Lachie Neale wants to come home to fremantle [or does he?!?]

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[Sweet Jesus]

You didn't read my post did you? Like I said why limit what you can get back to just Brisbane? We can get better deals by offering either #6 or #8 to other suitors if we want multiple 1st round picks.

I read it.

I'm not sure how many options there will be to get two first-rounders back from one club. How many clubs are going to have two first-rounders this year?

 

[Peter001]

Lachie Left the club when we were desperate for leadership and needing stability. He was an established, solid and respected player in our leadership group when he was with us. He has been great for Brisbane in the past 3 years (this year his worse), but he still couldn't get Brisbane into a grand final.

We are a different team than what we were 3 years ago. With a different coach and a different system heading in a different direction. Take our picks to the draft and stick to the plan that the club is taking.

His whole move to Brisbane that helped get us Hogan was a ballz up.... We need to move on because you just know we will somehow get burnt again. Of course if there is a deal that suits us without losing anything damaging then sure, but we all know it wont be.

 

[Taylor]

Not really. There's only one possible destination. It's a question of whether Fremantle offers something that justifies Brisbane letting him walk despite being contracted. I assume they will.

This assumes an auction scenario which never occurs in practice. Even if it did, WC aren't in a position to offer anything more than Freo.

As far as I see it the demand is Neale wanting to return home and for Brisbane to retain Neale or be compensated, Fremantle is the supply.

Freo doesn't have an obligation to pay for Neale's wants to eventuate just as Brisbane doesn't have to surrender to the lower offer.

The risk for all parties isn't equal.

Neale could find himself contracted for two seasons a club he isn't playing at because he chose to be in Perth for "mental health reasons".
Brisbane could find themselves paying a player $800,000 a year to watch the Lions on TV.
Fremantle could continue with it's plan to draft and develop youth with a bounty of high draft picks and lots of WA players on the board.

 

[heavho]

Does freo have any future picks to trade? Give them a second rounder this year and future first rounder not necessarily going to be top 10 ?

 

[arsesmart]

Surely we assume Freo have been talking to Neale via his management during the season. Does anyone really think this has come out of nowhere in the past 3 days?

There was some talk of a brief chat with Freo, but of course that could easily be speculation. The word out of Brisvegas after they talked to him yesterday was that Neale was still grappling with the issue and there's no trade request yet. Conceivably, given how pregnancies are a varied journey, it is entirely believable that it's something that has only coalesced over the past week or two and could very much change again over the next few.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Some Brisbane posters reckon his value has actually gone up since we traded him. If their list management feel the same way, there is no way a deal will get done. Surely we would only be willing to trade if his value is less than what Brisbane paid, which is fair for a 28 yr old (recently injured) vs 25 yr old uninjured. If they start pointing to the AA's and Brownlow we need to stand firm or walk away.
I might be blinkered but he is very much the same player as he's always been, but the limelight from the initial trade and playing in a winning team as #1 mid thrust him over the line for those awards.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

There was some talk of a brief chat with Freo, but of course that could easily be speculation. The word out of Brisvegas after they talked to him yesterday was that Neale was still grappling with the issue and there's no trade request yet. Conceivably, given how pregnancies are a varied journey, it is entirely believable that it's something that has only coalesced over the past week or two and could very much change again over the next few.

I'm not sure it's "entirely believable". As if Fremantle were surprised by this.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

As far as I see it the demand is Neale wanting to return home and for Brisbane to retain Neale or be compensated, Fremantle is the supply.

Freo doesn't have an obligation to pay for Neale's wants to eventuate just as Brisbane doesn't have to surrender to the lower offer.

The risk for all parties isn't equal.

Neale could find himself contracted for two seasons a club he isn't playing at because he chose to be in Perth for "mental health reasons".
Brisbane could find themselves paying a player $800,000 a year to watch the Lions on TV.
Fremantle could continue with it's plan to draft and develop youth with a bounty of high draft picks and lots of WA players on the board.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

 

[Taylor]

I'm not sure it's "entirely believable". As if Fremantle were surprised by this.

I suspect that his manager identified 4 years of $750k not being committed to by Cerra that would be available as an opportunity to return his client home for family reasons.

 

[Taylor]

I'm not sure what point you're making.

The point I'm making is that Fremantle will be ok if we don't get Neale back.

Brisbane and Neale will not do as well.

The onus to get a deal done isn't on Fremantle, so if we offer #27 and say take it or leave it I'm happy to not get Neale and Brisbane are happy to not get the pick and Neale is happy to move to Perth and get paid for not playing.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I suspect that his manager identified 4 years of $750k not being committed to by Cerra that would be available as an opportunity to return his client home for family reasons.

And Fremantle were none the wiser until the weekend?

The point I'm making is that Fremantle will be ok if we don't get Neale back.

Brisbane and Neale will not do as well.

The onus to get a deal done isn't on Fremantle, so if we offer #27 and say take it or leave it I'm happy to not get Neale and Brisbane are happy to not get the pick and Neale is happy to move to Perth and get paid for not playing.

I'm not interested in arguing about who has "leverage". That's a false economy.

Assuming the reports are true, I expect a deal will get done. And I expect it will value Neale at something around pick 10.

 

[arsesmart]

I'm not sure it's "entirely believable". As if Fremantle were surprised by this.

I'm not sure it's "entirely believable". As if Fremantle were surprised by this.

I guess you believe what you want to believe. But knowing how decision making often works and the varying influences for varying individuals, (logically) yes it is entirely believable. Freo may not be surprised right now, but that doesn't mean they knew about this months ago.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I guess you believe what you want to believe. But knowing how decision making often works and the varying influences for varying individuals, (logically) yes it is entirely believable. Freo may not be surprised right now, but that doesn't mean they knew about this months ago.

So Neale has been weighing up a return to Fremantle without Fremantle knowing about it? No, I don't think that's believable.

That's not to say they were actively pursuing Neale. But I find it hard to accept that they weren't alert to the possibility.

 

[salim malik]

The point I'm making is that Fremantle will be ok if we don't get Neale back.

Brisbane and Neale will not do as well.

The onus to get a deal done isn't on Fremantle, so if we offer #27 and say take it or leave it I'm happy to not get Neale and Brisbane are happy to not get the pick and Neale is happy to move to Perth and get paid for not playing.

Spot on, it should be a take it or leave it offer. If Brisbane balk , that's ok no hard feelings. Fremantle move on.

 

[wayToGo_]

Now that we've all thought "Sweet Jesus" at the various nonsensical things you've said in this thread it might be time to depart the Freo board. Thanks for coming.

 

[arsesmart]

So Neale has been weighing up a return to Fremantle without Fremantle knowing about it? No, I don't think that's believable.

That's not to say they were actively pursuing Neale. But I find it to accept that they weren't alert to the possibility.

It's the timing of the decision that's at question. It's likely there would've been feelers put out once the decision-making process had reached a certain level. But the argument I was responding to was that the decision had to have been made for some time. It's entirely believable that it hasn't and in fact, the latest evidence suggests that it's still ongoing.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Now that we've all thought "Sweet Jesus" at the various nonsensical things you've said in this thread it might be time to depart the Freo board. Thanks for coming.

What was nonsensical?

Neale valued at around pick 10? You don't agree?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You guys should hear Gerard Whateley stitching you up on SEN.

He reckons it's two first-rounders straight up. Pick 6 as the starting point and then something in the teens as well.

Because "he's not an old 28".

 

[Bigger]

What was nonsensical?

Neale valued at around pick 10? You don't agree?

C'mon, champ - this isn't West Coast lowering the knickers for Topcat Kelly.

 

[Big Animal]

And Fremantle were none the wiser until the weekend?

I'm not interested in arguing about who has "leverage". That's a false economy.

Assuming the reports are true, I expect a deal will get done. And I expect it will value Neale at something around pick 10.

I agree with your valuation. Some of us on here, however, think it is too high a price for Freo.

As I said in another thread, if Neale costs Freo their pick 8(10), they will have found a diamond at pick 58 on draft night, then p5ssed it down the toilet giving up the opportunity to draft 2x top ten players by giving Brisbane two top 10 picks to borrow Neale for 3 years during his peak. Part of that was on the club for taking the ever unreliable Hogan, but backing it up again should see Bell sack himself.

 

[Polo342]

You guys should hear Gerard Whateley stitching you up on SEN.

He reckons it's two first-rounders straight up. Pick 6 as the starting point and then something in the teens as well.

Because "he's not an old 28".

Its funny though. We will walk away at this cost lols

 

[Taylor]

Because "he's not an old 28".

He's 29 in May and like I've said previously has skipped end of seasons surgery maybe twice in his entire career.

He was always carrying something with us, he's added more to that at Brisbane.

 

[wayToGo_]

What was nonsensical?

Neale valued at around pick 10? You don't agree?

Right here, this post of yours is nonsensical. I've already replied to you twice saying #10 was about the right mark but using #6 and #8 as part of the trade was nonsensical, as was your post suggesting that. Shall we do the circular dance so you can fail again at attempting a straw man?

 

[Bigger]

You guys should hear Gerard Whateley stitching you up on SEN.

He reckons it's two first-rounders straight up. Pick 6 as the starting point and then something in the teens as well.

Because "he's not an old 28".

He's not really stitching anybody up. He's prattling on like a pencilnecked grand-aunt. That's his schtick.

If you like that sort of thing, that's cool too. We're a pretty tolerant bunch.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

C'mon, champ - this isn't West Coast lowering the knickers for Topcat Kelly.

A bit rich.