Environment LA Wildfires

[Frank Bunn]

Great, another climate change denier.

Facts:

• 99% of climate scientists agree climate change is happening https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966
• The worlds temperature has increased by at least 1.1°C since the Industrial Revolution.
• The rate of warming has increased from an average of 0.06°C a decade from 1850 to 0.20°C from 1982. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature but here's a chart from the site -

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• A major problem of the increased temperature is the higher frequency of "whiplash" conditions it creates (rapidly changing wet and dry periods).
• The higher temperature causes the atmosphere to absorb, evaporate and release more water which creates more intense climate events such as flooding and drought.
• Specifically related to LA - "Decades of drought in California were followed by extremely heavy rainfall for two years in 2022 and 2023, but that then flipped again to very dry conditions in the autumn and winter of 2024." (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewe4p9128o).
• The more intense periods of rain allow more growth and this is literally more fuel for fires when the more intense, prolonged drier periods set in which also dry the vegetation faster. Therefore more vegetation that's more vulnerable to burning.

You can say you don't deny climate change and were just applying your cherry picked data ("iT's BeEn DrY bEfOrE!!") but I'd bet my life you'd use the same argument for any future natural disaster, thus again denying the role of climate change.

This is the one and only reply I'll be making to you on this subject. I've seen your similar bullshit arguments about diversity in film and tv and won't be getting dragged down into something similar. I've wasted enough time on this reply already.

If you are going to give a bunch of copy and paste about global climate change you need to show how it has impacted local conditions. I'm giving you recorded data from a US government website for LA between 1950 and 2024. I supplied the link. You are welcome to check for yourself.

There were no 'decades of drought'. 2022 had low rainfall, 2023 was high. As I said, there has been very little rain after March 2024, but that's not exceptional. This is how it looks over time.



The LA temperature record doesn't show a significant upward trend in recent years. The hottest year was 1959. The mean for 2024 was below average.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The point is, climate change or not, mitigation strategies need to be prioritised much more aggressively and generously funded. Politics should not be at the forefront. It’s the same in our country.

Building houses in flood-prone, or densely vegetated and difficult to access areas, is a hazard, as acknowledged by insurance companies. Building and environmental regulations imposed by Green councils often don’t take into account the potential dangers. (Don’t know how it works in USA but likely similar.)

If you think you KNOW that fires and floods are likely, indeed imminent, it’s sensible to plan ahead. Do your duty to your constituents.

 

[Mofra]

If you are going to give a bunch of copy and paste about global climate change you need to show how it has impacted local conditions. I'm giving you recorded data from a US government website for LA between 1950 and 2024. I supplied the link. You are welcome to check for yourself.

There were no 'decades of drought'. 2022 had low rainfall, 2023 was high. As I said, there has been very little rain after March 2024, but that's not exceptional. This is how it looks over time.

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The LA temperature record doesn't show a significant upward trend in recent years. The hottest year was 1959. The mean for 2024 was below average.

You've already been directed to a study (by more than one poster) that shows that rainfall and temperature are not the only inputs.

You can lead a horse to water, etc etc

 

[Frank Bunn]

You've already been directed to a study (by more than one poster) that shows that rainfall and temperature are not the only inputs.

I had a look. Climate change can mean anything when chasing a research grant. More rain, less rain. More or less tropical storms. Warmer winters, cooler winters. In this case you have 'hydroclimate whiplash events'. From that study.

lack of a uniform definition of hydroclimate volatility

offset between the magnitude of observed and modelled trends also highlights a key issue of concern

it is possible that the Earth experienced an ‘unlikely’ iteration of natural variability during the observational period

despite high confidence in the sign of future trends in global-scale hydroclimate whiplash, substantial uncertainties remain with respect to their magnitude and spatial pattern.

 

[Ivelisse]

I had a look. Climate change can mean anything when chasing a research grant. More rain, less rain. More or less tropical storms. Warmer winters, cooler winters. In this case you have 'hydroclimate whiplash events'. From that study.

lack of a uniform definition of hydroclimate volatility

offset between the magnitude of observed and modelled trends also highlights a key issue of concern

it is possible that the Earth experienced an ‘unlikely’ iteration of natural variability during the observational period

despite high confidence in the sign of future trends in global-scale hydroclimate whiplash, substantial uncertainties remain with respect to their magnitude and spatial pattern.

Gary Orsum energy

 

[Chief]

I had a look.

Did you? With your eyes?

 

[revo333]

So I was incorrect in thinking this was mostly just wealthy celebrities in the Malibu hills?

I spent a week in Malibu in 2018.

The houses right along the beach would mostly be celebrity types but I had a walk through a few suburbs more inland and while you probably have to earn a nice living not every house looked in great shape and not everyone wearing designer clothes.

 

[revo333]

One of the reasons LA has a lot of homeless people is that it doesn't rain there much and even in winter it doesn't get that cold.

They will have even more homeless people there now including some celebrities.

New York made an effort in the 80's and 90's to get rid of the homeless and a lot ended up moving to San Francisco and LA.

 

[Ivelisse]

Probably not too many homeless in the 1980s and 1990s people who are alive & homeless in 2025.

I think homeless people live wherever they happened to be when they became homeless. You can probably draw the dark conclusion as to why there may be less around in frostbitey places.

 

[Chief]

Probably not too many homeless in the 1980s and 1990s people who are alive & homeless in 2025.

Homeless people have homeless babies who become homeless adults. Everyone knows that!

 

[rocker_oz33]

Homeless people have homeless babies who become homeless adults. Everyone knows that!

Do BF mods children become BF mods as adults.

On this info .
Just saying .

 

[Chief]

Do BF mods children become BF mods as adults.

On this info .
Just saying .

Interesting.

 

[Present Not Past]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/la-fire-arsonist-accused-of-starting-fire-in-celeb-enclave-is-arrested/news-story/bddb2d3f73b61340240ace3444189b31

I was right, deliberately lit.

 

[nobbyiscool]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/la-fire-arsonist-accused-of-starting-fire-in-celeb-enclave-is-arrested/news-story/bddb2d3f73b61340240ace3444189b31

I was right, deliberately lit.

You must feel great about being able to point out the bleeding obvious in the midst of tragedy, I'm really glad you pointed it out to everyone.

 

[Present Not Past]

You must feel great about being able to point out the bleeding obvious in the midst of tragedy, I'm really glad you pointed it out to everyone.

I read your post, as you knew I would.

 

[revo333]

Probably not too many homeless in the 1980s and 1990s people who are alive & homeless in 2025.

I think homeless people live wherever they happened to be when they became homeless. You can probably draw the dark conclusion as to why there may be less around in frostbitey places.

They go to California because other parts in America try and get rid of them.

In California they are allowed to be.