island dry. (yes about that I am bitter & nasty!!!!)

 

[Exe Gesis]

I dont know why i did 'always'.

One thing I like about America's set up, where there's one dominant football code, is that all the best football athletes are in the one football code, and the code is immensely strong from little kids thru high school, college and then professional leagues. The money, participation, crowds, etc. Eg, the NCAA (college level) obliterates all australian football codes collectively in terms of crowds, money, infrastructure, etc.

The thing in Australia is that for 100 years so many of the greatest football athletes have been divided up into 3 main codes (union, AR, RL). And there's always been that curiosity factor how they all would be like playing various codes.

And, in the economic sense, how 3 or more main codes, with our small population, makes all three codes tenuous financially, clubs falling over, losing players internationally for the money (union/league), etc. In Canada, with the one american football code really main there, and the same population of 20mill that we have, financially their league is strong.

Anyway, just something i wouldnt mind seeing is just one code, or a merged code, so that all the best football athletes (union, league, AR) all played together, increased the talent and athletic levels, and therefore there'd be an incredibly strong football code financially nationally right thru from junior levels thru high school, college and pro-leagues.

Interestingly enough (imo) is that all the skillsets of RU, RL, AR, and the body types, would fit into Gridiron. As there are so many specialist roles/skills in the game that would see AR players being DBs and WRs, RL players being RBs and LBs, RU players being OL/DL players. I dream!

 

[zero]

zero...

I'd say the AFL itself would find a way/loophole to encourage and allow poaching of RL players. Like salary cap exemption of some sort. The AFL Commission, with a strategy of the long-term good of the AFL in the sporting landscape by 'dividing and conquering' other football codes they compete with.

There may be like some result where you see every AFL team carrying an NRL player or two, not guaranteed starters, but giving it a go for 3 years. But i really dont see the players themselves wanting to do that----go from being NRL stars earning top dollar, to struggling AFL state leaguers. Nor AFL clubs actually thinking NRL stars will make their teams better.

Any crossover sportsmen 'always' end up returning to their original sport they were best at.

well its hard to say, there are alot of reasons to move across, money being just one.... just look at hunt. he has sort of done his dash with league, he wasnt being offered any NRL contracts after the broncos withdrew their offer, and he wouldnt want to play against the broncos anyway. he doesent want to live in japan or france, he wants to stay in brisbane. so giving AFL a go is a good decision for him.

and you wouldnt necessarily be just going for the stars of the comp either, im sure there are players in the mid tier of union and league that could make fine AFL footballers. guys that maybe played when they were juniors and for whoom league is not panning out like they hoped.

and of course AFL clubs are always looking at ways to improve their list outside the draft and cap system. longer shots have been made on irish boys.

still, i cant see many of these sorts of things coming off. even if every club could pick up two NRL player outside the cap i daresay only a few would end up being good AFL players.

 

[Exe Gesis]

well its hard to say, there are alot of reasons to move across, money being just one.... just look at hunt. he has sort of done his dash with league, he wasnt being offered any NRL contracts after the broncos withdrew their offer, and he wouldnt want to play against the broncos anyway. he doesent want to live in japan or france, he wants to stay in brisbane. so giving AFL a go is a good decision for him.

The modern malaise of the professional athlete in Australia, can bounce from code to code looking for the money. A new challenge/thrill.

and you wouldnt necessarily be just going for the stars of the comp either, im sure there are players in the mid tier of union and league that could make fine AFL footballers. guys that maybe played when they were juniors and for whoom league is not panning out like they hoped.

Very good point. For every 1 NRL/AFL/RU star there are thousands of players with great potential who either suffered career injuries or are struggling to break into the elite level. And players who were multi-versed thru their teens playing various codes and chose one over the other. Especially in NSW/QLD where a lot of kids do play all four football codes at some stage, even excelled at a couple and had to choose one winter sport obviously. They could crossover with more success than established RL players.

still, i cant see many of these sorts of things coming off. even if every club could pick up two NRL player outside the cap i daresay only a few would end up being good AFL players.

Yeah, i agree with this. It's a very rare 1 percentile type thing, athletes who can play at an equally high standard in more than 1 code.

 

[Bomber Bears]

I actually prefer the pure footballers. I get sit of guys like Inglis and Folau, who are very good at league but if they'd decided early they wanted to play Aussie Rules or Yawnion or Basketball would've been brilliant at that. Too many robots playing League in particular, much prefer players like Andrew Johns, Robbie Farah etc who are real rugby league players.

 

[Sausages]

Is this true? Is Hunt exempt from the salary cap?

Yes, that is true - Hunt is exempt.

 

[zero]

Yes, that is true - Hunt is exempt.

this is NOT true. his salary is exempt while he remains on the rookie list. if he is elevated at the end of the year, part of his salary the following year is counted.

the year after elevation his entire salary comes under the cap.

 

[Sausages]

The first year he is outside the cap - he can also remain outside the cap in his second year if he is elevated as an injury replacement.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

half the eagles team cant kick yet they can play afl

 

[JuddyBuddy]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

Lol, there are gonna be like 20 Karmichael Hunt threads every day for 3 years.
Perhaps there should be a Karmichael Hunt sub-board!

At least we'll have a way of getting round the swear filter now - if you don't like something someone says, just call them a Karmicheal Hunt

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

Lol, that would work. Finally, some usefulness to all this after all.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

have you had a look at AFL lists? you would be lucky to find 2% of the listed players that can kick a footy these days

 

[Row Hound]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

Since when do you need to be able to kick to play AFL?

- Signed, Matthew Priddis

 

[krisholio14]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

His handball technique looked pretty good from what I saw on the telly last night, and that's the hardest thing to pick up for mine.

I seem to remember Jimmy Stynes took a few years to perfect his kicking technique with the oval ball and he ended up being a pretty handy player did he not?

 

[A Living God]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

Since when do you need to be able to kick to play AFL?

- Signed, Matthew Priddis

Seconded
Chad Fletcher
Mark Blake
Rowan Jones

 

[WindyHillWinners]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

The trend of signin up athletic people and not football players doesnt sit to well with me. Soon this will be the bloody NBA lol. There is alot of players champions of AFL who wouldnt make it even in todays game, let alone the game tommorow, how about greg williams? Room for a slow proky kind of guy in the middle? Not anymore but he has won a brownlow.

Another example is Plugger. Who would take a beefy bloke who can only play one position these days? Not many but the guy is greatest goal kicker of all time. There is a tradeoff for everything I guess...

 

[Edward Teach]

Re: Karmicheal Hunt playing AFL...give me a break!

The hardest thing in Aussies Rules is getting the ball and reading the play! All these people obsessed with athletic prowess - its bollocks. Amateur leagues are full of big strapping young blokes with strength, speed, power and all the Aussies Rules skills - trouble is they can't play! Cannot find the ball if it was kicked up their ass. campaigner will probably be the same. The ball is thrown backwards to him 90% of the time in RL! Takes the odd high mark - generally totally unopposed. He is a solid unit - but clearly looks like he bulks up on weight gainer to be that size. To be at a proper playing weight for AFL he will lose about 10kgs - making him naturally a SMALL player at 6'1" and 85kgs. If his skills are not up to it and he tries all the dodging bullshit they do in RL and can't bounce the ball it will be him that ends up being poll-axed all over the park.