Lake Brownlow chances?

[MeestaNob]

Yeah, it's a long shot, no one notices full backs (or anything that isn't a midfielder for that matter), but he makes plays, kicks the occasional goal here and there and nullifies awesome forwards of all sizes.

Is he any hope whatsoever?

 

[100action]

none, we wont win enough games.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

0 chance

maybe lower

 

[PUSSIES_07_FLAG]

Less than Brian Harris.

 

[Barkly St End]

Yeah, it's a long shot, no one notices full backs (or anything that isn't a midfielder for that matter), but he makes plays, kicks the occasional goal here and there and nullifies awesome forwards of all sizes.

Is he any hope whatsoever?

PUtting aside the fact that we're both incredibly biased, but I am wondering whether I have ever seen a full back dominate games and rack up possessions as much as he does.

Scarlett's been pretty good the past six years or so, Lakes marking ability, along with offering options out of defence and setting play up has taken it to a new level.

We have to be perfectly honest here, he is prone to the odd clanger, but who wouldn't be getting so much of the ball.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

PUtting aside the fact that we're both incredibly biased, but I am wondering whether I have ever seen a full back dominate games and rack up possessions as much as he does.

Scarlett's been pretty good the past six years or so, Lakes marking ability, along with offering options out of defence and setting play up has taken it to a new level.

We have to be perfectly honest here, he is prone to the odd clanger, but who wouldn't be getting so much of the ball.

lakes still a fair way off scarlett in his prime, sorrry

come back when he is dominating players like lloyd and tredrea and still racking up the touches

 

[demondavey]

defenders dont win brownlow medals - its a bullshi* midfielders award, so Hodge will win it. Umpires have NO idea

 

[Barkly St End]

lakes still a fair way off scarlett in his prime, sorrry

come back when he is dominating players like lloyd and tredrea and still racking up the touches

IN case you didn't notice, I gave Scarlett the thumbs up - but did Scarlett ever take the number of contested marks that Lake takes week in week out?

Scarlett had a bit more dash about him in his prime, and better disposal with long kicks.

Nice touch re Lloyd and Tredrea though.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

IN case you didn't notice, I gave Scarlett the thumbs up - but did Scarlett ever take the number of contested marks that Lake takes week in week out?

Scarlett had a bit more dash about him in his prime, and better disposal with long kicks.

Nice touch re Lloyd and Tredrea though.

averaged about 1.5-2 contested marks a game in hs prime (03-05)

 

[flight23]

not a freaking chance in hell

but the thought crossed my mind when he went back today

but NO

 

[Banked.]

defenders dont win brownlow medals - its a bullshi* midfielders award, so Hodge will win it. Umpires have NO idea

So Hodge wouldn't be a worthy winner? If you look back over the past winners, you'll see that the umpires usually get it right.

Lake has zero chance, very good player, but won't win it.

 

[Damon_3388]

Re: What are Brian Lake's Brownlow Chances?

Just out of interest, here's how the Brownlow leaderboard would sit after Round 15 if determined by the Champion Data Player Ranking scores. Just the three highest individual CPDRS from each game, with no consideration for the scoreline.

2010 Leaderboard (after Round 15)
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn) - 21 (6 BOGs)
Gary Ablett (Geelong) - 20 (5 BOGs)
Brendon Goddard (St Kilda) - 17 (3 BOGs)
Michael Barlow (Fremantle) - 16 (3 BOGs)
Aaron Sandilands (Fremantle) - 16 (3 BOGs)
Paul Chapman (Geelong) - 15 (2 BOGs)
Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - 15 (3 BOGs)
Dane Swan (Collingwood) - 14 (4 BOGs)
Nick Dal Santo (St Kilda) - 13 (1 BOG)
Jimmy Bartel (Geelong) - 13 (4 BOGs)
Brian Lake (Western Bulldogs) - 13 (3 BOGs)
Jobe Watson (Essendon) - 12 (2 BOGs)
Chris Judd (Carlton) - 12 (2 BOGs)
Jonathan Brown (Brisbane) - 10 (3 BOGs)
Daniel Giansiracusa (Western Bulldogs) - 10 (2 BOGs)
Graham Johncock (Adelaide) - 10 (2 BOGs)
Nick Malceski (Sydney) - 10 (2 BOGs)
Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle) - 9 (2 BOGs)
James Podsiadly (Geelong) - 9 (2 BOGs)
Joel Selwood (Geelong) - 9
Travis Boak (Port Adelaide) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Adam Cooney (Western Bulldogs) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Lindsay Gilbee (Western Bulldogs) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) - 8
Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - 8 (1 BOG)
James McDonald (Melbourne) - 7 (1 BOG)
Richard Douglas (Adelaide) - 7 (2 BOGs)
Heath Shaw (Collingwood) - 7
Kade Simpson (Carlton) - 7 (2 BOGs)
Eddie Betts (Carlton) - 7 (1 BOG)
Jude Bolton (Sydney) - 7 (1 BOG)
Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - 7 (2 BOGs)
Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Simon Black (Brisbane) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Travis Cloke (Collingwood) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Matt Priddis (West Coast) - 6
Simon Goodwin (Adelaide) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Ryan O’Keefe (Sydney) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn) - 6 (1 BOG)
Michael Rischitelli (Brisbane) - 6 (1 BOG)
Brad Green (Melbourne) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Brent Stanton (Essendon) - 5 (1 BOG)
Steve Johnson (Geelong) - 5 (1 BOG)
Jack Trengove (Melbourne) - 5 (1 BOG)
Barry Hall (Western Bulldogs) - 5
Shane Tuck (Richmond) - 5 (1 BOG)
Brent Harvey (North Melbourne) - 5 (1 BOG)
Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - 5
Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood) - 5 (1 BOG)
Domenic Cassisi (Port Adelaide) - 5
David Rodan (Port Adelaide) - 5 (1 BOG)
Tom Rockliff (Brisbane) - 5 (1 BOG)
Jordan Russell (Carlton) - 4 (BOG)
Andrew Carrazzo (Carlton) - 4
Kieren Jack (Sydney) - 4
Daniel Hannebery (Sydney) - 4 (1 BOG)
Jamie Bennell (Melbourne) - 4
Lenny Hayes (St Kilda) - 4 (1 BOG)
Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - 4
Cameron Bruce (Melbourne) - 4 (1 BOG)
Travis Johnstone (Brisbane) - 4 (1 BOG)
Brent Moloney (Melbourne) - 4
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) - 4
Scott Thompson (Adelaide) - 4 (1 BOG)
Shane Mumford (Sydney) - 4 (1 BOG)
Kurt Tippett (Adelaide) - 4
Adam Goodes (Sydney) - 4 (1 BOG)
Kane Cornes (Port Adelaide) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jared Brennan (Brisbane) - 3 (1 BOG)
Ryan Griffen (Western Bulldogs) - 3
Stephen Gilham (Hawthorn) - 3 (1 BOG)
Daniel Bradshaw (Sydney) - 3
Luke Ball (Collingwood) - 3 (1 BOG)
Josh J. Kennedy (West Coast) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jordan Lewis (Hawthorn) - 3
David Hille (Essendon) - 3
Heath Scotland (Carlton) - 3
Ben Hudson (Western Bulldogs) - 3 (1 BOG)
Brent Staker (Brisbane) - 3 (1 BOG)
Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - 3 (1 BOG)
Marc Murphy (Carlton) - 3
Kepler Bradley (Fremantle) - 3 (1 BOG)
Stephen Milne (St Kilda) - 3
Ryan Houlihan (Carlton) - 3
Lindsay Thomas (North Melbourne) - 3 (1 BOG)
Chris Newman (Richmond) - 3 (1 BOG)
Brett Deledio (Richmond) - 3
Danyle Pearce (Port Adelaide) - 3
Ricky Henderson (Adelaide) - 3 (1 BOG)
Adam McPhee (Fremantle) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jason Winderlich (Essendon) - 3
Shannon Byrnes (Geelong) - 2
Campbell Brown (Hawthorn) - 2
Luke Power (Brisbane) - 2
Luke McPharlin (Fremantle) - 2
Jack Grimes (Melbourne) - 2
Jason Davenport (Port Adelaide) - 2
Mark Seaby (Sydney) - 2
Steven Baker (St Kilda) - 2
Steven Salopek (Port Adelaide) - 2
Ben McGlynn (Sydney) - 2
Rick Dyson (Essendon) - 2
Jarrod Harbrow (Western Bulldogs) - 2
Heath Grundy (Sydney) - 2
Brent Guerra (Hawthorn) - 2
Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide) - 2
Sharrod Wellingham (Collingwood) - 2
Tom Scully (Melbourne) - 2
Jefferey Garlett (Carlton) - 2
Dean Cox (West Coast) - 2
Brady Rawlings (North Melbourne) - 2
Daniel Jackson (Richmond) - 2
Leroy Jetta (Essendon) - 2
Ashley McGrath (Brisbane) - 2
Adam Selwood (West Coast) - 2
Dale Thomas (Collingwood) - 2
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - 2
Andrew Welsh (Essendon) - 2
Scott D. Thompson (North Melbourne) - 2
James Kelly (Geelong) - 2
Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide) - 2
Rhys Palmer (Fremantle) - 2
Daniel Connors (Richmond) - 2
Mark Jamar (Melbourne) - 2
Paul Bower (Carlton) - 1
Liam Anthony (North Melbourne) - 1
Leon Davis (Collingwood) - 1
Paul Haselby (Fremantle) - 1
Cameron Mooney (Geelong) - 1
Ivan Maric (Adelaide) - 1
Leigh Adams (North Melbourne) - 1
Harry Taylor (Geelong) - 1
Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney) - 1
Colin Sylvia (Melbourne) - 1
Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide) - 1
Alan Didak (Collingwood) - 1
Brad Sewell (Hawthorn) - 1
Tyson Edwards (Adelaide) - 1
Nathan Lovett-Murray (Essendon) - 1
David Mundy (Fremantle) - 1
Angus Monfries (Essendon) - 1
Kelvin Moore (Richmond) - 1
Nathan Bock (Adelaide) - 1
Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton) - 1
Daniel Rich (Brisbane) - 1
Angus Graham (Richmond) - 1
Nathan Grima (North Melbourne) - 1
Beau Waters (West Coast) - 1
Mark McVeigh (Essendon) - 1
Jay Schulz (Port Adelaide) - 1
Sam Fisher (St Kilda) - 1
Martin Mattner (Sydney) - 1
Brad Symes (Adelaide) - 1
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane) - 1
Darren Jolly (Collingwood) - 1
Jason Porplyzia (Adelaide) - 1
Clinton Jones (St Kilda) - 1
Matt Rosa (West Coast) - 1

Despite the CDPR being the best all-round statistical measurement of a player's impact on the game (due to all the factors that go into it), obviously statistics aren't everything, so make of that what you will.

 

[demondavey]

So Hodge wouldn't be a worthy winner? If you look back over the past winners, you'll see that the umpires usually get it right.

Lake has zero chance, very good player, but won't win it.

Haha, 'worthy winner' i like that one. Hodge has been great, but how can you overlook guys like Carey, Ablett, G.Jakovich, Scarlett, Fletcher, Pavlich, Dunstall or Franklin in 08? I mean come on mate, how important are these guys? have a serious think - hypothetical: Ess Vs Geel - Scarlett holds Lloyd (in career best form) to 1 goal and gets 20 touches, 3-4 contested marks and 15 effective kicks. cats win by 7 points. By comparison, Hird gets 36 touches - plays a brilliant game but cant win it for the team. Scarlett is by far the more influential imo. Is that fair?

 

[Roo Ted]

Is there any chance, anybody knows Lake Brownlow and where it is ?

 

[simba_]

I had a chance to go to Lake Brownlow, and boy was I in for a ride!

 

[flight23]

Brian Lake 501.00

 

[Barkly St End]

Brian Lake 501.00

He doesn't get that many possessions per game, but not far off.

 

[crownie]

lakes still a fair way off scarlett in his prime, sorrry

come back when he is dominating players like lloyd and tredrea and still racking up the touches

oohh Geelong supporters getting precious now

Franklins a better player then both and Lake dominates his a$$

Lake can beat opponents one on one, Scarlett has been a champ but people have always questioned his ability one on one.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

oohh Geelong supporters getting precious now

Franklins a better player then both and Lake dominates his a$$

Lake can beat opponents one on one, Scarlett has been a champ but people have always questioned his ability one on one.

08 qf - franklin 8 goals

lloyd never questioned scarlett's 1 on 1 abilities, in fact he said they were tthe best of anybody he played on (remember he also played on silvagni, hudghton and michael, all better 1 on 1 players than lake)

 

[lancaster]

08 qf - franklin 8 goals

lloyd never questioned scarlett's 1 on 1 abilities, in fact he said they were tthe best of anybody he played on (remember he also played on silvagni, hudghton and michael, all better 1 on 1 players than lake)

don't make me laugh

Lake has overtaken Scarlett now & the precious reaction of cats supporters says as much!

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

yeah we'll be a little insulted when someone talks sit about one of our players

also hudghton sits just behind scarlett as the best fb of the last decade and was a damn sight better than lake at shutting down a forward

don't take my word for it though, just ask matthew lloyd

 

[boydsno1]

08 qf - franklin 8 goals

lloyd never questioned scarlett's 1 on 1 abilities, in fact he said they were tthe best of anybody he played on (remember he also played on silvagni, hudghton and michael, all better 1 on 1 players than lake)

Im pretty sure morris started on him and it was lake that went on him later on in the game to slow him down. The way franklin started that game he should have kicked 20 lol.

 

[Cudi]

Im pretty sure morris started on him and it was lake that went on him later on in the game to slow him down. The way franklin started that game he should have kicked 20 lol.

Buddy only kicked two goals on Lake that night and six on Morris. Since that game Lake has dominated him.

 

[Dazb86]

Who really cares about the Lake vs Scarlett comparison?

I'm pretty happy with Lake and I'm sure the cats are happy with Scarlett.