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jaxbac#13 said:
No disrespect to Longwood Carrot, If Longwood don't pay players at all then that may be the reason that your town is already a ghost town. The points system would be no good to you guys anyway as you would not go close to filling your quota anyway. Perhaps you would be better off putting your energy into improving the standard at Longwood rather than dragging the rest of the league back to your standard ( Benalla and district ) , Keep in mind that we were the last teams to enter the KDFNL so if you don't like it try forming the BDFL again and be compeditive there..
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Sorry Jax .. I’m afraid you are not on my Christmas card list anymore.
If you wish to continue to achieve so called “professionalism” in District footy by raising the dollars I just ask why?
Why? .. Well I may also ask .. why is the advantage rule part of Aussie footy?
By the time your quote in Longwood’s room; after the VT had a percentage builder, may or may not achieve your Return on Investment we may not be around to be welcoming hosts.

I don’t have any knowledge of the quid at the Redlegs but I would suspect that Longwood pay a reasonable cost recompense to come to this great Club.
That is the issue .. What is a reasonable cost recompense. The fire drum rumour at Redlegs Stadium earlier in the year saw promise in a possible recruit and the story was that the negotiations started at five hundred. Wasn’t recruited natch .. but even if 50% wrong in the rumour one must be astounded!! And despairing for district footy.
Read up on the points system to understand its long-term effect mate.
Cheers
John Carrot
And I quote from the after game speech I referred to above ..

Violet Town President, xxxx, was magnanimous in his address in the Longwood room straight after the siren. “As you know we have a large invest of time and effort in that player list next door. But we were exactly in the same position as you guys 7 years ago.”
The quote is subtle with the emphasis on the word “invest”.
 
John Carrot said:
Sorry Jax .. I’m afraid you are not on my Christmas card list anymore.
If you wish to continue to achieve so called “professionalism” in District footy by raising the dollars I just ask why?
Why? .. Well I may also ask .. why is the advantage rule part of Aussie footy?
By the time your quote in Longwood’s room; after the VT had a percentage builder, may or may not achieve your Return on Investment we may not be around to be welcoming hosts.

I don’t have any knowledge of the quid at the Redlegs but I would suspect that Longwood pay a reasonable cost recompense to come to this great Club.
That is the issue .. What is a reasonable cost recompense. The fire drum rumour at Redlegs Stadium earlier in the year saw promise in a possible recruit and the story was that the negotiations started at five hundred. Wasn’t recruited natch .. but even if 50% wrong in the rumour one must be astounded!! And despairing for district footy.
Read up on the points system to understand its long-term effect mate.
Cheers
John Carrot
And I quote from the after game speech I referred to above ..

Violet Town President, xxxx, was magnanimous in his address in the Longwood room straight after the siren. “As you know we have a large invest of time and effort in that player list next door. But we were exactly in the same position as you guys 7 years ago.”
The quote is subtle with the emphasis on the word “invest”.
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We as a club "INVEST" alot of time and effort in building our football netball club to not only have the success the we are having at the moment but to secure the financial state of the club for many years to come. We have learnt to spend money in areas the will yield us money down the track such as a new built in coolroom and bar facilities, commercial kitchen, extention of the clubrooms,as well as new lighting on the netball courts and football ground. We have recieved all up $10,000 in grant money and local donations toward this with the rest being funded by the VTFNC itself (all up around $130,000). At our club every Thursday night we serve 150 home cooked meals in the rooms as well as we own 150 head of full beef cattle (roughly $75,000 worth that we own )which are agisted out to a heap of local farmers at no cost to us, rather than looking for just handouts we are working on ways to generate our own money.It is called being pro-active not re-active which l would like to think is the reason for the club being in a strong position at the moment, no doubt the wheel will turn for our club at some stage as it does for every club but and l quote " those that look back are wasting valuable time by not looking to the forward" . Perhaps you need to turn your head the other way and look forward rather than writing about what happened fifty years ago. Just my opinion. Shoot me down if you wish...
 

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Good opinion John Carrot...I enjoyed the perusal of your VCFL doc so much that I downloaded the full 144 page document to read through [yawn] . Interesting ideas! I agree with the point systems that are used in WA/SA now and some VCFL leagues. However the points system wouldn't have helped Glenrowan 14th v Greta 8th coming into that game. I do think a points system should be across all country vic leagues. Clubs will then be able to put more money into infrastructure and less to player payments. The only ones that will suffer from the point system in this region will be the players in towns like Shep that play their juniors for one team but then want to play seniors with another in the same town. I don't think it would be an issue in one club towns so bring it in!

It Maybe in another 20 years time or so and I know many people will be against it, but I think AFL Vic will restructure each region into one governed body of one league with multiple divisions. So this region may go from the current Goulburn Valley 12 teams, Murray 13 teams, Picola 16 teams and Kyabram 13 teams into a Goulburn Murray AFL league with 4-5 divisions of around 12 teams each. Within that structure they will imply a relegation system as mentioned a couple of times through that VCFL document to keep the leagues as even as possible. That will mean less volunteers needed to run each individual league, as is their worry that teams will struggle to be run, when the growth population is mainly retirees in towns along the Murray. At the rate of urban sprawl north of Melbourne, I can easily see that in 20 years time there would be enough population around Seymour/Broadford area to grow AFL and create more teams in the Goulburn Murray Region.....and nobody try and argue the travel issue with this sort of system....Echuca to Mansfield in the current GV is about the same travel time as Deniliquin to Seymour.
 
.....oh and this system could have saved Wunghu from extinction as they would have been affiliated with the Lowest division of a GM AFL league and not to have tried to get a clearance from a higher ranked league down to a lower ranked league and get knocked back.
 
How is Avenal travelling with there gun recruits going back to the club? Nevill Hately O'connor Lowis....abd the new recruit Lachie Mckenzie
 
Avenel are going quite well at the moment, they've remained in touch of the 5, without breaking through and I think that the game tomorrow against Murchison at home will be one that's winnable for the Swans because they like water more than Grasshoppers ;).

But seriously though, they are a good chance to cause an upset this round, because a wet day, bigger bodies at the ball, and a heavy ground could suit them more than us
 
Avenel vs Murchison, A potential danger game facing the Hoppers as they play Avenel at home on a frigid winter's afternoon, Avenel are ahead of Murchison on the ladder, but this would still be a big scalp for the Swans if they win, although the conditions will make for a scrappy game, I think that Murchison will just do enough to hold off Avenel and record a two goal win.

Girgarre host Rushworth, and whenever there would be a time for an upset for Gig, this could be it, a larger ground that's heavy under foot could play in Gig's favour so for that reason (plus I think they will beat a side above them before the seasons out), I think that they could cause an upset win against Rushy by 8 points.

Lancaster face Ardmona and the only saving grace for the bushcats is that they'll only get beaten by 30 goals instead of 40, even if Lancy have had a bad run of form of late.

Merrigum against Nagambie will likely see Nagambie coming back after thier loss against Violet Town last week with a win (but not by a large margin) against the Dogs.

Stanhope should easily account for Longwood at home discounting thier bad run of injuries and thier loss to Murchison last week.

And what could be a Grand Final preview sees Violet Town host Undera, although Undera are more than capable of beating Violet Town (and if it was at Undera, I would pick them ot win in an upset), but Violet Town at home, a few key players to come into the side (covering those really good players they've lost), and a very big function/reunion after the game should see them prevail by 15 points in what should be thier toughest opponent to date

Tally have the bye and good luck to all sides tomorrow
 
jaxbac#13 said:
We as a club "INVEST" alot of time and effort in building our football netball club to not only have the success the we are having at the moment but to secure the financial state of the club for many years to come. We have learnt to spend money in areas the will yield us money down the track such as a new built in coolroom and bar facilities, commercial kitchen, extention of the clubrooms,as well as new lighting on the netball courts and football ground. We have recieved all up $10,000 in grant money and local donations toward this with the rest being funded by the VTFNC itself (all up around $130,000). At our club every Thursday night we serve 150 home cooked meals in the rooms as well as we own 150 head of full beef cattle (roughly $75,000 worth that we own )which are agisted out to a heap of local farmers at no cost to us, rather than looking for just handouts we are working on ways to generate our own money.It is called being pro-active not re-active which l would like to think is the reason for the club being in a strong position at the moment, no doubt the wheel will turn for our club at some stage as it does for every club but and l quote " those that look back are wasting valuable time by not looking to the forward" . Perhaps you need to turn your head the other way and look forward rather than writing about what happened fifty years ago. Just my opinion. Shoot me down if you wish...
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Good points Jax .. truly.
Can I come back later with a small expansion .. On the post mate!! Not anything else!! It's too cold for a sixty one year old!!!
Cheers Cobber John Carrot.
ps: Sorry Jax .. but you are now back on my Christmas Card List!
 
Woody Woodman said:
Interesting to note that the "Points System" Sunraysia League embarrassed the cash addled Murray League in their recent VCFL encounter.
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I missed that Woody. Can you post the result details please .. including the ranking of both leagues. Tanx John Carrot. ps did you see the Herald Sun sports report that Tocumwal .. in a "major league". Are paying players $25 Seniors and $15 reserves to come to training!! "We are doing it so that these paid players increase their support off the field", said the quote. The final sentence in that Round 6 article said, "Despite the fact that Toc have an estimated $80k player payment bill for the year in a major league .. they are yet to win a game!!
pps: I travelled to Longwood training on a disgustingly cold and wet night tonight. Apart from the fire-drum crew I wanted to see the commitment called for after the Murch loss and those who would train in conditions most probable at Stanhope on Satd'y. Remember these guys are coming from Melbs without big bucks. I counted 12 in the sleet then heard a rumour round that famous fire drum that the twos might be weak arse on Satd'y. For the sake of playing a winter game .. I hope not. John Carrot
 
ROOTA#6 said:
I have said it many many many times, a points system is not the magical answer to an even and competitive competition and those who belive it is have not looked into it properly
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Mate .. the points system will, over time act as a salary cap. There is no way .. as has been proven, that a salary cap in country footy works. How Number 6? Study hard mate . I am Number 4!! Cheers John Carrot.
ps - By the time the points system has an effect in the years to come the Redlegs might not be there to be welcoming hosts. Have a look at some of the stuff that Tatsean has written above..
 

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John Carrot said:
Mate .. the points system will, over time act as a salary cap. There is no way .. as has been proven, that a salary cap in country footy works. How Number 6? Study hard mate . I am Number 4!! Cheers John Carrot.
ps - By the time the points system has an effect in the years to come the Redlegs might not be there to be welcoming hosts. Have a look at some of the stuff that Tatsean has written above..
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Mate, I play in a league that was one of the first in the state to introduce a points systm and I can tell you that it does nothing to even up competitions or curb big spending by clubs. If anything it encourages clubs to spen more money. I will say that it does help stop poaching of players from other clubs in the same league (a little) however clubs simply bring blokes in from further away and pay them huge coin
 
Some season changing results today.. Murch kept their finals hopes alive in a nail biter against avenel (good call by joe mama to suggest the hoppers may struggle..) merrigum will gather a lot of confidence with an upset win over flag fancy nagaz, appears as though undera's inaccuracy cost them against powerhouse VT & Rushy got over a determined gig outfit to hopefully kick their season back into gear. The win was made better by the fact last years best & fairest, Daniel Lambden, kicked 4 last qtr goals in his best performance of the year.

Oh yeh, and lancy kicked 15 last quarter goals to finish with an astronomical 52 (bad call by joe mama to suggest they'd only win by 30..), with 2 jagging ten goals & chiqaz eddy 9..
 
John Carrot said:
I missed that Woody. Can you post the result details please .. including the ranking of both leagues. Tanx John Carrot. ps did you see the Herald Sun sports report that Tocumwal .. in a "major league". Are paying players $25 Seniors and $15 reserves to come to training!! "We are doing it so that these paid players increase their support off the field", said the quote. The final sentence in that Round 6 article said, "Despite the fact that Toc have an estimated $80k player payment bill for the year in a major league .. they are yet to win a game!!
pps: I travelled to Longwood training on a disgustingly cold and wet night tonight. Apart from the fire-drum crew I wanted to see the commitment called for after the Murch loss and those who would train in conditions most probable at Stanhope on Satd'y. Remember these guys are coming from Melbs without big bucks. I counted 12 in the sleet then heard a rumour round that famous fire drum that the twos might be weak arse on Satd'y. For the sake of playing a winter game .. I hope not. John Carrot
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Stanhope & Longwood game must have been a bit lonely! One game of footy and three of netball. Now with a number of clubs struggling to fill their quota of teams, something different must be done as "if you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got!"

With a double bye and then Longwood and a forfeit by Avenel our 3rds haven't had much action.

Time for some solutions!
 
ROOTA#6 said:
Mate, I play in a league that was one of the first in the state to introduce a points systm and I can tell you that it does nothing to even up competitions or curb big spending by clubs. If anything it encourages clubs to spen more money. I will say that it does help stop poaching of players from other clubs in the same league (a little) however clubs simply bring blokes in from further away and pay them huge coin
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In Sunraysia a player recruited from within the league is worth 5 points. A player recruited from another major league (depending on games played) could be worth 4 points. The systems strong feature is that it encourages clubs to develop their junior players.The team on top in the seniors had 13 junior program products in the side this week . However they would be close to their point allocation with the remaining 8 players. And they would have to spending a careful quid to retain their locals. The big spending Mallee League (no points system lots of cash) are always on the prowl.
 
The Difference said:
How is Avenal travelling with there gun recruits going back to the club? Nevill Hately O'connor Lowis....abd the new recruit Lachie Mckenzie
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Gun recruits ??? Lachie Mckenzie has been very good, lovely long kick, quick and can play on all types of forwards, has really impressed me this year, Neville out on a wing and O'Connor up forward have been servicable. Hately has shown glimpses but is yet to really take control of a game in my opinion especially for a bloke of his size and obvious talent and Dunc has been real solid playing both up forward and down back, its great seeing him stay injury free.

I definietly think the club as a whole is on the improve which is excellent to see, its just dissapointing about the club having no thirds but hopefully we will get them back next year.
 
Joeyboy said:
Gun recruits ??? Lachie Mckenzie has been very good, lovely long kick, quick and can play on all types of forwards, has really impressed me this year, Neville out on a wing and O'Connor up forward have been servicable. Hately has shown glimpses but is yet to really take control of a game in my opinion especially for a bloke of his size and obvious talent and Dunc has been real solid playing both up forward and down back, its great seeing him stay injury free.

I definietly think the club as a whole is on the improve which is excellent to see, its just dissapointing about the club having no thirds but hopefully we will get them back next year.
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With deference to Jimi Hendrix .. classic “Hey Joe”

Hey joe,

Where you gonna run to now

where you gonna go..


(I was too busy behind the jump last time to discuss footy when Solly introduced us; when the Swans came “home” to Redlegs Stadium!!?)

Hey joe,
Where you gonna run to now .. where you gonna go

Bit threatening .. like Hendrix’s music, but the Avenel-Longwood merge of 1956; then Longwood leaving the nest in 1970, now perpetuates a great rivalry in the KDFL which generates great anticipation for next weekend.

I won’t be working the bar this time so I might catch you on the “forward press” of the bar!!

Looking forward to celebrating New Financial Year Eve on Satd’y June 30 with the Redlegs getting a win over my old mates from the Avenel Swans!! Catch you there
John Carrot.

p.s. With clearances closing as usual on Satd’y June30, I’ve heard a new expression (.. to me) become part of the vernacular. In some of the home games lately our 2012 recruits from Melb have brought along mates to suss things out about this great Club while they have had a bye.

Good blokes who joined in around the fire drum to enjoy the ambience and watch the game.

“How would you like to sign up?” was the question posed.

“Well”, was the reply, “if you guys can pay out my contract in Melbourne before June 30, then I’m here.
This place is just like my mates have told me.. fantastic!!”

Fair comment .. but alas, the Redlegs will have to work on what that “old mate” said for 2013 ..
But at least it is a tick for what Longwood represent ..eh?

Cheers
John Carrot
Ps Don’t go off about the points system of the above. Longwood have ALWAYS had to bring in players since the last century. Few footballers are now left from the town itself.
If all Clubs in the KDFL push the AFL to introduce this “player points” control stae-wide, then we all have to manage our goal to goal line and mid-field structures, before filling in the team sheet with our low pointers. (Shite can’t believe I used that latter jargon?
Obviously, I’ve been watching too many Pay TV AFL “anal why’s this” ..erm I mean AFL “analysis” Shows ..!!)
 
"Recent teams we've played against, like Stanhope and Girgarre, have had blokes I've never seen or heard of cutting us up through the midfield and winning uncontested possessions". Mmmmm, Wicksy's planning for games seems to be going well!
 
hank1 said:
"Recent teams we've played against, like Stanhope and Girgarre, have had blokes I've never seen or heard of cutting us up through the midfield and winning uncontested possessions". Mmmmm, Wicksy's planning for games seems to be going well!
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Was that in the shepp news or something Hank...? To be fair opposition analysis isn't his strong suit, but he'll have a much better idea this weekend (is that what he was eluding to in reference to the above quote..?), given lancy's prime movers will essentially be the same as last years GF.

Big 6 weeks for the tigers, with VT, tally, undera and tally still to come in that period. They're still in touch of the top 3 so hopefully they can get on a roll like last year.

And is it too easy to retort how many senior sides you've coached to a GF Hank..?
 
T.Perry said:
And is it too easy to retort how many senior sides you've coached to a GF Hank..?
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Haha, yeah that would be too easy, taking a major league side from 3rd last to winning a final in 12 months (with the same budget)is probably more of an achievement. Coaching a 3rds prem & champs wasn't too bad at 21 either.
Yes it was in the shepparton news and he said the same about Lancy. " I don't know if they have the same blokes playing(as in the GF), But I know they had some good players in the Grand Final"
 
hank1 said:
Haha, yeah that would be too easy, taking a major league side from 3rd last to winning a final in 12 months (with the same budget)is probably more of an achievement. Coaching a 3rds prem & champs wasn't too bad at 21 either.
Yes it was in the shepparton news and he said the same about Lancy. " I don't know if they have the same blokes playing(as in the GF), But I know they had some good players in the Grand Final"
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Yeh, it's ducks and drapes, really.. Hard to judge coaches, particularly at local level, but either way, Wicks quotes aren't fantastic..

The flag odds usually get a bit of banter going, so here they are:
VT - $1.60
Nagambie - $4.50
Undera - $7
Lancaster - $11
Rushy - $15
Murch - $17
Tally - $26
Stanhope - $41
Avenel - $101
Gig - $1,501
Merrigum - $2,001
Ardmona - $5,001
Longwood - $7,500,001

Nagambie have drifted a bit, punters obviously not sold on VT yet, think Lancy were about $1.20 at the same stage last year..
 
T.Perry said:
Yeh, it's ducks and drapes, really.. Hard to judge coaches, particularly at local level, but either way, Wicks quotes aren't fantastic..

The flag odds usually get a bit of banter going, so here they are:
VT - $1.60
Nagambie - $4.50
Undera - $7
Lancaster - $11
Rushy - $15
Murch - $17
Tally - $26
Stanhope - $41
Avenel - $101
Gig - $1,501
Merrigum - $2,001
Ardmona - $5,001
Longwood - $7,500,001

Nagambie have drifted a bit, punters obviously not sold on VT yet, think Lancy were about $1.20 at the same stage last year..
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Too true.

Violet town still home for me, some decent players missing with injury and still getting the job done.
 
hank1 said:
Too true.

Violet town still home for me, some decent players missing with injury and still getting the job done.
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Lancy will be adding 2 new players by all reports!! Shane sali has jumped ship at swans after being told he will be dropped and Andrew Ralph from ardy also heading to lancy! If barnett fires up and they string a few together does anyone give them a chance????
 
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