Latest polls: "Labor faces wipeout"

[morgoth]

A leader of a nation has to have a bit of arrogance & anger in him so there is nothing new about that it's all about how you can control it & use it for your advantage.

If Tony ever does become PM (god forbid) you will see a new level of anger in politics like you will have never seen before.

The Murdoch press in this country have by far the largest amount of influence in regards to output of political bias but if you really want to see political bias on a very large scale i would invite you & others if able to watch the Fox News service from the USA for a couple of days & then come back here & use our local ABC as fodder for the right wing fanatics to use as a Lennon & Mau information centre.

And as part of your analysis of Fox News you would have to watch the other news services which are as left leaning as Fox is right leaning. Fox only came about due to the left leaning media ignoring the conservative voters. Murdoch is on record as saying it was the easiest business decision he ever made as he had a guarenteed market.

The ABC is as biased as any US left wing media outlet, the problem is their is no Fox to balance them out. Fairfax is a disgrace, I have seen artciles where the so called journalist is literally barracking for Rudd. The Australian has become biased to the right but only because their was a large, captive market (conservative voters) that was being negelcted.

The problem for Rudd is the Age has sniffed the wind and is turning on him now as he has become toxic.

I do agree re your comments re anger after the next election. Regardless of who wins I think the country is going to be divided and we are in for some unpleasant times. Lefties don't like Abbott, Conservatives feel the same about Rudd.

What is strange is that people who normally take little interest in politics, who are more interested in making money and getting on with life, are now active in their support of the liberal party. Such is the hatred of Rudd.

 

[King Elvis]

If Tony ever does become PM (god forbid) you will see a new level of anger in politics like you will have never seen before.

Based on what?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...no-harm-approach/story-e6frg6zo-1225875693099

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

The ABC is as biased as any US left wing media outlet

Seriously?

What with Liberal place-people like Albrechtsen and Kroger on the board, the Liberal Party slant within a substantial proportion of ABC radio news (Fran Kelly, Michael Duffy etc) and the relative lack of scrutiny applied to the Liberals by the ABC as a general rule in recent times, coupled with the preponderance of Coalition or related guests on various news programs, you'd have to be pretty far out there to think there was any bias towards the ALP happening!

In fact, I reckon the opposite is more true in this case.

And as for any US TV outlet being particularly "left-wing", I've seen a lot of NBC/CBS/ABC news programming, especially the flagship programs, and frankly, you're kidding yourself. Even PBS isn't that progressive these days.

 

[morgoth]

Seriously?

What with Liberal place-people like Albrechtsen and Kroger on the board, the Liberal Party slant within a substantial proportion of ABC radio news (Fran Kelly, Michael Duffy etc) and the relative lack of scrutiny applied to the Liberals by the ABC as a general rule in recent times, coupled with the preponderance of Coalition or related guests on various news programs, you'd have to be pretty far out there to think there was any bias towards the ALP happening!

In fact, I reckon the opposite is more true in this case.

And as for any US TV outlet being particularly "left-wing", I've seen a lot of NBC/CBS/ABC news programming, especially the flagship programs, and frankly, you're kidding yourself. Even PBS isn't that progressive these days.

Perception is reality. You reckon you telling me the ABC is not biased will change my view. I see Red Kerry literally polishing Kev's nob whilst he goes hell for leather at the oppostion leader. Only in the last month has Red Kerry woken up to the fact that Krudd is a con.

Ask any conservative voter about the ABC and see what reaction you get. It should be sold off as a subsciber network so you can pay a subscription fee and the money weasted on the ABC can be used on hospitals or education.

As for your comments on the US, I guess that's why Fox has failed!

 

[noddy]

Based on what?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...no-harm-approach/story-e6frg6zo-1225875693099

Liberal press in the extreme does not = gospel ala Tony's version of gospel.

Or does it, bit hard to tell these days as Tony changes tack to suit the wind direction.

 

[King Elvis]

Liberal press in the extreme does not = gospel ala Tony's version of gospel.

Or does it, bit hard to tell these days as Tony changes tack to suit the wind direction.

I love it how you guys bleat on about media bias when it doesn't support Rudd, yet are happy to latch onto any piece of media that does.

As for your second paragraph, the alternative shirked the greatest moral challenge of our time because it could've cost him re-election, I'd hardly think anybody who supports him is in a position to throw stones.

 

[noddy]

And as part of your analysis of Fox News you would have to watch the other news services which are as left leaning as Fox is right leaning. Fox only came about due to the left leaning media ignoring the conservative voters. Murdoch is on record as saying it was the easiest business decision he ever made as he had a guarenteed market.

The ABC is as biased as any US left wing media outlet, the problem is their is no Fox to balance them out. Fairfax is a disgrace, I have seen artciles where the so called journalist is literally barracking for Rudd. The Australian has become biased to the right but only because their was a large, captive market (conservative voters) that was being negelcted.

The problem for Rudd is the Age has sniffed the wind and is turning on him now as he has become toxic.

I do agree re your comments re anger after the next election. Regardless of who wins I think the country is going to be divided and we are in for some unpleasant times. Lefties don't like Abbott, Conservatives feel the same about Rudd.

What is strange is that people who normally take little interest in politics, who are more interested in making money and getting on with life, are now active in their support of the liberal party. Such is the hatred of Rudd.

Murdoch had wet dreams of Maggy Thatcher so please don't use him as an example of someone who could switch from one side of politics to the other.

The Murdoch press came out hard on Rudd/Labor not long after the decision by the Gov to grant free to air TV companies a rebate due to the digital revolution last year which was something that Murdoch was absolutely furious about.

As for the Age turning on Labor well when Michelle Grattan joins the ranks of Andrew Bolt & company then we do have a problem.

Not sure if you are referring to the ABC Aus or the ABC USA but does not matter which as both of those would not come close to the bias of Fox News, before the last election one of there slogans was "fair & balanced" since the rise of Obama to the white house they have dropped that slogan altogether or now only use it as joke.

 

[XFactor1979]

There was a story on the 7.30 report about how rudd runs on anger

The Copenhagen fiasco where he swore at everyone for "if youre not part of the solution youre part of the problem" was the beginning of a rise in disapproval for Rudd. Tt showcased his lack of diplomacy

 

[noddy]

I love it how you guys bleat on about media bias when it doesn't support Rudd, yet are happy to latch onto any piece of media that does.

As for your second paragraph, the alternative shirked the greatest moral challenge of our time because it could've cost him re-election, I'd hardly think anybody who supports him is in a position to throw stones.

Not really KE as i acknowledge that the ABC still has journalists that do lean over to the left regardless of Howard's attempts to change the direction of our beloved national broadcaster.

Never supported Kevin Rudd & have always said that Labor would eventually regret not moving him on before it becomes to late, but to be honest i didn't think he would self destruct this soon after winning government.

 

[King Elvis]

The Murdoch press came out hard on Rudd/Labor not long after the decision by the Gov to grant free to air TV companies a rebate due to the digital revolution last year which was something that Murdoch was absolutely furious about.

Everybody should've been furious about that. Due to the digital revolution? They had years to prepare for it, it was already up and running, and the 'rebate' was designed to assist that - yet it had ZERO conditions or benchmarks attached to it.

The only reason it didn't receive a hell of a lot more negative press was because the people who should've been slamming it were the benefactors of it.

And FoxNews is a joke, we all know that.

Never supported Kevin Rudd & have always said that Labor would eventually regret not moving him on before it becomes to late, but to be honest i didn't think he would self destruct this soon after winning government.

Neither did I.

When he won office, I was cautiously optimistic. I consider myself slightly right of centre (even though it doesn't translate well here), and even I felt that Howard had gone too far with WorkChoices. Rudd seemed to present a happy medium; 'liberal' economically, 'labor' socially; I thought/hoped he could balance the two out (which btw, I think Costello could've).

Like I said, I was cautiously optimistic, but I did get sucked in a bit. It didn't take long to lose confidence in him though, all talk, very little meaningful action, and it's gotten worse from there. IMO, himself and Swan are incompetent.

And I apologise for the 'tone' of my last post, frustration at a few others caused me to be rude to you, when I shouldn't have.

 

[noddy]

Everybody should've been furious about that. Due to the digital revolution? They had years to prepare for it, it was already up and running, and the 'rebate' was designed to assist that - yet it had ZERO conditions or benchmarks attached to it.

The only reason it didn't receive a hell of a lot more negative press was because the people who should've been slamming it were the benefactors of it.

And FoxNews is a joke, we all know that.



Neither did I.

When he won office, I was cautiously optimistic. I consider myself slightly right of centre (even though it doesn't translate well here), and even I felt that Howard had gone too far with WorkChoices. Rudd seemed to present a happy medium; 'liberal' economically, 'labor' socially; I thought/hoped he could balance the two out (which btw, I think Costello could've).

Like I said, I was cautiously optimistic, but I did get sucked in a bit. It didn't take long to lose confidence in him though, all talk, very little meaningful action, and it's gotten worse from there. IMO, himself and Swan are incompetent.

And I apologise for the 'tone' of my last post, frustration at a few others caused me to be rude to you, when I shouldn't have.

No need mate as no offense was taken

If only Costello had have remained in politics & had the balls to stand up.

 

[medusala]

Murdoch had wet dreams of Maggy Thatcher so please don't use him as an example of someone who could switch from one side of politics to the other.

You must be kidding. The Sun IIRC has backed every winner since Murdoch owned it. The Times backed Blair in opposition and stayed with him til the end only switching IIRC this election to the Tories.

Also, I believe the Australian backed Rudd at the last election.

Of course the Australian is kicking the daylights out of Rudd, what would you expect from a paper (and owner) that claims allegiance to liberal economics?

It would be grossly hypocritical of them not to.

 

[morgoth]

No need mate as no offense was taken

If only Costello had have remained in politics & had the balls to stand up.

Agree with that. Costello works in the same building as me and I was on the escalator with him the other day.

I wanted to scream at him, "what have you done, you would be an utter lock to be PM', but he was talking to someone so left him alone. Lot taller than I thought.

 

[morgoth]

The Murdoch press came out hard on Rudd/Labor not long after the decision by the Gov to grant free to air TV companies a rebate due to the digital revolution last year which was something that Murdoch was absolutely furious about.

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Yes that seemed to be the tipping point although Rudd has not done himself and favours by abusing Herald Sun editors at a dinner at Crown. I think that upped the ante a bit.

It will be interesting to see what Stokes does. He recently backed doored his private company into 7. The major asset was the caterpiller licence, with its obvious reliance upon mining. Story is Stokes did this as he wants to take a stake in Foxtel (from either Consolidated or Telsrta) but 7 alone did not have the cash flow to support the debt, hence merging the two and boosting cash flow.

Of course now Rudd has caused problems in the mining sector, affecting not only Kerry's acutal investment but maybe his plans to get hold of a stake in Foxtel.

Be interesting to see whether 7 starts to up the ante as a result.

 

[Dry Rot]

Herald Sun editors at a dinner at Crown. I think that upped the ante a bit.

It will be interesting to see what Stokes does. He recently backed doored his private company into 7. The major asset was the caterpiller licence, with its obvious reliance upon mining. Story is Stokes did this as he wants to take a stake in Foxtel (from either Consolidated or Telsrta) but 7 alone did not have the cash flow to support the debt, hence merging the two and boosting cash flow.

Of course now Rudd has caused problems in the mining sector, affecting not only Kerry's acutal investment but maybe his plans to get hold of a stake in Foxtel.

Be interesting to see whether 7 starts to up the ante as a result.

Very interesting prediction. Is there any hornets nest Rudd hasn't kicked?

 

[finders]

The poll this thread is about is a Nielsen poll. So if it is more reliable, Rudd is in serious trouble.

If only the Libs had a decent leader, it would be all over.

Newspoll and Galaxy are polls done for the the now very anti ALP News Corp (check out the nasty anti labor campaigns being run by the HeraldSun and Australian atm) and I dont think they should be taken a gospel.
What shits me is when one of these polls come out the rest of the slimey lazy media take them as 100 % correct and report it as such including the ABC!I would think Abbott and News would be loving this.

 

[finders]

If the voters are stupid enough to vote in a religious right wing nutter like Abbott then it just goes to show this country is living in a fools paradise.

 

[John Bonney]

If the voters are stupid enough to vote in a religious right wing nutter like Abbott then it just goes to show this country is living in a fools paradise.

Too true and if so the scumbag media will in short time attack him like the rabid dogs they are while all the short term mineral profits are sucked out to their craven masters.

 

[King Elvis]

If the voters are stupid enough to vote in a religious right wing nutter like Abbott then it just goes to show this country is living in a fools paradise.

Rudd is religious as well, Abbott has repeatedly stated he wont make religion based policy, and that the Liberal MPs will, as usual, be able to conscience vote if required.

If voters are stupid to re-elect Rudd, then a hell of a lot of people will probably need to find God in the next 4-5 years.

Agree with that. Costello works in the same building as me and I was on the escalator with him the other day.

I wanted to scream at him, "what have you done, you would be an utter lock to be PM', but he was talking to someone so left him alone. Lot taller than I thought.

Next time, do it. Tell him to man up and get back in the fight

 

[Pessimistic]

Actually guys, in a way you dont know how lucky you are in this country.

Despite the obvious things. this govt has done a good job with the economy.

But they couldnt have hoped to do the stimulus had the previous lot not left a good debt position and money in the kitty

And the previous lot benefitted from the hard reforms their predecessors undertook

Some will say "but its all underpinned by the magic pudding of being resource rich"

But take Britain - it was the worlds #1 oil producer for along time but failed to get the house in order - they now face "decades of pain" - They've had loonys from both sides stuff it up over there for decades

 

[noddy]

You must be kidding. The Sun IIRC has backed every winner since Murdoch owned it. The Times backed Blair in opposition and stayed with him til the end only switching IIRC this election to the Tories.

Also, I believe the Australian backed Rudd at the last election.

Of course the Australian is kicking the daylights out of Rudd, what would you expect from a paper (and owner) that claims allegiance to liberal economics?

It would be grossly hypocritical of them not to.

Rupert Murdoch stands for Rupert Murdoch & even though he is of the right wing side of politics he in my opinion does not back political parties as such but backs political leaders who he believes he can have some control over or at least manipulate & when you cross him you better wear a helmet.

There has never been a truer statement than "the pen is mightier than the sword"

 

[noddy]

Very interesting prediction. Is there any hornets nest Rudd hasn't kicked?

Not many left is there ?

I admit i have no clue what so ever as to what makes the guy tick.

 

[noddy]

Actually guys, in a way you dont know how lucky you are in this country.

Despite the obvious things. this govt has done a good job with the economy.

But they couldnt have hoped to do the stimulus had the previous lot not left a good debt position and money in the kitty

And the previous lot benefitted from the hard reforms their predecessors undertook

Some will say "but its all underpinned by the magic pudding of being resource rich"

But take Britain - it was the worlds #1 oil producer for along time but failed to get the house in order - they now face "decades of pain" - They've had loonys from both sides stuff it up over there for decades

They don't call us the lucky country for nothing

I'm have been a Labor voter all my life bar two occasions when i voted Liberal once in a state election & the other for John Howard over Mark Lathom (that was one time i voted against a particular leader of a party ) but i do acknowledge that some of Howards policies were worthwhile & i had a lot of time for Peter Costello.

We do well in Australia.

 

[morgoth]

Not many left is there ?

I admit i have no clue what so ever as to what makes the guy tick.

Massive chip on the shoulder. How do you reckon he would have gone at School?

I am tipping he spent most of his days in the library because if he went outside he got 'bullied'. Now Kev has his chance to make them all pay and to be the cool 'kid'.

 

[King Elvis]

Actually guys, in a way you dont know how lucky you are in this country.

Despite the obvious things. this govt has done a good job with the economy.

But they couldnt have hoped to do the stimulus had the previous lot not left a good debt position and money in the kitty

And the previous lot benefitted from the hard reforms their predecessors undertook

Some will say "but its all underpinned by the magic pudding of being resource rich"

But take Britain - it was the worlds #1 oil producer for along time but failed to get the house in order - they now face "decades of pain" - They've had loonys from both sides stuff it up over there for decades

I think we recognise that, we are incredibly lucky, and both Keating/Hawke and Howard/Costello deserve a lot of credit for that.

My concern is that your last paragraph could end up being applicable to our current PM.