What the heck? Laidley interested in coaching Eagles AFLW

[GWT6]

Ok allow me to state it a different way - is there a solid reason apart from wanting to look ultra progressive in a certain area - to overlook the very obviously bad reasons to not consider Laid
And yes full disclosure, being full ley as coach.

And yes I am not caucasian. Being from a certain culture I am not as comfortable with the trans stuff as you may be. My point still stands though on the stalking and the meth. And the general media circus that West Coast of all clubs really doesn't need right now.

So instead of going through the whole charade saying that there was no reason for her to be considered an AFLW coach, then trying to lie and make it about something else - why didn't you just be honest just say you are a bigot? Would have saved a lot of time.

 

[Chicken Treat]

Meanwhile other ex players cannot get close to such roles despite undergoing substantial and successful rehabilitation for their alcohol and/or drug problems.

 

[GWT6]

It’s a fair rap sheet, but I’m sure a lot of it was related to Dani’s state of mind a few years back dealing with gender dysphoria. Time to move on.

I'm really torn on the one. There was some serious charges involved.

I believe in rehabilitation and second chances, but there would be a lot of evidence to show that she has changed and is remorseful. Not like Carey, Mathews, Hird, Jobe, Thomson. It's a disgrace that any of them were allowed back inti the AFL industry while showing no remorse for their actions.

 

[GWT6]

Meanwhile other ex players cannot get close to such roles despite undergoing substantial and successful rehabilitation for their alcohol and/or drug problems.

Who?

 

[WestCoast05]

So instead of going through the whole charade saying that there was no reason for her to be considered an AFLW coach, then trying to lie and make it about something else - why didn't you just be honest just say you are a bigot? Would have saved a lot of time.

Why am I a bigot? Do I have to be comfortable with it? Trans people can do what they like, I'm being honest and saying it's not for me in order to be intellectually honest while debating the subject that possibly because Laidley is trans that a whole rap sheet that should have NOBODY in a coaching position is being publicly considered.
(Which personally I think is fake, I could be wrong but doubt the consideration is real behind closed doors except for any other reason than optics)

But you would never be honest and admit that you think your worldview is culturally elite compared to the coloured world. I could easily call you a bigot and a racist also since you think you are superior than them. Works both ways.

 

[ZionMig22]

AFL has dug themselves far too deep in this

He will eventually get a coaching gig somewhere

 

[GWT6]

Why am I a bigot? Do I have to be comfortable with it? Trans people can do what they like, I'm being honest and saying it's not for me in order to be intellectually honest while debating the subject that possibly because Laidley is trans that a whole rap sheet that should have NOBODY in a coaching position is being publicly considered.
(Which personally I think is fake, I could be wrong but doubt the consideration is real behind closed doors except for any other reason than optics)

But you would never be honest and admit that you think your worldview is culturally elite compared to the coloured world. I could easily call you a bigot and a racist also since you think you are superior than them. Works both ways.

You're a bigot because you believe that she shouldn't coach because you have an issue with Trans people.

Not hating people based on sexuality and gender does not make me culturally elite, it just makes me not a shit human. You need to stop hiding behind cultural bullshit, and stop being a bigot.

 

[GWT6]

This is your original post



Don't try and spin this that people are racist against you and you were just talking about her rap sheet. You are a bigot.

 

[IAMDASH]

I'm not over the whole Dean/Dani criminal convictions, but would possibly struggle to pass a Working with Children check? I'm sure this would be a requirement to coach at AFL/W level in 2023 (and if not should be!)

 

[GWT6]

I'm not over the whole Dean/Dani criminal convictions, but would possibly struggle to pass a Working with Children check? I'm sure this would be a requirement to coach at AFL/W level in 2023 (and if not should be!)

I think there would need to be some serious extenuating circumstances and proof of rehabilitation for anyone with her record to be employed by a sporting team. But who knows with the AFL industry, just depends she she's still mates with.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

Why am I a bigot? Do I have to be comfortable with it? Trans people can do what they like, I'm being honest and saying it's not for me in order to be intellectually honest while debating the subject that possibly because Laidley is trans that a whole rap sheet that should have NOBODY in a coaching position is being publicly considered.
(Which personally I think is fake, I could be wrong but doubt the consideration is real behind closed doors except for any other reason than optics)

But you would never be honest and admit that you think your worldview is culturally elite compared to the coloured world. I could easily call you a bigot and a racist also since you think you are superior than them. Works both ways.

Don't even bother engaging with people like this WC05 once they've shown their true colours and intentions. Believe me, their intent is to label and pidgeon hole you, while trying to make themselves seem so high and mighty, the plebs cannot even see them. You cannot win, they just keep coming and coming with their buzz words and moral superiority.

This isn't about Laidley for them, it's about themselves.

Nothing you have said is bigoted, but it was invetiable that someone tried it on given the topic at hand. Stick to engaging with people who are prepared to converse in good faith and don't want to ram their narratives down your throat at every opportunity, you'll find things a lot better around here. It's actually ridiculously easy not to quote people whose opinions you don't have respect for and the results are often quite funny when they know they're being ignored.

 

[Obeanie1]

How is this a ‘What the Heck?’

Seems like a no-brainer if she’s keen to return to coaching?

Depends on the playing group.

Could work.

Could be a disaster.

 

[PatsFitztrick]

I see this as a troubled individual crying out for attention.
And the media are happy to oblige.

 

[WestCoast05]

You're a bigot because you believe that she shouldn't coach because you have an issue with Trans people.

Not hating people based on sexuality and gender does not make me culturally elite, it just makes me not a s**t human. You need to stop hiding behind cultural bullshit, and stop being a bigot.

No, but you're nearly there - I believe the rap sheet shouldn't be ignored just BECAUSE she's trans.

But I'll help you along - if the counter argument beyond simply "herp derp blerrr bigot" is one of the fact that other coaches with similar charges have still been able to coach then that is fine. That's a good counter argument if true even if is just whataboutism (looking at that list of charges I doubt any coach has similar charges though).

And yeah I don't desire to be around transexuals. I'm not used to it, never had it in my life before and it's not part of my cultural background or any of my circles. And I can't be forced to celebrate it.

I'm all for free adult humans doing whatever they want with their freedom though that doesn't physically harm another human.

 

[St 07]

If Luke Beveridge was convicted of stalking and possessing meth, would the public be super stoked that he's then interested in coaching a vulnerable group of people?

 

[Altum Volantes]

If Luke Beveridge was convicted of stalking and possessing meth, would the public be super stoked that he's then interested in coaching a vulnerable group of people?

Are you sure that is the only reason why you have ‘concerns’ here?…

Come on now..

 

[webbo_83]

If Luke Beveridge was convicted of stalking and possessing meth, would the public be super stoked that he's then interested in coaching a vulnerable group of people?

Laidley wasn't convicted of stalking and the possession charges were dropped.

I actually don't care whether she coaches again or is even considered for a coaching role again, but I do feel like there's a lot of misinformation out there about the charges she faced and what sentence she received.

 

[Engimal v3]

No thanks. Decent coach in her day, but shown too many issues to be in a leadership role.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

Laidley wasn't convicted of stalking and the possession charges were dropped.

I actually don't care whether she coaches again or is even considered for a coaching role again, but I do feel like there's a lot of misinformation out there about the charges she faced and what sentence she received.

Who's spreading misinformation?

Laidley plead guilty to stalking, end of story. Laidley was also found without doubt to have meth on their person when arrested. That's also beyond doubt.

Just because the judge was extremely leniant, didn't allow the victim impact statement to be read in court (shameful) and put Laidley into a diversion program and a good behaviour, suspended sentance - doesn't change the truth and what happened.

Laidley's rap sheet that i've posted numerous times in this thread are immutable facts.

 

[zeggie]

Why am I a bigot? Do I have to be comfortable with it? Trans people can do what they like, I'm being honest and saying it's not for me in order to be intellectually honest while debating the subject that possibly because Laidley is trans that a whole rap sheet that should have NOBODY in a coaching position is being publicly considered.
(Which personally I think is fake, I could be wrong but doubt the consideration is real behind closed doors except for any other reason than optics)

But you would never be honest and admit that you think your worldview is culturally elite compared to the coloured world. I could easily call you a bigot and a racist also since you think you are superior than them. Works both ways.

Yikes on bikes

 

[zeggie]

And yeah I don't desire to be around transexuals. I'm not used to it, never had it in my life before and it's not part of my cultural background or any of my circles. And I can't be forced to celebrate it.

Are you employed by the WC AFLW team? If not, why did you bother saying the above?

 

[rye]

seems like this thread is just a vehicle for certain people to be transphobes rather than discussion on whether laidley would be suitable for aflw coaching

 

[GROTTO]

I'm really torn on the one. There was some serious charges involved.

I believe in rehabilitation and second chances, but there would be a lot of evidence to show that she has changed and is remorseful. Not like Carey, Mathews, Hird, Jobe, Thomson. It's a disgrace that any of them were allowed back inti the AFL industry while showing no remorse for their actions.

These are the indiscretions by Carey.

WAYNE CAREY'S SCANDALS

1996: Carey is charged with indecent assault after allegedly grabbing a woman's breast.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Obeanie1]

AFL has dug themselves far too deep in this

He will eventually get a coaching gig somewhere

How?

It was the Vic Police who were arse holes about it.

How have the AFL dug themselves in too deep? Because they are a modern woke embracing competition?

 

[matthew_s]

Has Dani been doing any coaching since leaving the blues in 2015 and post mental health/substance/legal issues?

If not, you'd think that getting back into coaching at a lower level would be a required pre-requisite before putting your hand up for a senior coach gig.

It's hard to see any AFL/AFLW team employing her in any significant role without Dani doing some time at a lower level.

There's a path back to coaching for Dani if she wants it but it would require some pre-work before I can see any AFL/AFLW club taking that leap.