Lachie Neale wants to come home to fremantle [or does he?!?]

What is the most you’re willing to pay without microwaving the membership

  • Pick 8 and a 2nd

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    Votes: 41 25.3%

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    Votes: 44 27.2%

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Retzlaff said:
Relax guys, Bell has just confirmed we aren’t interested.


“We have been undertaking a due diligence process as part of a possible trade to secure Lachie Neale,” Bell said.

“As part of that process, we have had discussions with Lachie, the player’s management and Brisbane.

“While discussions were proceeding it became clear that what Brisbane would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet.

“As such, we have informed Brisbane and Lachie’s management that we will not be continuing further with the due diligence process.”
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Translation, we talked to Brissie and they want 6 first round picks and our first born children, we offered them next years 3rd and they didn't bite. See you in the last half hour of trade week.
 
Tygrys said:
A lot of us are looking from the outside in amazement that there is anyone at Fremantle even considering Neale.

He dumped you, he's 29 next year, think of the Bryce Gibbs and Dayne Beams trades! You potentially have a great draft hand, apparently a tonne of quality WA youth available to pick from and yet somehow this is being contemplated? You'd only consider this if you were in the premiership window and I'm sorry but at Neales age he'll be gone by the time you're in it. He is just not worth a first rounder for where you are at the present moment. Plus there is that pesky principle thing again.

Someone needs to be slapped a few times on the face or have a bucket of water thrown over their head. Geez I don't even support the Dockers and the thought pisses me off. Seriously guys!
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77nenks said:
Hi guys, just a quick question. . .if we are so desperate to get a top end mid that is aproaching the end of his career in the next 3-5 years... Why not go for Luke Parker instead of Lachie Neale. It will not cost us anything (draft wise) apart from the money that we had put aside for Cerra. And we would still keep all of our 1st round picks. Then in 2 years time when Lachie finishes his contract with the lions we could pick him up for a second round pick as we are about to push into the top 4?
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Retzlaff said:
Relax guys, Bell has just confirmed we aren’t interested.


“We have been undertaking a due diligence process as part of a possible trade to secure Lachie Neale,” Bell said.

“As part of that process, we have had discussions with Lachie, the player’s management and Brisbane.

“While discussions were proceeding it became clear that what Brisbane would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet.

“As such, we have informed Brisbane and Lachie’s management that we will not be continuing further with the due diligence process.”
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I just don’t see why we would do the trade this year. Lachie isn’t the difference between us and a grand final next year and in contract so the price will be ridiculous. I’d go to the draft and grab the best 4 players possible. Come back next year and use our top 2 picks in the draft and offer a R3 and F2 for Neale or PSD/DFA. At that point he will likely help take us deep into finals and the cost would benefit us.
 
Jonno Browns comments in the media are that Brisbane will do a deal but it will be favourable to the Lions.

If Garlick is true to his word about objectivity, if that is to be the case then we HAVE to walk away from the outset.

I’m in the ‘get Neale’ camp but it has to be on our terms and we pay somewhere between unders to a fair price. I don’t care about his contract, it keeps getting brought up but it has absolutely no bearing for us, we have no obligation here. It’s down to how compassionate Brisbane are willing to be to get someone home.

This is a huge test of mettle for Bell and Garlick, they are clearly interested to get him back but if it’s on Brisbane’s terms they have failed us.
 
Fat Nyfe said:
Jonno Browns comments in the media are that Brisbane will do a deal but it will be favourable to the Lions.

If Garlick is true to his word about objectivity, if that is to be the case then we HAVE to walk away from the outset.

I’m in the ‘get Neale’ camp but it has to be on our terms and we pay somewhere between unders to a fair price. I don’t care about his contract, it keeps getting brought up but it has absolutely no bearing for us, we have no obligation here. It’s down to how compassionate Brisbane are willing to be to get someone home.

This is a huge test of mettle for Bell and Garlick, they are clearly interested to get him back but if it’s on Brisbane’s terms they have failed us.
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Prepare to be disappointed.
 
A few points here:
1. Seems to be a sense that because Neale has already had 70% of his contract front loaded and paid out, the Lions can ask for more to make up for the fact that they are losing out on his “cheap” years.
Those work experience hacks at AFL.com.au wrote an article on it yesterday.
Eh - WTF? It’s not our problem that brisbane front loaded the contract!! Why the fcuk should Fremantle compensate brisbane extra coz they took a chance on a front loaded deal? I don’t remember hearing any of this kinda crap when Brad hill left is, or when Neale left us either.
2. Is there a player we could give brisbane that would actually be of value to them. What about someone like Joel Hamling? Or Rory Lobb? Someone in that age bracket that could help protect our draft capital a bit in any trade?
3. If we somehow managed to get a hold of the bulldogs pick 14, maybe via some second round picks bundled up, I would look to trade that for Neale, maybe with a player heading across as steak knives too.
we simply cannot sell the farm.
4. If we waited till next year - what would he be worth then? One first round pick maybe? How much less would we need to trade out if Neale stays in Brisbane one more year?
 
Dockeroo said:
A few points here:
1. Seems to be a sense that because Neale has already had 70% of his contract front loaded and paid out, the Lions can ask for more to make up for the fact that they are losing out on his “cheap” years.
Those work experience hacks at AFL.com.au wrote an article on it yesterday.
Eh - WTF? It’s not our problem that brisbane front loaded the contract!! Why the fcuk should Fremantle compensate brisbane extra coz they took a chance on a front loaded deal? I don’t remember hearing any of this kinda crap when Brad hill left is, or when Neale left us either.
2. Is there a player we could give brisbane that would actually be of value to them. What about someone like Joel Hamling? Or Rory Lobb? Someone in that age bracket that could help protect our draft capital a bit in any trade?
3. If we somehow managed to get a hold of the bulldogs pick 14, maybe via some second round picks bundled up, I would look to trade that for Neale, maybe with a player heading across as steak knives too.
we simply cannot sell the farm.
4. If we waited till next year - what would he be worth then? One first round pick maybe? How much less would we need to trade out if Neale stays in Brisbane one more year?
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Split 6 from Carlton into two late teens, one of those and a second is fair from our side as a club with no obligation in this scenario.
Or if we can somehow turn 8 and 6 into a handful of later first rounders, they can have their 2 firsts (both late).
Happy to offer a steak knives player like Acres/Tucker/Blakely with that or leave the deal if Bris aren't happy.

We'd still have 8 and a late teens pick, or at worst two mid-late first rounders to draft some WA forwards (who are tipped to go later anyway) and we secure Neale.
Ultimately we need to walk away with two top 20 picks along with Neale to continue our list strategy successfully, otherwise take a much stronger hand to the draft without Neale.

If the final outcome is Neale + pick 14 or so for Cerra and our first rounder, or a similar scenario with our future first traded out, it's an objective failure.
 
Are we required to trade away everything for every player that would like to play for us?

If there were a list of elite players who wanted to come to Freo then Neale would be at the bottom of the list because of his previous walking out on us.
 
Taylor said:
Are we required to trade away everything for every player that would like to play for us?

If there were a list of elite players who wanted to come to Freo then Neale would be at the bottom of the list because of his previous walking out on us.
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Deals like this tend to get done in the AFL though. It’s quite unique actually. I don’t think for example the eagles were too into Tim Kelly but they traded for him in the end.
 
Taylor said:
As far as I see it the demand is Neale wanting to return home and for Brisbane to retain Neale or be compensated, Fremantle is the supply.

Freo doesn't have an obligation to pay for Neale's wants to eventuate just as Brisbane doesn't have to surrender to the lower offer.

The risk for all parties isn't equal.

Neale could find himself contracted for two seasons a club he isn't playing at because he chose to be in Perth for "mental health reasons".
Brisbane could find themselves paying a player $800,000 a year to watch the Lions on TV.
Fremantle could continue with it's plan to draft and develop youth with a bounty of high draft picks and lots of WA players on the board.
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That is how I see it. Just play a low key background game with the negotiations.

Neale potentially opens up a premiership/top 4 tilt in the next 2-4 years (and if he doesn't, don't get him). But selling the farm to get him massively reduces that potential premiership tilt.

If we are clear on our list needs and confident we can fill them, do a trade. But if we end with Neale and our familiar list issues, big fail.
 
Dockeroo said:
Deals like this tend to get done in the AFL though. It’s quite unique actually. I don’t think for example the eagles were too into Tim Kelly but they traded for him in the end.
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The Eagles were very into Kelly. They had tried to get him the previous year and then went back to trade the next year. Thats why they paid so much.
 
If it were Caleb Serong heading back to Victoria & not Cerra, then this news would be an absolute godsend, but Freo it’s not.
Please do not give up an Erasmus or even a Johnson for a positional mid we do not require. Plus it’s for a player who walked out on us to go to a ’better’ club. I really disliked him for that & we have managed to replace him, which set us back by a year or 2, but we are now better for it.
End, little rant.
 
ForzaRoma said:
You might not like to hear because you're looking for a bargain. And I don't blame you as I would doing the same. But Neale is contracted and he's a better player than what he was when he left you guys. There's a reason why the AFL media is saying he's worth two firsts, because that is his worth. I think it would be smarter if you went to the draft, but I would be happy with two of your firsts if he came to your club.
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I don't think we are looking for a bargain. I think we are looking for:
- a KPF (or 2)
- a Cerra replacement (a running, tall, outside leaning midfielder with excellent disposal)
- a quality medium forward

Not expecting them to be a bargain. Expecting them to cost at least a first round pick at the draft, plus a couple of years of development.
 
dockerfemme said:
I have been thinking about this a lot. I don't feel I understand trading values very well because trades often stump me, but I am an analytical person who likes numbers and this is what makes sense to me.

Brisbane paid 6, 19 and 55 and got 30 and Lachie Neale back in the trade. This is the equivalent of pick 3 by draft pick values, apparently.

Brisbane headhunted Neale because they perceived he was exactly what they needed.

They probably thought they were getting a player for 6 to 8 years (his last season would have come when he was 31 to 33 yo). They probably thought his best years were highly likely in front of him with 3-4 years of his best football, which may have been better than anything seen from him at that point. All of that is probably an assessment that looks solid.

So now, he is a player with 3 to 5 years to come, with possibly 1 or 2 years of his best football in front of him.

Looking at all that, if he was assessed by a club that perceived he was exactly what they needed (as Brisbane did 3 years ago), he would look to be worth about 2/3 of his value 3 years ago, at best. This is the equivalent of pick 9 by draft pick values, apparently. (I know draft pick values are questionable, but they are what we have).

If Brisbane paid a reasonable price for him, I can't see how he could be valued far outside this assessment.

If you consider that he isn't exactly what Freo needs, he has had an injury interrupted season and his weakest year statistically since 2015 or earlier, and he is looking like a bit of a selfish twit, for me he is worth quite a lot less than pick 9 for Freo.
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Interesting analysis. Another item. Brisbane turned him into a habitual contract breaker. We have no way of knowing if he will fulfil his obligations to us. "Backload" the trade by using a future pick.
 

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