Kumar Sangakarra

[rocker_oz33]

GUN.
Good point on Chanderpaul like him too.

 

[SriLankanCat]

The Sinhalese sports club is a a ridiculous cricket ground.

Sangakkara is an all time great of the game but when guys like Samaraweera can average over 50 at some point in their careers there is something wrong

Since 2000 there have been 22 tests. 15 results (13 SL wins) and 7 draws.

 

[The_Reaper]

This is from an article in 2012.


Highest runs per wkt at grounds since Jan 2006 (Qual: five Tests)
Venue Tests Results/ Draws Runs per wkt 100s/ 50s
SSC, Colombo 10 4/ 6 46.12 32/ 49
Adelaide Oval 6 4/ 2 42.22 18/ 30
McLean Park, Napier 6 2/ 4 39.58 15/ 33
Sydney Cricket Ground 7 7/ 0 38.51 17/ 34
Lord's 14 7/ 7 37.91 36/ 69
Kensington Oval, Barbdos 5 3/ 2 37.67 8/ 29

So the SCC stands out for runs per wicket.

 

[SriLankanCat]

So the SCC stands out for runs per wicket.

Since 2000 there have been 22 tests. 15 results (13 SL wins) and 7 draws.

Only 4 runs more than ADelaide Oval?

 

[The_Reaper]

Since 2000 there have been 22 tests. 15 results (13 SL wins) and 7 draws.

Only 4 runs more than ADelaide Oval?

And I think the Adelaide oval is pretty flat.

4 runs is also fairly significant when it's 10% of the Adelaide Oval average

 

[Caesar]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/571158.html

Since the beginning of 2006, there've been ten Tests at the SSC, and in those matches, the average runs per wicket has been 46.12, with 32 centuries, and seven totals of more than 500 (including four of 600 or more). In terms of averages, it's easily the highest among the 23 venues which have hosted at least five Tests during this period; the draw percentage at this ground is 60 in these six-and-a-half years, in a phase when Test cricket the world over has generally yielded more results: the overall draw percentage in all Tests during this period is 28%; in Sri Lanka excluding the SSC, it's 24%. And yet, an SSC fixture is the most regular one on the Sri Lankan calendar: no other venue in the country has hosted as many Tests since 2006.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Anywoo I watched this ton by Chanderpaul.Lyon almost got him lbw on 98.

 

[SriLankanCat]

And I think the Adelaide oval is pretty flat.

4 runs is also fairly significant when it's 10% of the Adelaide Oval average

Not really. Bottom line is Sangakarra has a phenomenal record overseas too. Averages 54? Take away the minnows its still 50?

Bare in mind the last 2 times he came to Aus he was injured but still scored 190 odd in Hobart in the FOURTH innings of a test match.

BOttom line is most batsman get big scores on batting friendly wickets?

 

[sherb]

As I pointed out before, there is a myriad of stats which can be and are used to argue who is the better player.

Personally, I find that approach to be pretty much a waste of time.

(I did post some stats in favour of Sanga, yes, but I did it to highlight the point in my opening sentence).

Here you have a group of six players - who have each had such an outstanding career in terms of aggregate, average, longevity and consistency.

The more you have to start pulling out stats to justify your opinion of who is the better player, the more difficult they are to me to separate.

 

[SriLankanCat]

As I pointed out before, there is a myriad of stats which can be and are used to argue who is the better player.

Personally, I find that approach to be pretty much a waste of time.

(I did post some stats in favour of Sanga, yes, but I did it to highlight the point in my opening sentence).

Here you have a group of six players - who have each had such an outstanding career in terms of aggregate, average, longevity and consistency.

The more you have to start pulling out stats to justify your opinion of who is the better player, the more difficult they are to me to separate.

Agree actually. Wasnt at all trying to say SAngakarra is better than any of them, just saying he should be mentioned in the same conversation as Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar but isnt.

 

[sherb]

Agree actually. Wasnt at all trying to say SAngakarra is better than any of them, just saying he should be mentioned in the same conversation as Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar but isnt.

My post wasn't directed at you.

I agree with you in fact.

 

[Righteo]

I got Sangakarra out a couple of times whilst net bowling before the Adelaide test a few years ago. A week or two later he made that 190 in Hobart. The Aussies needed me that day.

One hand one bounce/one hand off the nets/top net out rules or????

 

[The_Reaper]

Not really. Bottom line is Sangakarra has a phenomenal record overseas too. Averages 54? Take away the minnows its still 50?

Bare in mind the last 2 times he came to Aus he was injured but still scored 190 odd in Hobart in the FOURTH innings of a test match.

BOttom line is most batsman get big scores on batting friendly wickets?

And I've acknowledge that Sangakkara is an all time great.

I'd have him behind Lara but that's because I have everyone behind Lara.

The point is that the Sinhalese sports club is still ridiculous and with Ban/Zim explains in part why Sangakarra averages well over 60 as a specialist bat, when he's around the same mark as Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting/Dravid/Kallis

 

[Jade's_]

That 'shouldabeen' 200 in Hobart is up there with Michael Clarke's hundred in South Africa as the best knock I've watched.

Level with Tendulkar and Lara for me.

Disagree on this. Clare's knock came on a wicket doing all sorts of tricks. Sangakarra scored his on an absolute road. People seem to forget australia lost 7 wickets for 700 odd in that game

 

[SriLankanCat]

Disagree on this. Clare's knock came on a wicket doing all sorts of tricks. Sangakarra scored his on an absolute road. People seem to forget australia lost 7 wickets for 700 odd in that game

So? fourth innings of a test match and scoring 190 odd when the rest of the team put together only scored

Disagree on this. Clare's knock came on a wicket doing all sorts of tricks. Sangakarra scored his on an absolute road. People seem to forget australia lost 7 wickets for 700 odd in that game

190 odd in the fourth innings of any test when the rest of the team scored that put together is remarkable.

As for Clarkes innings, you talking about the 1st test where he scored 150 odd when the team got 280? yeah great ininings but didnt south africa win by 7 or 8 wickets chasing in the fourth dig??? cant have been that bad! hahaha nah that was a remarkable innings from Clarke no doubt. but considering the situation i think Sanga's 190 odd was great. ANd he has scored masterpieces up there with Clarkes but again he is Sri Lankan so doesnt get the recognition. NOt every Sri Lankan wicket is a flat track, i mean foreign teams struggle dont they showing it aint that easy. Also why is Murali's record criticised for taking wickets at home if they are so batsman friendly???? ALso would people say Chaminda Vaas is better than Mcgrath considering he played on wickets suited to batsman??? Mcgrath had lively wickets that helped him?

 

[Spook]

Great player but stats probably boosted by playing in favourable home conditions a lot. He hates it when the ball wobbles about a bit.

Did you even look before posting? ..........His average in Sri Lanka is less than his overall average and his average in aus is almost 52

Averages
Overall 58.23
Sri Lanka 55.73
Australia 51.71

 

[evdo1706]

There is absolutely no way he is ahead of Lara or Tendulkar or Ponting. Tendulkar and Lara scored a lot of runs in the 1990s. Tendulkar had 2 tons in his first Australian tour as a teenager (one at the WACA) and saved a game with a ton in England a year before. We all know how good Lara was then. One can't emphasize enough how difficult it was to score runs then compared to these days. The decade of 1990 had only 5 batsmen who scored at an average of 50, Tendulkar was at the top with 58, whereas the decade of 2000s had 13 or 14. Sangakarra is a great batsman, extremely consistent ( especially in the last 4-5 years) in his home conditions but he is not in the same league as those 3. For me, in the last 20 years the order in test cricket--

Lara, Tendulkar
Ponting
Kallis, Dravid
Sangakarra

 

[evdo1706]

Sangakkara averages 42.6 in Australia, England, West Indies, New Zealand, South Africa. Definitely not ATG stats. It is true that he does not get to play a lot in those countries but the likes of Tendulkar and Lara started playing well immediately and in much difficult conditions of the 1990s. I am sure actually his overall averages would have come down a fair bit had he played more outside his comfort zone.

 

[SriLankanCat]

Sangakkara averages 42.6 in Australia, England, West Indies, New Zealand, South Africa. Definitely not ATG stats. It is true that he does not get to play a lot in those countries but the likes of Tendulkar and Lara started playing well immediately and in much difficult conditions of the 1990s. I am sure actually his overall averages would have come down a fair bit had he played more outside his comfort zone.

Yeah but that is most players? Look at Pontings on the sub continent.
Bradman neevr played on the subcontinent so we cant really determine how he would have done.

BOttom line is Sanga has performed in big matches away from home. And like a previous poster said people can look for all ways to diminish what he achieved, but he is a great and because he doesnt belong to the BIG 3 he doesnt get recognition.

 

[evdo1706]

Yeah but that is most players? Look at Pontings on the sub continent.
Bradman neevr played on the subcontinent so we cant really determine how he would have done.

BOttom line is Sanga has performed in big matches away from home. And like a previous poster said people can look for all ways to diminish what he achieved, but he is a great and because he doesnt belong to the BIG 3 he doesnt get recognition.

Ponting's average is poor only in one country India, not the whole subcontinent. I never said that Sanga was not a great player, he is. He is just not in the top 5 batsmen that I have seen in the last 20 years.

 

[The_Reaper]

Ponting was more Harbhajan's bunny than anything else

 

[philreich]

Would be in my top 10 for batsmen I've seen since I started watching the game in 1976. An wonderful talent, but I think his average is inflated by playing against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh many times more compared to others I rate.

That said, his monumental partnership of 624 with Jayawardene was made against South Africa, so on his day he could slaughter any attack. One thing is certain: when he retires, it'll leave a massive hole at number 3 in the Sri Lankan top order.

 

[GROTTO]

Kumar Sangakarra test average at Home: 63.17 Away: 54.09
Tendulkar Home: 52.87 Away 54.75
Lara Home: 58.65 Away: 47.80
Ponting Home: 56.98 Away: 46.40

Only Tendulkar has the higher away average of the four and not by much.

Tendulkar probably wishes he could have played against India to improve his average though.

Averages again dont tell the entire story, but they almost do. The interesting comparisons of all those batsmen is who faced the best bowling during their time?

Definitely Tendulkar if you look at the leading bowlers during his career. Ponting through obviously no fault of his own lol, never faced the best bowlers at his time who were McGrath and Warne.

 

[The Passenger]

You can argue till your blue in the face of who is the best batsmen of the modern era but it really achieves nothing.

One thing I really do hope for is Sanga can play long enough, and hold his form long enough to pass Tendulkar for test runs, and test centuries too would be nice. The offended from Indian cricket fans would be hilarious to watch.

 

[BORK]

The interesting thing about Sangakarra at the moment is his career trajectory. If he maintains the form of his last 8 years for another 2 years then retires he would likely have an average of around 62 and over 14000 test runs. Big hypothetical but if he did do that and pull the plug when still at the top like Warne it would be very hard to argue against him being second only to Bradman with the bat.