No, but still the second highest ever recorded with 35,000 less fans....112db at Optus
122 at MCG.
So not the same.
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No, but still the second highest ever recorded with 35,000 less fans....112db at Optus
122 at MCG.
So not the same.
Exactly right, under a rotational system, how many of Hawthorn's 3-peat would have been on their home ground. Given that all were against different interstate clubs it may well have been that they may even have had to play one or even 2 of them on their opponent's home ground without their overwhelming home town crowd... now I'd like to see that!what you continue to not understand is that a rotated grand final cuts the chances of meeting a tenant team in a gf massively.
it makes neutral gfs much much more likely.
Do you think that all supporters of all clubs should have a reasonable opportunity to witness a GF live regardless of their financial, health or any other reason? Or, do you think stuff them, as long as Vic based supporters arent inconvenienced?
the way it is now means that the makeup of every single grand final crowd is 80+ % victorian.Pray enlighten us how moving the Grand Final to a venue that holds 50,000 less spectators is going to improve the chances of anybody, anywhere being able to attend a Grand Final?
Over the course of the current MCG contract that's more than TWO MILLION less GF seats to share around.
You seem to think that Victorians can just wake up on Grand Final morning and decide to it would be fun to go to the footy.
where did you get these figures?112db at Optus
122 at MCG.
So not the same.
If rotating fairly you have 10 in every 18 GF in Victoria, on average more than one every two years.Exactly right, under a rotational system, how many of Hawthorn's 3-peat would have been on their home ground. Given that all were against different interstate clubs it may well have been that they may even have had to play one or even 2 of them on their opponent's home ground without their overwhelming home town crowd... now I'd like to see that!
if we played a hawthorn eagles game at the gabba its a neutral gf where at the g its not.If rotating fairly you have 10 in every 18 GF in Victoria, on average more than one every two years.
If you play a Hawthorn v Eagles GF at the GABBA, you nuffies would sook that only 8k Eagles members got tickets, and it is even further to travel to.
Rotating just shafts more fans more often.......WA fans wanting to cut off the nose to spite the face.
The MCG gives 45,000 seats to the MCG and AFL Members' stands, whilst generally accepted and understood full membership equates to entitlement to a Grand Final ticket, technically it isn't something that's inherently guaranteed.Pray enlighten us how moving the Grand Final to a venue that holds 50,000 less spectators is going to improve the chances of anybody, anywhere being able to attend a Grand Final?
Over the course of the current MCG contract that's more than TWO MILLION less GF seats to share around.
You seem to think that Victorians can just wake up on Grand Final morning and decide to it would be fun to go to the footy.
The MCG gives 45,000 seats to the MCG and AFL Members' stands, whilst generally accepted and understood full membership equates to entitlement to a Grand Final ticket, technically it isn't something that's inherently guaranteed.
In a pure sense of tickets given to competing club members and corporate/sponsor tickets, you could actually fit more of them in other stadiums.
the way it is now means that the makeup of every single grand final crowd is 80+ % victorian.
The ticket allocation at the 100k MCG is as followsThe MCG gives 45,000 seats to the MCG and AFL Members' stands, whilst generally accepted and understood full membership equates to entitlement to a Grand Final ticket, technically it isn't something that's inherently guaranteed.
In a pure sense of tickets given to competing club members and corporate/sponsor tickets, you could actually fit more of them in other stadiums.
1) you have afl members and corporates adding to that tally.Not true.
MCC members take between 15-20,000 seats. A majority of MCC members are Victorians, but by no means all. Pretty reasonable really. It's their ground. And even after taking those seats there are STILL about 30,000 more seats available than any other ground in the country.
The two clubs represented get an equal split of 45K seats between the members and the Club allocation.
And every other method of purchasing a seat is equally open to anybody. No matter if they live in Melbourne or live on the moon.
Among the competing Clubs it is actually a disadvantage to be a supporter of one of the big Victorian Clubs. Chances of getting a ticket when your Club is in the GF are much lower, and also costs a shitload more to even get in the member lottery.
1) you have afl members and corporates adding to that tally.
2) read that last paragraph again slowly.
we are looking at between 3-5 k for a granny - 3 k if you are a member and can stay at friends - 5k if you arent.
i went to the hawthorn / geelong gf got a ticket no drama - cost me around $1200 and i got breakfast with dipper - he was hilarious.
the flight cost about $380 return from perth and the hotel a few hunge
i havnt screwed my own argument you crumpetAnybody can be an AFL member. Cheap as chips too. Not restricted to Victorians.
Nor are corporate seats restricted to Victorians. Or packages, or luxury boxes. Everyone on earth or Mars can get one with a few clicks of a mouse.
So you went to a GF yourself? For $1200. Kind of screwed your own argument there.
Take Richmond. Good example at this time. Members pay $2,000 up front at the start of the season to get a place in the members GF lottery for 22,500 seats. IF they make it. Otherwise, they pay the same 2k for a place in a lottery for roughly 1,000 seats. Among 100,000 members.
But go ahead and keep telling us how hard done by you are in poor victimised WA.
Move the GF to your "state of the art" (LOL) boutique stadium where some "premium" seats have half the ground blocked out by concrete pillars and you'd be lucky if anybody gets a seat at all after the deep pocket brigade who pay the lions share of the gate take are finished.
Exactly right, under a rotational system, how many of Hawthorn's 3-peat would have been on their home ground. Given that all were against different interstate clubs it may well have been that they may even have had to play one or even 2 of them on their opponent's home ground without their overwhelming home town crowd... now I'd like to see that!
GF tickets are 450-150 if you are a member entitled to a ticket.1) you have afl members and corporates adding to that tally.
2) read that last paragraph again slowly.
we are looking at between 3-5 k for a granny - 3 k if you are a member and can stay at friends - 5k if you arent.
Yep when you have 100k club members like Richmond do, the 80% who miss out via club allocation try to scramble and pay the 1000-1500 for a hospitality package.i went to the hawthorn / geelong gf got a ticket no drama - cost me around $1200 and i got breakfast with dipper - he was hilarious.
the flight cost about $380 return from perth and the hotel a few hunge
I agree with the 10 out of 18 at the G, but disagree with the rest because you focus on the fact that I'm arguing as an Eagle supporter and that is simply not true. My argument is on behalf of ALL supporters (of ALL clubs) that don't live in Melbourne. I simply believe that every supporter of every team, regardless of where they live, regardless of their personal circumstances, should have an opportunity to witness A GF live, NOT necessarily to see THEIR team in the GF. The present system of GFs only at the G, denies many this opportunity.If rotating fairly you have 10 in every 18 GF in Victoria, on average more than one every two years.
If you play a Hawthorn v Eagles GF at the GABBA, you nuffies would sook that only 8k Eagles members got tickets, and it is even further to travel to.
Rotating just shafts more fans more often.......WA fans wanting to cut off the nose to spite the face.
I agree with the 10 out of 18 at the G, but disagree with the rest because you focus on the fact that I'm arguing as an Eagle supporter and that is simply not true. My argument is on behalf of ALL supporters (of ALL clubs) that don't live in Melbourne. I simply believe that every supporter of every team, regardless of where they live, regardless of their personal circumstances, should have an opportunity to witness A GF live, NOT necessarily to see THEIR team in the GF. The present system of GFs only at the G, denies many this opportunity.
I've seen 4 GFs so I've had my opportunity, many others haven't. Rotating still won't guarantee everyone will get to see one at some point, but it will increase the possibility whereas currently it is only those that can afford the travel costs and those that are healthy enough to travel that will ever get to see one. It isn't about which club you support, it's about fairness and opportunity for all followers and supporters of Australian Rules Football.
If I take the scenario you quoted of Eagles v Hawks at the Gabba, the AFL should ensure that any unsold allocations to non participating clubs are made available to Queenslanders first. Likewise if it was in SA, NSW or WA, this would then make the chance of attending a GF available to more supporters.
IMHO, the most important thing is getting as many supporters of the two competing clubs in as possible.I agree with the 10 out of 18 at the G, but disagree with the rest because you focus on the fact that I'm arguing as an Eagle supporter and that is simply not true. My argument is on behalf of ALL supporters (of ALL clubs) that don't live in Melbourne. I simply believe that every supporter of every team, regardless of where they live, regardless of their personal circumstances, should have an opportunity to witness A GF live, NOT necessarily to see THEIR team in the GF. The present system of GFs only at the G, denies many this opportunity.
I've seen 4 GFs so I've had my opportunity, many others haven't. Rotating still won't guarantee everyone will get to see one at some point, but it will increase the possibility whereas currently it is only those that can afford the travel costs and those that are healthy enough to travel that will ever get to see one. It isn't about which club you support, it's about fairness and opportunity for all followers and supporters of Australian Rules Football.
If I take the scenario you quoted of Eagles v Hawks at the Gabba, the AFL should ensure that any unsold allocations to non participating clubs are made available to Queenslanders first. Likewise if it was in SA, NSW or WA, this would then make the chance of attending a GF available to more supporters.