Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2019 Draft Almanac

[GUMBLETRON]

Can we take the Hawthorn chat elsewhere please?

 

[Yoda_]

He was offered a contract and turned it down, Essendon could have delisted him and let him walk as DFA like St.Kilda did with Newnes but they did the typical Essendon thing and made him delist himself and have to go into the PSD.

He doesn't need to go to the draft. Go and learn the rules before aguing

 

[Procrastinator35]

That's 3-Time Premiership defender Stratton.

Slight correction.

 

[andleanback]

Most would rate Scrimshaw given he was a first round pick for Gold Cost.....His 2019 was most impressive....Hanrahan will be a gun also, as he has all the tools....Nash's athleticism is off the charts for a 200cm Irishman just learning the game & the same goes for the Somalian kid Jiath…..There's plenty there to work with.

Yes hawthorn do have some young kids with talent but so does every team. If you lined up every teams kids 23 and under hawthorn would probably have the least amount of talent that could become a and b graders.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Yes hawthorn do have some young kids with talent but so does every team. If you lined up every teams kids 23 and under hawthorn would probably have the least amount of talent that could become a and b graders.

Knightmare's point was that Worpel was our only elite talent @ 21 or under.....No other club had a 21 year old with their B&F....So does that mean that no other club also has any 21 year olds to compare?.....My point was that there are indeed others coming through alongside of him, namely: Lewis, Scrimshaw & Hanrahan, to name the better ones.

 

[Warhorse]

Knightmare's point was that Worpel was our only elite talent @ 21 or under.....No other club had a 21 year old with their B&F....So does that mean that no other club also has any 21 year olds to compare?.....My point was that there are indeed others coming through alongside of him, namely: Lewis, Scrimshaw & Hanrahan, to name the better ones.

You're not winning an argument about having good talent when you throw names such as scrimshaw, cousins and hanrahan.

I would say every club in the league would have better young talent than hawthorn.

 

[josh the gent]

Knightmare's point was that Worpel was our only elite talent @ 21 or under.....No other club had a 21 year old with their B&F....So does that mean that no other club also has any 21 year olds to compare?.....My point was that there are indeed others coming through alongside of him, namely: Lewis, Scrimshaw & Hanrahan, to name the better ones.

I saw earlier someone saying they wished Hawks had another pick near pick 11 this year.

Would you be happy if Hawks traded with Dogs:

- Pick 13 for Hawks 2020 first rounder?

I’d be pretty happy with that from Dogs side...

 

[Procrastinator35]

You're not winning an argument about having good talent when you throw names such as scrimshaw, cousins and hanrahan.

I would say every club in the league would have better young talent than hawthorn.

Nice omission of Lewis there.....Kind of makes your argument look intentionally sleight-of-hand.

The point was over whether or not we have any other talent @21 or under other than Worpel…..The simple answer is that Yes, indeed we do.

And for some strange reason, that answer seems to have gotten up many posters noses....Most notably Bombers supporters.....funny that.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I saw earlier someone saying they wished Hawks had another pick near pick 11 this year.

Would you be happy if Hawks traded with Dogs:

- Pick 13 for Hawks 2020 first rounder?

I’d be pretty happy with that from Dogs side...

If the Dogs were silly enough to offer that, then I'd say we'd take it in a heart-beat.....Your club isn't THAT naïve however.

 

[Yoda_]

Nice omission of Lewis there.....Kind of makes your argument look intentionally sleight-of-hand.

The point was over whether or not we have any other talent @21 or under other than Worpel…..The simple answer is that Yes, indeed we do.

And for some strange reason, that answer seems to have gotten up many posters noses....Most notably Bombers supporters.....funny that.

You’re starting to get this self righteousness about yourself when you get called out, or even debated over a topic pretending that the opposition teams poster is up in arms about it.

You did it with Turbocat, doing it here now. Pull your head in or don’t post on a public forum if you don’t like the debate


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[Procrastinator35]

You’re starting to get this self righteousness about yourself when you get called out, or even debated over a topic pretending that the opposition teams poster is up in arms about it.

You did it with Turbocat, doing it here now. Pull your head in or don’t post on a public forum if you don’t like the debate
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Not at all…..I've merely stipulated facts to back my arguments in answer to posters.

Now this post here of yours, is completely self-righteous.

 

[Yoda_]

Stop gaslighting please Procratinator

 

[PMBangers]

As someone constantly linked to Essendon, how limited is he as an inside mid? From all reports he really expanded his game in the second half of this season to rocket into draft calculations.

Limited isn't the word I'd use to describe him, to quote everyone trying to justify any players potential "he's got all the tools" but he'll need to get to a club with strong development. Obviously from his combine testing his speed and agility is his POD but he doesn't show that he's got that on field

 

[Wines to cripps]

Limited isn't the word I'd use to describe him, to quote everyone trying to justify any players potential "he's got all the tools" but he'll need to get to a club with strong development. Obviously from his combine testing his speed and agility is his POD but he doesn't show that he's got that on field

Most recruiters like the term "plays like" I can't put a name to him at the highest level which is a big red flag Imo.

He did do a good lock down job on Anderson or Some one else highly rated I forgot who but at pick 30 odd id go for Byrne's ,Taylor type. Mguinness,Carffa

 

[PMBangers]

Most recruiters like the term "plays like" I can't put a name to him at the highest level which is a big red flag Imo.

He did do a good lock down job on Anderson or Some one else highly rated I forgot who but at pick 30 odd id go for Byrne's ,Taylor type. Mguinness,Carffa

No one played like De Goey before he came along, no one played like Bont before he came along, same with Pendlebury, Franklin and others I'm sure I'm missing.
I don't think Philp can reach the levels of those guys but just because you can't find a 'plays like' comparison isn't a reason for concern

 

[Wines to cripps]

No one played like De Goey before he came along, no one played like Bont before he came along, same with Pendlebury, Franklin and others I'm sure I'm missing.
I don't think Philp can reach the levels of those guys but just because you can't find a 'plays like' comparison isn't a reason for concern

Hawks old recruiter and a few to this day go by that model if you can't see a player like them aT the top level don't touch them.

De goey was seen as a Martin type. Bont a Robert Murphy type.. It's not the bees knees but clubs do go by it

 

[josh the gent]

If the Dogs were silly enough to offer that, then I'd say we'd take it in a heart-beat.....Your club isn't THAT naïve however.

Ha, “naïve” would be Hawks doing the trade.

You’re 8th favourite for next season’s flag per sportsbet.

 

[Knightmare]

Any chance he tanked it to get to an SA side?
His sanfl form was decent

I don't get the sense Gould tanked. He had just had a long year and was sore.

I suppose if you're not that familiar with our list then Worpel does seem like the only up n coming star junior......However, we have a group of 21 year old kids coming through along-side of him, in the likes of Mitch Lewis, Jack Scrimshaw, Oliver Hanrahan, Conor Nash, James Cousins & Harry Morrison....Other than Morrison, all these guys showed a marked improvement in their game in 2019; Particularly Lewis, Scrimshaw, Nash & Hanrahan.....That's seven 21 year olds, including Worpel.

Contrary to reports, Mitchell will be fine to go, as he is such a super pro who leaves no stone unturned in both his training & re-hab. Remembering he was the reigning Brownlow Medallist, coming off the 2 highest possession winning seasons in the history of the game....The query was over whether he could return in time for the finals in 2019 or not, had we made them....However, a few minor set-backs along the way, made that impossible.

We've also added to our mid-tier age stocks in the big-man department, with the signings of Patton, Frost & soon to be Hartley....These 3 join all of Mitchell, Wingard, O'Meara, Sicily, Hardwick, O'Brien, Howe & Impey in the 23-26 year old range, informing the core of our squad going forward. That's 11 blokes in the prime of their careers.....Then there's another group of 5 comprising Shiels, Breust, Ceglar, Gunston & Scully in the 28-29 years of age range.

Our group of vets comprise 7 names, in the evergreen Burgoyne, McEvoy, Puopolo, Smith, Henderson, Frawley & our Captain Stratton....Henderson is coming off a career best year & both Frawley & McEvoy have just had their best seasons to date for us....Smith is still an elite runner/wingman & Silk, Poppy & Stratts are definitely in their last season, no doubt....The latter 2 will likely struggle to see out the year in the senior side.

So the better part of our list that informs our core, lies in that 23-26 year age bracket....The 3 blokes we need to find replacements for fairly soon are McEvoy, Frawley & Smith, without a doubt....The signing of McAsey would address one of those concerns immediately.

I wouldn't be calling any of those young guys stars. At this time none of them I project to become future All-Australian's. Worpel is already terrific but I'm not seeing him developing into a best 10 mid in the comp. Lewis I agree is very good already and he's on the rise. I'm largely seeing Lewis continuing his second half of season form. The other under 22s which is where improvement typically comes from are more players who can be components, but don't appear to be likely difference makers. From that group it's hard to see where the big step up comes. Worpel likely takes a step back when Mitchell returns, Lewis can improve but largely sustains his second half of season performance. I'm not seeing from that young core group who goes 'bang.' Hawthorn continue to surprise me with the lean talent they have on their list and how well they develop it, and it's a credit to the coaches, development staff and leadership internally, but when Hawthorn have taken so few first and second round picks over the years eventually it will get to a stage where the same success eventually can't be replicated.

Wingard, O'Meara and Sicily are all terrific. Hardwick I like also. O'Brien/Howe/Impey are components who wouldn't get games for every team.

Stratton I'm more optimistic will be useful beyond this year of those older guys.

The problem with Hawthorn's situation is the combination of relying on vets in their late 20s and early 30s and hoping they continue to hold up. Burgoyne, McEvoy, Puopolo, Smith, Stratton and Frawley are all on the downside and if those guys get hurt or decline badly, that's going to be a problem for the Hawks this year.

My too early prediction of Hawthorn is a ladder finish of 8-15, with somewhere around 12th what I see as the probable season outcome for Hawthorn, all things being even with a fairly regular injury list and roughly to expectation performance from each player.

I'm so surprised to see philp getting plonked so high in the rankings?

Very limited inside mid .Great family but

Philp is being spoken about as a likely second or third rounder. He's a good inside ball winner and tests well, but ultimately doesn't apply his athleticism often enough in game for it to be much of a factor.

He isn't inside my top 50, and is someone I view personally as more a 50-70 pick on quality this year.

Surely he is the perfect example of a footballers footballer being selected? Seems like his natural footballing ability is far to good to slip into the 20's?

I agree with you Yoda, but clubs seem to assess him differently and take in my view too much into account his testing and his weight

Who do you see Freo most likely trading with to get out of ten if melbourne/carlton bid on henry and they match?

Fremantle may not need to get into the top 10 depending on how things go.

I don't think Melbourne accept a deal, with the players they want to be there at 8 but probably not later, so if they're going to bid, that would be trickier. GWS may accept pick 10 and a number of other picks for pick 6 if they are unable to move up.

Carlton may be more open minded to trading depending on who Fremantle are planning on taking, and may be able to coax Carlton if they add a nice pick in addition to pick 10 into the trade.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You’re 8th favourite for next season’s flag per sportsbet.

That means very little in the scheme of things...The Tigers were about the same at the start of 2017.

 

[briztoon]

Who do you see Freo most likely trading with to get out of ten if melbourne/carlton bid on henry and they match?

Gold Coast or Brisbane.

 

[WileyWiggins]

Who are your early tips for fantasy cash cows and long term keepers?

 

[remfan101]

Thoughts on Flynn Perez? Reminds me a bit of Adam Cerra in his draft year from what I've seen, albeit less developed at this stage. I feel like he could go a bit earlier than predicted given his mix of attributes + likely upside.

 

[Burtman]

I don't get the sense Gould tanked. He had just had a long year and was sore.



I wouldn't be calling any of those young guys stars. At this time none of them I project to become future All-Australian's. Worpel is already terrific but I'm not seeing him developing into a best 10 mid in the comp. Lewis I agree is very good already and he's on the rise. I'm largely seeing Lewis continuing his second half of season form. The other under 22s which is where improvement typically comes from are more players who can be components, but don't appear to be likely difference makers. From that group it's hard to see where the big step up comes. Worpel likely takes a step back when Mitchell returns, Lewis can improve but largely sustains his second half of season performance. I'm not seeing from that young core group who goes 'bang.' Hawthorn continue to surprise me with the lean talent they have on their list and how well they develop it, and it's a credit to the coaches, development staff and leadership internally, but when Hawthorn have taken so few first and second round picks over the years eventually it will get to a stage where the same success eventually can't be replicated.

Wingard, O'Meara and Sicily are all terrific. Hardwick I like also. O'Brien/Howe/Impey are components who wouldn't get games for every team.

Stratton I'm more optimistic will be useful beyond this year of those older guys.

The problem with Hawthorn's situation is the combination of relying on vets in their late 20s and early 30s and hoping they continue to hold up. Burgoyne, McEvoy, Puopolo, Smith, Stratton and Frawley are all on the downside and if those guys get hurt or decline badly, that's going to be a problem for the Hawks this year.

My too early prediction of Hawthorn is a ladder finish of 8-15, with somewhere around 12th what I see as the probable season outcome for Hawthorn, all things being even with a fairly regular injury list and roughly to expectation performance from each player.



Philp is being spoken about as a likely second or third rounder. He's a good inside ball winner and tests well, but ultimately doesn't apply his athleticism often enough in game for it to be much of a factor.

He isn't inside my top 50, and is someone I view personally as more a 50-70 pick on quality this year.



I agree with you Yoda, but clubs seem to assess him differently and take in my view too much into account his testing and his weight



Fremantle may not need to get into the top 10 depending on how things go.

I don't think Melbourne accept a deal, with the players they want to be there at 8 but probably not later, so if they're going to bid, that would be trickier. GWS may accept pick 10 and a number of other picks for pick 6 if they are unable to move up.

Carlton may be more open minded to trading depending on who Fremantle are planning on taking, and may be able to coax Carlton if they add a nice pick in addition to pick 10 into the trade.

U mustn’t of watched much of us this year if you think impey wouldn’t get a game at every club. Was probably in our top 3/4 players before his knee. His intercepting and linebreaking run is something every team needs, he has been a massive surprise to me since he’s come across, cause I didn’t really rate him at port. I think there’s a lot of possible improvement in our team, wingard hardly played all year but blitzed it in the midfield the last 5~ weeks, gunston played hurt all year so hopefully he’s over the injury and can return to decent form, will also help that he’ll probably get the 3rd or 4th best defender. Another key defender allows sicily to go back to his floating/intercepting role instead of playing as a kp. Tom mitchell back improves the consistency of our midfield. The guys who are likely to drop off next year are really just role players, I can see puopolo being phased out throughout the year, but that’s not a huge loss. Stratton could be in danger of dropping out, but our backline is probably our strongest line. Ceglar has shown that he’s a very capable ruck so if big boy goes down there’s instant cover. Burgoynes missed chunks of footy the last few years, he’s absolute class but don’t think his output overall is huge. Our depth is what might get us, but if we get a decent run with injuries I can see us finishing around 5th-10th

 

[daniel23]

Yes hawthorn do have some young kids with talent but so does every team. If you lined up every teams kids 23 and under hawthorn would probably have the least amount of talent that could become a and b graders.

If we are talking 21 I'd struggle to name 2 players at essendon who look like becoming stars .

 

[Mego Red]

Jesus, what's with all the Hawks fans coming into this thread to desperately justify where their team is heading?