Lake vs Scarlett

[winty]

So wait, you're saying Fevola is a better forward than Brown?

Fevola: 195 games, 600 goals
Brown: 192 games, 451 goals

That would suggest Fevola is a better forward, wouldn't it?

 

[GrandBlue]

Fevola: 195 games, 600 goals
Brown: 192 games, 451 goals

That would suggest Fevola is a better forward, wouldn't it?

Ha...hahahaha, no, it wouldn't. If you waltz into your local bar during the footy and claim infront of everyone that you think Fevola is a better forward than Brown, prepare to get laughed at. You can't exclusively measure forward comparisons on goals. When Fevola was at Carlton, he was their forward line, he was their only target and they only ever kicked to him (especially 06-09) so obviously, he was eating up a lot of easy goals. Brown is a completely different player, for starters, he's a CHF and spends a lot more time further away from the goals than Fev, and along with that, he wasn't always the only forward target (Lynch and Bradshaw). But when you watch both Fev and Brown play, Brown's clearly a far better player. Better mark, better field kick, bigger tank, stronger, taller, etc. If you honestly think Fev is a better player, then dream on.

 

[STC]

Did you read my post? yes, I'll concede Lake doesn't always get the best forward (for the same reason as Scarlett). However, anyone with common sense or anyone who has watched both players' games would know Lake's simply been a better/more influencial player. His game against Sydney speaks for itself. 11 marks (3 contested), 24 dispoals, 2 goals and provided a lot of fine rebound. Having watched Scarlett against Brisbane, he did a good job in stopping Fevola and Bradshaw, but not much else at all.

This is where my point about Scarlett being overrated comes in, while he's a good player, he just has to have 1 good game and he'll suddenly be considered the best FB ever or the best FB in the comp at the moment even though that's not necessarily the truth.

Because Scarlett had an opponent against Sydney, Lake didn't. There's a reason you can't remember who he was playing on. He could easily have taken Goodes when he was up forward and swapped with a midfielder when he went into the midfield, but he didn't. Lake is drifting forward because the Dogs need him to. The highest scoring team last year is now the 7th. Scarlett is coming back from a 4 week layoff with a serious back injury, and the rest of our team is in such good form that we don't need Scarlo to provide rebound at the moment. All you are proving right now is that Scarlett is a better Full Back and Lake is a better back pocket or half back.

Your last point is just stupid. He's played hundreds of good games, that's why he's considered one of the best FBs ever. Seriously, that makes no sense at all.

 

[STC]

Let's just say they are both great players.

Lake has been the better of the 2 these past 2 seasons, Scarlett before then was probably contending with Glass as to who the best full back is so Scarlett has probably been better over a longer period of time but he hasn't been the absolute best full back during that time as Glass and now Lake have both been better than him.

Lake has been better this season because he's played every game and Scarlett has missed 4. Last year we saw what the AA committee thought when they put Scarlo at FB and Lake in the back pocket. Lake is only a couple of years younger than Scarlett but his one AA at back pocket compared to Scarlett's 5 at Full Back says it all.

If you're asking who has been better over their career, you'd have to be braindead not to say Scarlett. If you're asking who has been better in 2010, then the answer is quite obviously the guy who's played twice as many games and is fully fit.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

Let's just say they are both great players.

Lake has been the better of the 2 these past 2 seasons, Scarlett before then was probably contending with Glass as to who the best full back is so Scarlett has probably been better over a longer period of time but he hasn't been the absolute best full back during that time as Glass and now Lake have both been better than him.

glass was never better than scarlett, he just looked good in a good team

he's been exposed now

 

[GrandBlue]

Because Scarlett had an opponent against Sydney, Lake didn't. There's a reason you can't remember who he was playing on. He could easily have taken Goodes when he was up forward and swapped with a midfielder when he went into the midfield, but he didn't. Lake is drifting forward because the Dogs need him to. The highest scoring team last year is now the 7th. Scarlett is coming back from a 4 week layoff with a serious back injury, and the rest of our team is in such good form that we don't need Scarlo to provide rebound at the moment. All you are proving right now is that Scarlett is a better Full Back and Lake is a better back pocket or half back.

Your last point is just stupid. He's played hundreds of good games, that's why he's considered one of the best FBs ever. Seriously, that makes no sense at all.

and you're saying I'm making stupid statements

For starters, Lake did have an opponent. You just proved you didn't watch the game. Just because he racked in a lot of disposals and marks doesn't mean he plays loose. His job is to run off his opponent and mark opposition kicks and he does this far better than any other player in the competition. The fact that he can kick a couple of goals is a mere bonus and if you actually watch out games, he rarely goes forward anyway.

Secondly, lol. If Scarlett can provide rebound, he would, but he isn't because he's getting too old and stale to run all day. When Geelong have the ball, he could easily just run off his man and let players like Hunt get a bit of rest but the fact is, Scarlett's no longer capable of that.

Thirdly, ok, now I'm not going to bother arguing anymore. If you think Lake's a back pocket, that says a lot about your football knowledge.

 

[Greg Brady]

Did you read my post? yes, I'll concede Lake doesn't always get the best forward (for the same reason as Scarlett). However, anyone with common sense or anyone who has watched both players' games would know Lake's simply been a better/more influencial player. His game against Sydney speaks for itself. 11 marks (3 contested), 24 dispoals, 2 goals and provided a lot of fine rebound. Having watched Scarlett against Brisbane, he did a good job in stopping Fevola and Bradshaw, but not much else at all.

This is where my point about Scarlett being overrated comes in, while he's a good player, he just has to have 1 good game and he'll suddenly be considered the best FB ever or the best FB in the comp at the moment even though that's not necessarily the truth.

Thats probably the best game lake has played in a while. Scarlett has just played two average (for him) games in the past two weeks, yet has made a mockery of his two opponents. Thats the difference. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Scarlett>>Lake

gb

 

[Bulldog1954]

Lake has been better this season because he's played every game and Scarlett has missed 4. Last year we saw what the AA committee thought when they put Scarlo at FB and Lake in the back pocket. Lake is only a couple of years younger than Scarlett but his one AA at back pocket compared to Scarlett's 5 at Full Back says it all.

If you're asking who has been better over their career, you'd have to be braindead not to say Scarlett. If you're asking who has been better in 2010, then the answer is quite obviously the guy who's played twice as many games and is fully fit.

I don't think anyone is claiming Lake has had a better career then Scarlett. If they are they are tools. Lakes one AA at back pocket compared to Scarlett's 5 at full back doesn't say it all though because it's not an argument over who has had a better career.

 

[STC]

I don't think anyone is claiming Lake has had a better career then Scarlett. If they are they are tools. Lakes one AA at back pocket compared to Scarlett's 5 at full back doesn't say it all though because it's not an argument over who has had a better career.

Then the question is just stupid. Lake is clearly having a better year because he's played twice as much footy and is fully fit, unlike Scarlett. What is the point of the poll?

As for the AA argument, it does say that even in Lake's best years, he couldn't displace Scarlett at FB in the AA team. Whether he will this year remains to be seen. Scarlett's absolute best years were probably in 03-04, when he in but he's still managed to pick up AA over Lake in 07-09, Lake's peak years.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Here we go again with the typical BigFooty perception. Cool, Scarlett's done some nice stopping job's the last couple of weeks so I guess that means he's the ultimate full back and far better than anyone in the competition at the moment. Yep, disregard Lake's 24 disposals, 11 marks, 2 goals and all-round huge influence in our victory against Sydney because he doesn't wield the name 'Matthew Scarlett'.

Stats don't mean shit, how many times have I read that from you?

Good work admitting Lake doesn't always take the best forward though, the main argument from Dog lemmings in this thread.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

This is where my point about Scarlett being overrated comes in, while he's a good player, he just has to have 1 good game and he'll suddenly be considered the best FB ever or the best FB in the comp at the moment even though that's not necessarily the truth.

This is ****ing hilarious considering this thread was created when Scarlett was out injured

 

[Gus]

Massive game from Lake today. 192 dt points, 41 disposals and 22 marks.

 

[100action]

Massive game from Lake today. 192 dt points, 41 disposals and 22 marks.

all ineffective 1-2 cheapies across the HB like Gary Ablett, BOG today but still a shit game for his standards.

 

[Werewolf]

About half his possessions were junk! The main thing today was that he did his job in restricting North Melbourne's scoring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets annoyed by sideways and backwards kicking

 

[The King!]

i think scarlett is the best ive ever seen, just watch the cats without him to appreciate what he does.

But you would take either of these guys any day of the week

 

[trentmac21]

all ineffective 1-2 cheapies across the HB like Gary Ablett, BOG today but still a shit game for his standards.

You're an idiot. Maybe watch a Geelong game and see how many contested possessions Ablett gets instead of running your mouth? Just a thought.

 

[100action]

You're an idiot. Maybe watch a Geelong game and see how many contested possessions Ablett gets instead of running your mouth? Just a thought.

Ok "idiot", try using your brain before running your mouth. The point flew right over your head.

 

[STC]

Lake played well but it's easy to zone off a first gamer.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

again lake plays on a nobody

come back to me when he takes the best forward

 

[Bulldog1954]

again lake plays on a nobody

come back to me when he takes the best forward

To be fair North didn't have a decent key forward playing. They had an undersized mediocre player in Edwards and two youngsters in Smith and O'Keefe. Who was he meant to play on?

 

[maximus steel]

Scarlett in his prime >>>> Lake in his prime (now). scarletts getting on a bit so his playing more defensivly (kept bradshaw to 2 disposals, fev to around 5). i think if you where given the choice of having lake or scarlett right now youd choose lake, simply because scarlett is older and lakes probably just moved past him a bit. but re post this poll when scarletts had 4-5 weeks of game time

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Never seen Scarlett turn it over so many times in a match for easy goals to the opposition as I saw Lake do yesterday.

You wouldn't want him to have 40 touches under any sort of pressure.

 

[100action]

Never seen Scarlett turn it over so many times in a match for easy goals to the opposition as I saw Lake do yesterday.

You wouldn't want him to have 40 touches under any sort of pressure.

I forgot the other times except for the supposed low kick to grant that went straight into the hands of the opposition and resulted in a goal. Care to remind me about the others and provide some evidence?

Looking at statistics he had 4 clangers yesterday, are you saying Scarlett has never had 4 clangers before?

 

[Gus]

Really thought Lake would be a bit closer than this. He is far and away this year's AA fullback.

 

[Rumblah#16]

Lake, by a fair distance too.