KDFL 2013

[Joe Mama]

Mamma Mia, KDFL has never been in a better position in the last 25 years. 6-7 teams fighting it out for finals with some real class players in the league (thanks VT). Exciting stuff come September. We will always have a few clubs struggling but for some the circle of success is an oblong shape rather than round. Longwood are the exception since joining the KDFNL but hopefully can hang in there for the long journey. Quality teams and players will lift the bar and improve the standard of the league and enjoyment for spectators. Remember don't believe everything you read in he papers.

I don't believe everything I read, I take most things with a grain of salt, and although I agree that the top 6 teams (Murchison, Stanhope, Merrigum, Violet Town, Nagambie & Lancaster) should make for a great finals series (It should be a top 5, which would've make the run to the finals so much better, but I've already talked about that ad nauseum), but the fundamental problems that plague the Ovens and King are also prevalent in the KDFL (although not as much thankfully).

I made the point that once guys in high places in AFL VICTORIA decide to shuffle around the deck chairs with one league, they will look at another league close by that they think has the same issues, and what's to stop some faceless man from saying that "Longwood need to merge with Avenel because they don't have juniors" or "Girgarre or Ardmona need to look at other options to survive because of poor recent results", or any other scenarios that could be played out ?.

I hope that is doesn't happen and that the 13 team league stays as it is, but if we do get to the stage that some clubs have to look at these options that it's left entirely to the clubs involved not forced upon them from above.

Anyway, I thought it was worth noting because with the new Goulburn Murray Football Commission starting up at Kialla (which the KDFL is the only senior league taking part for now), they could look at our league with a very observant eye, just like the North Eastern Commission (which the O&K is a part of) is looking to do in their region.

 

[jaxbac#13]

I don't believe everything I read, I take most things with a grain of salt, and although I agree that the top 6 teams (Murchison, Stanhope, Merrigum, Violet Town, Nagambie & Lancaster) should make for a great finals series (It should be a top 5, which would've make the run to the finals so much better, but I've already talked about that ad nauseum), but the fundamental problems that plague the Ovens and King are also prevalent in the KDFL (although not as much thankfully).

I made the point that once guys in high places in AFL VICTORIA decide to shuffle around the deck chairs with one league, they will look at another league close by that they think has the same issues, and what's to stop some faceless man from saying that "Longwood need to merge with Avenel because they don't have juniors" or "Girgarre or Ardmona need to look at other options to survive because of poor recent results", or any other scenarios that could be played out ?.

I hope that is doesn't happen and that the 13 team league stays as it is, but if we do get to the stage that some clubs have to look at these options that it's left entirely to the clubs involved not forced upon them from above.

Anyway, I thought it was worth noting because with the new Goulburn Murray Football Commission starting up at Kialla (which the KDFL is the only senior league taking part for now), they could look at our league with a very observant eye, just like the North Eastern Commission (which the O&K is a part of) is looking to do in their region.

Hello, Hello is anyone there?

 

[ROOTA#6]

Hello, Hello is anyone there?

It is not optional for leagues to take part in the commission. Commissions are set up to administer football in regions as the old VCFL does not exist

 

[jaxbac#13]

Top three spots well and truly alive. Competition has been like a well played hand of poker, complete with plenty of bluff and stake raising throughout the season. With the final six seemingly set the big story might not so much be who salutes but the potential fallout from the five that don't.

Maybe a massive game between Murch and VT come the last round. If Stanhope and Merrigum don't lose another game and Vt beat Murch last round then they will slip to 3rd on the ladder and into the elimination rounds, half way through the year who would have thought but in saying this they are a solid favourite to beat Vt and more importantly win the big one..

 

[jaxbac#13]

It is not optional for leagues to take part in the commission. Commissions are set up to administer football in regions as the old VCFL does not exist

Thank god ROOTA, thought everyone got a virus..

 

[ROOTA#6]

Thank god ROOTA, thought everyone got a virus..

I'll always find a way mate

 

[hank1]

Maybe a massive game between Murch and VT come the last round. If Stanhope and Merrigum don't lose another game and Vt beat Murch last round then they will slip to 3rd on the ladder and into the elimination rounds, half way through the year who would have thought but in saying this they are a solid favourite to beat Vt and more importantly win the big one..

Be a good 1st semi between VT & Murch if that does eventuate!!, You boys might throw that last game so you don't have to front up to Murch in the 2nd week

 

[sparra]

Be a good 1st semi between VT & Murch if that does eventuate!!, You boys might throw that last game so you don't have to front up to Murch in the 2nd week

Doesn't 3 play 6

 

[hank1]

Doesn't 3 play 6

as I said 2nd week!!, yes first week 3 v 6 & 4 v 5. then the two winners play each other 2nd week in the 1st Semi.

 

[foxtrot36]

as I said 2nd week!!, yes first week 3 v 6 & 4 v 5. then the two winners play each other 2nd week in the 1st Semi.

3rd vs 6th is at lancaster on the saturday.
looking like a merrigum/lancaster knock out game.

 

[hank1]

3rd vs 6th is at lancaster on the saturday.
looking like a merrigum/lancaster knock out game.

Yep and aren't the league farked for allowing that, how can u finish 3rd and then have to front up to the 6th placed sides home ground for the first final, what a load of crap. You'd think they'd learn!

 

[hank1]

Said years ago the league should just allocate the finals venues for each weekend and then decide on who gets the satdy and sunday game after we know who is playing. You would then never have the situation where a lower ranked side is playing a home final.

 

[Doona2]

I made the point that once guys in high places in AFL VICTORIA decide to shuffle around the deck chairs with one league, they will look at another league close by that they think has the same issues, and what's to stop some faceless man from saying that "Longwood need to merge with Avenel because they don't have juniors" or "Girgarre or Ardmona need to look at other options to survive because of poor recent results", or any other scenarios that could be played out ?.

I hope that is doesn't happen and that the 13 team league stays as it is, but if we do get to the stage that some clubs have to look at these options that it's left entirely to the clubs involved not forced upon them from above.

Anyway, I thought it was worth noting because with the new Goulburn Murray Football Commission starting up at Kialla (which the KDFL is the only senior league taking part for now), they could look at our league with a very observant eye, just like the North Eastern Commission (which the O&K is a part of) is looking to do in their region.

$hit you'd hate for them to re-visit a scenario again which included Broadford, Yea, Alexandra and Thornton ....

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Said years ago the league should just allocate the finals venues for each weekend and then decide on who gets the satdy and sunday game after we know who is playing. You would then never have the situation where a lower ranked side is playing a home final.

With police requiring notification and in some cases needing to organize additional staff on shifts 8-10 weeks out , I would imagine it would probably make it extremely difficult ?

 

[hank1]

Gee, would be impossible to let them know a week in advance (at the latest, most years you would know well in advance) that they need to go to Lancaster instead of Undera for example, they know the days 6 months in advance, they just might have to drive an extra 20mins!! You only IMAGINE it would be difficult do you? Never had to organise this stuff in your role? Gee the AFL are going to be in trouble for the next drawn GF, they'll have to wait 8 weeks to hold the replay to allow the police time to organise their staff, I don't know how they got away with it 3 years ago, I imagine it was extremely difficult

 

[foxtrot36]

Gee, would be impossible to let them know a week in advance (at the latest, most years you would know well in advance) that they need to go to Lancaster instead of Undera for example, they know the days 6 months in advance, they just might have to drive an extra 20mins!! You only IMAGINE it would be difficult do you? Never had to organise this stuff in your role? Gee the AFL are going to be in trouble for the next drawn GF, they'll have to wait 8 weeks to hold the replay to allow the police time to organise their staff, I don't know how they got away with it 3 years ago, I imagine it was extremely difficult

is the home ground that much of a advantage ?
if you are good enough on the day it shouldn't matter where you play
the final 6 system is a big disadvantage for whoever finishes 3rd.
maybe give them the home final ?

 

[hank1]

is the home ground that much of a advantage ?
if you are good enough on the day it shouldn't matter where you play
the final 6 system is a big disadvantage for whoever finishes 3rd.
maybe give them the home final ?

Exactly my point foxtrot, Its bad enough going through the whole H&A season and be good enough to finish 3rd and have no advantage over finishing 6th, but then to rub it in you play 6th in a sudden death first final on their home ground.

 

[jaxbac#13]

Exactly my point foxtrot, Its bad enough going through the whole H&A season and be good enough to finish 3rd and have no advantage over finishing 6th, but then to rub it in you play 6th in a sudden death first final on their home ground.

At the end of the day it is what it is and if you let it worry you then you are already half beaten..

 

[Joe Mama]

Hello, Hello is anyone there?

Yes I'm here , but it's a bit naïve to think that this region will be only one not looked at by AFL VICTORIA, when they have had reports and recommendations into football in the north east, the western district, Gippsland, etc. over the past few years, yet I am the crazy one with the tinfoil on my head that doesn't think that this won't happen to us.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong but we'll just have to wait and see.

But, in regards to Merrigum (or possibly Stanhope or Murchison, but likely Merrigum), this was the reason why I don't like the final 6, there's no reward for finishing 3rd, and to add salt to the wounds, the Dogs have to play a game against Lancaster (if they had a final 5 they probably wouldn't be having this problem) at their own home ground.

You would think that there's enough time to prevent this from happening and swap the Lancaster game with Undera's (I can't see why that would be a problem, they have to cater for the same amount of people, need the same number of volunteers, etc.) but everything just seems to be falling into their laps right now.

 

[sparra]

Gee, would be impossible to let them know a week in advance (at the latest, most years you would know well in advance) that they need to go to Lancaster instead of Undera for example, they know the days 6 months in advance, they just might have to drive an extra 20mins!! You only IMAGINE it would be difficult do you? Never had to organise this stuff in your role? Gee the AFL are going to be in trouble for the next drawn GF, they'll have to wait 8 weeks to hold the replay to allow the police time to organise their staff, I don't know how they got away with it 3 years ago, I imagine it was extremely difficult

You will be in the shit now hank

He doesn't like any negative comment

 

[Woody Woodman]

Could we consider a final six system like this for next year? It involves a double Preliminary Final like the AFL.

Week 1

1 v 2 Winner goes to first PF and will play the lowest ranked other finalist to get through. Loser goes to the other PF and plays the highest ranked other finalist to get through.

3 v 4 Winner goes to PF against loser of 1 v 2. Loser plays winner of 5 v 6 in week 2.

5 v 6 Winner plays loser of 3 v 4 in week 2. Loser is out.

Week 2

Loser of 3 v 4 plays winner of 5 v 6. Winner earns PF against winner of 1 v 2. Loser is out.

Week 3

Preliminary Finals - winner of each to play off in GF in week 4.

Pros: 1, 2, 3 and 4 have a double chance. 1 and 2 plus winner of 3 and 4 earn a one week break. Finals still only go for four weeks.

Cons: No direct entry to Grand Final (Minor premier can win first round and be eliminated on next loss but does have the benefit of playing a team that hasn't had a rest). Gives fourth placed team a good run if then can beat third.

 

[hank1]

Could we consider a final six system like this for next year? It involves a double Preliminary Final like the AFL.

Week 1

1 v 2 Winner goes to first PF and will play the lowest ranked other finalist to get through. Loser goes to the other PF and plays the highest ranked other finalist to get through.

3 v 4 Winner goes to PF against loser of 1 v 2. Loser plays winner of 5 v 6 in week 2.

5 v 6 Winner plays loser of 3 v 4 in week 2. Loser is out.

Week 2

Loser of 3 v 4 plays winner of 5 v 6. Winner earns PF against winner of 1 v 2. Loser is out.

Week 3

Preliminary Finals - winner of each to play off in GF in week 4.

Pros: 1, 2, 3 and 4 have a double chance. 1 and 2 plus winner of 3 and 4 earn a one week break. Finals still only go for four weeks.

Cons: No direct entry to Grand Final (Minor premier can win first round and be eliminated on next loss but does have the benefit of playing a team that hasn't had a rest). Gives fourth placed team a good run if then can beat third.

Not bad,
my final 6 has always been

Week 1
Qual Final 1 - 1 v 4 Winner to 2nd Semi
Qual Final 2 - 2 v 3 Winner to 2nd Semi
Highest ranked loser to 1st Semi, lowest ranked loser out
Elim Final 5 v 6 Winner to 1st Semi, loser out

Week 2 and beyond the same as final 5 system (week 1 final 4).

Pros - Top 4 have an opportunity to gain a double chance and play in the 2nd Semi in Week 2
3 games in first week of finals gives more clubs opportunity in hosting finals, more money for league and clubs

Cons - If 3 and 4 win first week then 2nd can go straight out

 

[Joe Mama]

Could we consider a final six system like this for next year? It involves a double Preliminary Final like the AFL.

Week 1

1 v 2 Winner goes to first PF and will play the lowest ranked other finalist to get through. Loser goes to the other PF and plays the highest ranked other finalist to get through.

3 v 4 Winner goes to PF against loser of 1 v 2. Loser plays winner of 5 v 6 in week 2.

5 v 6 Winner plays loser of 3 v 4 in week 2. Loser is out.

Week 2

Loser of 3 v 4 plays winner of 5 v 6. Winner earns PF against winner of 1 v 2. Loser is out.

Week 3

Preliminary Finals - winner of each to play off in GF in week 4.

Pros: 1, 2, 3 and 4 have a double chance. 1 and 2 plus winner of 3 and 4 earn a one week break. Finals still only go for four weeks.

Cons: No direct entry to Grand Final (Minor premier can win first round and be eliminated on next loss but does have the benefit of playing a team that hasn't had a rest). Gives fourth placed team a good run if then can beat third.

Logistically, I don't like the idea of having two finals on the same day, because it splits the crowds attending and it leads to situations where you can have one team from a club playing at one venue and the other playing at another (I know that this can be fixed, but it's unnecessary).

I think what we have for a final 6 is right, but they really need to swap the elimination final at Lancaster with the qualifying final at Undera

 

[Woody Woodman]

Logistically, I don't like the idea of having two finals on the same day, because it splits the crowds attending and it leads to situations where you can have one team from a club playing at one venue and the other playing at another (I know that this can be fixed, but it's unnecessary).

I think what we have for a final 6 is right, but they really need to swap the elimination final at Lancaster with the qualifying final at Undera

I would still promote the Saturday, Sunday (and Friday night under lights for week 1) set up. With other grades of footy and netball everyone is thrown to the shizen anyway.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Gee, would be impossible to let them know a week in advance (at the latest, most years you would know well in advance) that they need to go to Lancaster instead of Undera for example, they know the days 6 months in advance, they just might have to drive an extra 20mins!! You only IMAGINE it would be difficult do you? Never had to organise this stuff in your role? Gee the AFL are going to be in trouble for the next drawn GF, they'll have to wait 8 weeks to hold the replay to allow the police time to organise their staff, I don't know how they got away with it 3 years ago, I imagine it was extremely difficult

Yes I do have some insight having organized similar, which is the exact reason I posted it .
The " IMAGINE " comment is because I can only assume/imagine the KDFNL experience the same issues.
You want to compare the KDFNL to the AFL , in particular the Policing arrangements at GF's, good for you.