Kosi

[football365]

Dos Santos Aveiros, is that brazillian for troll? do you even support the roos??? or are you just trying to do your best making arguments to get that massive post numbers of yours up since you made your ID three days ago?.

 

[Angus1]

ummmm, i got it for afl.com.au

Blind Freddie could tell you that its obvious he can play and would be great for us. I dont need to make arguments for him to play for the roos. Hes young, nearly 100kg, 197 cm, athletic, can play either end and pinch hit ruck. He is what we are crying out for.

Of course he is. If we don't do some good trades this year we will have yet another wasted year where we will have to start again the following year. Lets start now for f!@#$ sake .

 

[NeoBlaze]

I guess you believe everything you read?

I guess some people just don't know when they're wrong

 

[football365]

Of course he is. If we don't do some good trades this year we will have yet another wasted year where we will have to start again the following year. Lets start now for f!@#$ sake .

HERE HERE!!!!

In actual fact i see this potential trade, as more important thatn last years attempts to get rawlings. I know who id rather have.

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

Yes that’s probably the first thing I would’ve mentioned, purely because its what most people would recognise. But my opinion is based on much more, the way he moves, the way he kicks, how he attacks a pack, speed, endurance and importantly his aggressiveness. This kid has hunger………. ‘eye of the tiger’, which will no doubt be wasted where he is, bcos no matter what he does he will always play second string to StNick.

No I don’t have every little thing about him filed away to please you, I follow North, but ive seen enough to convince me.

At our club he would be second best shot on goal behind Sav, best contested mark and best endurance for a 190cm + player. He moves well on the lead, and has sound lateral movement. He will be damn good, how good I don’t know. But I do know his worth is only going up from here on in.

Eye of the tiger?? Oh please.

Best set shot behind Sav? At the moment that might not be difficult.

Best contested mark behind Sav? Have you not forgotten the style of football played under the previous coach?

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

I guess some people just don't know when they're wrong

Wrong? Have you or anyone else provided a decent, realistic argument? You are talking fantasies, over rating and over hyping an injury prone *******. North needs players on the park, not on the injury list.

Get realisitc, he is not a viable option, and I think he is a dud as well. Just like you think Simmonds is a dud, but others don't. However, Simmonds would be more gettable than Kosi.

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

Dos Santos Aveiros, is that brazillian for troll? do you even support the roos??? or are you just trying to do your best making arguments to get that massive post numbers of yours up since you made your ID three days ago?.

I've provided an argument, and dismantled your feeble counter. If the best you can provide is a highly subjective piece off a team's web site, then I hold little hope for you trying to analyse talent.

 

[R00StaR]

Eye of the tiger?? Oh please.

Yes, thats how i see it. Ive watched him closely after firstly being impressed by his talent.

Best set shot behind Sav? At the moment that might not be difficult.

Sav is a great kick, and agree it doesnt take much to be second to him atm. But its an assest we could well do with. Particularly since Sav probably only has one year left.

Best contested mark behind Sav? Have you not forgotten the style of football played under the previous coach?

No I haven’t forgotten, and I don’t think Sav is that great a contested mark. His trade mark is a mark resulting from a strong lead. I was saying Kosi would be the best at our club, not second best. Pound for pound on a par with Motlop and Simo perhaps.

 

[football365]

You argument is that he has shown nothing.

My argument to counter that is that he won the rising star award in his first year.

You argue that he is a spaz

197cm, 97kg athletic KPP suggests otherwise

You argue that he is an injury prone

I agree with that part, but his upside is BLOODY HUGE

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

Yes, thats how i see it. Ive watched him closely after firstly being impressed by his talent.

Sav is a great kick, and agree it doesnt take much to be second to him atm. But its an assest we could well do with. Particularly since Sav probably only has one year left.

No I haven’t forgotten, and I don’t think Sav is that great a contested mark. His trade mark is a mark resulting from a strong lead. I was saying Kosi would be the best at our club, not second best. Pound for pound on a par with Motlop and Simo perhaps.

Still doesn't provide anything worthwhile - it would help if the delivery to the forwards was better would it not?

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

You argument is that he has shown nothing.

My argument to counter that is that he won the rising star award in his first year.

You argue that he is a spaz

197cm, 97kg athletic KPP suggests otherwise

You argue that he is an injury prone

I agree with that part, but his upside is BLOODY HUGE

Nick Holland won a Norwich rising star in 1995, your point?

Athletic? Says you or the web site?

Upside? How about risk? Do you think it would be prudent to be paying big bucks on a risk? Can the club afford that?

 

[football365]

Nick Holland won a Norwich rising star in 1995, your point? Well my point is that you said what has he show, that award would indicate he has

Athletic? Says you or the web site? Both. Anyone who knows anything about football really. Have you seen him play

Upside? How about risk? Do you think it would be prudent to be paying big bucks on a risk? Can the club afford that?

His upside is that he can play KP, is young and ready made. I dont think he would be on big bucks, nor would the club give out 500 k contracts. I am sure 15 afl clubs would jump at the opportunity to have him on their list.

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

Nick Holland won a Norwich rising star in 1995, your point? Well my point is that you said what has he show, that award would indicate he has

Athletic? Says you or the web site? Both. Anyone who knows anything about football really. Have you seen him play

Upside? How about risk? Do you think it would be prudent to be paying big bucks on a risk? Can the club afford that?

His upside is that he can play KP, is young and ready made. I dont think he would be on big bucks, nor would the club give out 500 k contracts. I am sure 15 afl clubs would jump at the opportunity to have him on their list.

Athletic and injuries don't mix, especially the kinds of injuries he has had. A Rising Star award means little - "I won award because I was potentially good in the eyes of some."

Maybe you're thinking pipe dreams because the Eagles took a risk on Judd and it paid off. What if it didn't? Just because it worked for them doesnt mean it will work for us or others.

You don't think he would be on big bucks? Do you not think North would have to offer big bucks to tempt him across? Ready made? Given the risk I would say he is far from ready made.

Oh wait, he's from our old recruiting zone and was a North supporter. Money talks and bullsh1t walks in this game, no room for romance.

 

[R00StaR]

Still doesn't provide anything worthwhile - it would help if the delivery to the forwards was better would it not?

It provides more than your ‘he’s a spaz coz I say so’ case. With in your 30 something posts you’ve shown nothing to suggest you have any idea.

Oh yeah, before you say it (like id expect form a good little troll), yes you’ve shown more than me with all my posts…….pffft.

Anyway, I can see without the footy its troll season. That’s my cue to disappear till next season, will drop in from time to time. Be sure to enjoy the summer all you good Roo people.

 

[NeoBlaze]

I've provided an argument, and dismantled your feeble counter. If the best you can provide is a highly subjective piece off a team's web site, then I hold little hope for you trying to analyse talent.

He's 197 cm tall and is 97 kg. Perfect Height and Weight to play AFL standard football straight away. His height also makes him perfect for all of the most important positions on the field ie CHF, CHB, FF. He's very versatile evident in his playing at FF, CHF, CHB, Ruck, FB. He won the Rising Star which indicates he has talent, the way he won it as well screams that the boy has genuine talent, playing CHB in a team which was being hammered week in week out for a whole season and taking contested mark after contested mark says they boy has talent, the same way Graham Polak has talent (albeit in a much superior team than 2001 St Kilda). The way he continually repelled attack after attack and constructively linked up with other players in a variety of positions indicates that he also has a very good football brain.

He is continually rushed back into a very strong side indicating his importance to the team and the high esteem he's held in as a player. He has played injured for many games indicating that he has got heart. He continually puts his body on the line despite the recent run of injuries he's had to back, ankle, ribs, hamstring and elbow. Most of which have come as "freak" events rather than being a chronic condition and has more to do with being underdone rather than being "injury prone".

His athletic capacity is brilliant, he can play along the wing, and has done in games in the past. His kicking for goal is very good and he's highly accurate. He is also leadership material from all reports. His value to our CHF-less team would be immense as he can actually take a contested mark (unlike Petrie or Rocca or Brown). He would also free up Brown to play up forward and Petrie to take CHB. He's very young with huge scope for improvement and potentially 10 very good years of footy in him. He was the no.2 draft pick behind arguably the best young player in the league and if you look at it objectively his strengths far outweigh his deficiencies which so far is only "injury proneness" despite playing at least 50 games out of a possible 88.

His value will be at an all time low now considering his recent run of injuries. Once he gets a full pre-season down and rips apart the competition, you'll understand why I want to get him down here.

 

[football365]

Neo, thanks for putting that across to Dos Santos Aveiros for the 5th or so time. You can argue all you like with him, may as well talk to the brick wall - HE IS A TROLL. Mate, i agree with you, as would anyone else who has credibility on this board of which Dos Santos Aveiros does NOT.

RooStar troll season is upon us, however be sure to actully post from time to time, as I do, to make your opinions known as most of us appriciate them and are able to accept opinions as they are just that opinions.

As for you brick wall (Dos Santos Aveiros), go crawl under a bridge and troll somewhere else.

 

[NeoBlaze]

Athletic and injuries don't mix, especially the kinds of injuries he has had.

What injuries has he had that has so badly destroyed his athletic capacity? I don't see knee reco on his list of injuries.

A Rising Star award means little - "I won award because I was potentially good in the eyes of some."

Right so, Archer, Pickett, Buckley, Ben Cousins, Chris Scott, Michael Wilson, Adam Goodes, Paul Haselby, Riewoldt none of those players are good at all because they really are only "potentially" good in the eyes of "some". You only have 5 premierships, 2 brownlows, 1 normsmith, 2 club captains, how many VC, god knows how many b&f's among them.

Maybe you're thinking pipe dreams because the Eagles took a risk on Judd and it paid off. What if it didn't?

Ummm....What if it did?

Just because it worked for them doesnt mean it will work for us or others.

I'd love to have you as our recruiter! "well gee, this kid has got talent, he kicks 100 goals a season. S**T we better not get him he may not kick 100 goals for us. Best we go for a guy like Ben Marsh, at least we know he's bad!"

Money talks and bullsh1t walks in this game, no room for romance.

ahh...what's that got to do with Koschitske?

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

Neo, thanks for putting that across to Dos Santos Aveiros for the 5th or so time. You can argue all you like with him, may as well talk to the brick wall - HE IS A TROLL. Mate, i agree with you, as would anyone else who has credibility on this board of which Dos Santos Aveiros does NOT.

RooStar troll season is upon us, however be sure to actully post from time to time, as I do, to make your opinions known as most of us appriciate them and are able to accept opinions as they are just that opinions.

As for you brick wall (Dos Santos Aveiros), go crawl under a bridge and troll somewhere else.

I'm a troll because I disagree? Well I'm so sorry for not blowing sunshine up your rear.

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

It provides more than your ‘he’s a spaz coz I say so’ case. With in your 30 something posts you’ve shown nothing to suggest you have any idea.

Oh yeah, before you say it (like id expect form a good little troll), yes you’ve shown more than me with all my posts…….pffft.

Anyway, I can see without the footy its troll season. That’s my cue to disappear till next season, will drop in from time to time. Be sure to enjoy the summer all you good Roo people.

Another muppet. Oh but he played well against Brown, one game does not make a career. Oh but he kicked five against the bulldogs once, again one game does not make a career. He's athletic, so are many others. How about you tell us wether you'd like the club to fork out big bucks to lure an injury prone (and in my opinion, dud) player to the club?

 

[Dos Santos Aveiros]

What injuries has he had that has so badly destroyed his athletic capacity? I don't see knee reco on his list of injuries.

Right so, Archer, Pickett, Buckley, Ben Cousins, Chris Scott, Michael Wilson, Adam Goodes, Paul Haselby, Riewoldt none of those players are good at all because they really are only "potentially" good in the eyes of "some". You only have 5 premierships, 2 brownlows, 1 normsmith, 2 club captains, how many VC, god knows how many b&f's among them.

I'd love to have you as our recruiter! "well gee, this kid has got talent, he kicks 100 goals a season. S**T we better not get him he may not kick 100 goals for us. Best we go for a guy like Ben Marsh, at least we know he's bad!"

Back injuries are not serious? The foot injury he has now is apparenlty similar to Gehrig and Keating. Structural injuries, especially the back are rather serious and can be a precursor to other muscularskeletal problems. Look at what back injuries did to Ang Christou.

When did Archer win a rising star medal by the way? And the Rising Star award is indeed that, a mark of potential, not a rubberstamp of superstar status.

Your "100 goals" diatribe is rather humorous. Was Chris Judd not the standout player of that draft, except for the suspect elbows? Are you saying the Eagles did not take a risk? They got lucky, and good on them. How that even remotely relates to someone kicking 100 goals this year and the next im not even sure. If you don't think recruiters take injuries into account when assessing a player, then don't bother replying.

What's romance got to do with Ko********scke? He followed North as a kid, and seems to be a good enough reason for some people to throw wads of money at him.

 

[Gumbyroo]

Brian Waldron (Saints CEO) rates Kosi as a player but says he hasn't got the body to play AFL. I'm not talking stats such as height and weight, but rather capacity to cope with the hits that KPPs must take in AFL. I don't know whether that means the Saints are open to a trade or whether he isn't worth the risk, but surely it can't hurt to see what the Saints would want for him. By the way, he would also have to want to play for North to make it worthwhile.

 

[1jasonoz]

Brian Waldron (Saints CEO) rates Kosi as a player but says he hasn't got the body to play AFL. I'm not talking stats such as height and weight, but rather capacity to cope with the hits that KPPs must take in AFL. I don't know whether that means the Saints are open to a trade or whether he isn't worth the risk, but surely it can't hurt to see what the Saints would want for him. By the way, he would also have to want to play for North to make it worthwhile.

You would be hoping that if the Saints mentioned to Kosi that they would look at a trade, if North got involved and showed him we were keen on him, the ided of playing for the club he grew up supporting my actually apeal to him.

 

[Ausgard]

You would be hoping that if the Saints mentioned to Kosi that they would look at a trade, if North got involved and showed him we were keen on him, the ided of playing for the club he grew up supporting my actually apeal to him.

I agree

On a side note - does anyone other than Dos Santos agree with Dos Santos ?

I mean other than the fact he is injury prone there doesn't seem to be a downside to him as far as I am concerned. Continually calling him a ******* and saying whatever awards he has won are meaningless has never really sold it for me

 

[myboywellsy]

Mate i Have posted this exact thread 3 times... solves all our issues and will be a superstar!!!! injury's caused by playing in the ruck when not tall or 'big' enough yet.

trade him for pick 10 and harvey/grant...

offer him 400+ a year...

he'll come.

 

[NeoBlaze]

Back injuries are not serious? The foot injury he has now is apparenlty similar to Gehrig and Keating. Structural injuries, especially the back are rather serious and can be a precursor to other muscularskeletal problems. Look at what back injuries did to Ang Christou.

Brad Ottens is doing alright after spending 8 months out of football with a very serious back injury. What's your source on his foot injury? I'd at least like so shred of proof since your asking the world of us.

And the Rising Star award is indeed that, a mark of potential, not a rubberstamp of superstar status.

I never said it was a rubberstamp of superstar status. You were dissing an award which has been won by many celebrated footballers, of which on par the majority of them who have won are out and out champions of the game.

Was Chris Judd not the standout player of that draft, except for the suspect elbows?

Yes....Elbows....

Are you saying the Eagles did not take a risk? They got lucky, and good on them. How that even remotely relates to someone kicking 100 goals this year and the next im not even sure. If you don't think recruiters take injuries into account when assessing a player, then don't bother replying.

Of course they take injuries into account. They also take talent into account and scope for improvement. On the flipside Hawthorn took Luke Hodge who was the least risky out of the bunch of them since Ball was out with very very bad OP, and Judd had two shoulder reconstructions. Look who's laughing now? Everything has it's risk. In this case the pay off is well worth the risk

What's romance got to do with Ko********scke? He followed North as a kid, and seems to be a good enough reason for some people to throw wads of money at him.

right....I don't think people are advocating that we take him just because he grew up going for North. I think we can see with our own two eyes open that the boy has talent and is well worth pursuing.