Laura Kane - Does Not Impress Me At All !!

[errant bounce]

As my post said, how did Laura Kane get to this position?

It's really really weird.

The IQ of this forum hovers around 55 but it's worth thinking about.

Also imagine making a game that was made by men and played by men all about women... absolutely ****ing nuts. shows the insecurity of the modern woman and how ****ed our genders are.

 

[Longmembrey]

That's easy for you to say. Your team had the clear MVP.

Stole the show tbh

 

[76woodenspooners]

The mad Monday. Guys got suspended because they dressed up as the twin towers and Osama? like really?

How people can get so easily offended by this is baffling. Years ago, some players dressed up as Ricky Nixon and the Stkilda school girl. I think we can all agree that dark humour is often the funniest. But sure, just let them get dressed up as Mario and Luigi or something neutral. Such a joke.

These are examples where I completely agree with you.

But I see it from the AFL’s point of view too. Across the competition they have sponsorship deals in place worth a lot of money. And every single one will have getout clauses in the event the brand is brought into disrepute. And sponsorship contracts do get ripped up.

What would you do if you were an AFL exec and received a call from a club CEO saying they just got a phone call from their main jumper sponsor saying that their CEO had a relative die in 911 and they reckon it was tasteless that players made fun of it and they don’t want to see that behaviour again?

You’ve got a club CEO and a major sponsor paying $$$ getting stuck into you at a time the players want a pay rise. What would you do?

And no, the aflw standard is equivalent to probably under 12 boys. Not joking. Speaking for the majority here, no-one wants it on the afl website. Get their own website just like the wnba.

Again, it’s the off season. Why not let the women have their fun when the most exciting thing AFL are retweets of players’ Bali sunsets.

And no, if im an afl executive I'm not succumbing to that stupidity. Do you think Dana White doesn't talk about his fighters weights? The fact that you even think this would happen is a joke. If clayton Oliver couldn't handle that criticism then he clearly isn't ready to be a professional athlete. And yes, I would tell Oliver and his team to stop being so woke. I'd happily suspend him until further notice. The afl players have far too much power. If I was in charge, this wouldn't even be an issue.

It’s easy for you or I to say who don’t carry that responsibility.

But if your actions (against the advice of General Counsel) needlessly brought legal troubles against the AFL (as what you’re suggesting probably would), the commission would tap you on the shoulder to ask you to stand down.

There’s a reason why the people who have these roles are often lawyers.

As you say, the standard of commentary is terrible. but that's because of the wokeness and being PC all of the time. Hell the AFL draft comes on and the reality is that 50% of the picks won't make the grade but the commentators bang on like every kid is James Hird. They're too afraid to even mention their weaknesses. The whole industry is cooked. No-one really calls is as it is. Kane Cornes is the closest. When he said that Melbourne's list looked weak and aren't as developed and muscular as other teams I was like 'hooray, am actual option'.

Q: What is the job of the media on draft night?

A: To sell advertising. Nobody wants to sit through half an hour of AAMI ads to be eventually told that their picks suck. And sure, they’re happy to hear that another teams’ picks suck, but people are more focused on their own team and if the media just say everyone is great then nobody gets offended. And nobody can be proven wrong - for at least two years, by which time everybody has moved on.

 

[draft_enjoyer]

Can we **** these parasite lawyers off and give the game back to the fans?

 

[Elixuh]

I think Kane has had a poor start. Unfortunately Dillon has also had a very lackluster start and can't sell anything publicly and has made poor decisions. At least Gil could confidentially sell the BS and I felt he was commercially savvy most of the time. Having two people at the top of the organisation who can't get it done publicly and who make poor decisions is bad for the league. You can carry one but not both.

In saying that it is very Bigfooty that posters become irate at the AFL asking clubs to invite some women into the recruiting space. It is very meh. No downside to it, only potential upside, especially if there is something within a club who wants to get into recruiting.

 

[Bjo187]

Dillon seems like he's just going through the motions and a bit unmotivated. Never really wanted the gig, was pushed into it coz Goyder had it in for Gale and likely thought a gig like this won't ever come along again, may as well go for it.

With the amount of fat that needs cutting at AFL hq, the fact he never even did a restructure told me he cbf. He feels like an interim CEO, that isn't actually interim.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Can we **** these parasite lawyers off and give the game back to the fans?

Gate attendances are the highest they’ve ever been, broadcast revenue is as high as ever, participation in the sport is the highest it has ever been.

A lot of fans seem to be voting with their feet that they like what said parasite lawyers are doing?

 

[76woodenspooners]

I think Kane has had a poor start. Unfortunately Dillon has also had a very lackluster start and can't sell anything publicly and has made poor decisions. At least Gil could confidentially sell the BS and I felt he was commercially savvy most of the time. Having two people at the top of the organisation who can't get it done publicly and who make poor decisions is bad for the league. You can carry one but not both.

What poor decisions have Kane and Dillon made?

I can think of one:

Kane’s Monday morning commentary on the previous weekend’s umpiring wasn’t helpful but she quickly learnt from the mistake and cut it.

Any others?

 

[Tadpole]

I smelt a rat as soon as I saw women sitting there in the war rooms on AFL draft night.

If you have ever been clothes shopping with a woman they can't make a choice in under 5 minutes, they take about 5 hours.'

Speak for yourself.

 

[danster168]

What poor decisions have Kane and Dillon made?

I can think of one:

Kane’s Monday morning commentary on the previous weekend’s umpiring wasn’t helpful but she quickly learnt from the mistake and cut it.

Any others?

I'm not sure how much of this falls on her but she supported having the afl f/s and academy points matching circus stay around allowing a 300 game player in Ashcroft sign with the premiers. She also didn't allow the trading of 2 years into the future which stopped Melbourne from being able to trade either of Oliver or Petracca or both and restricted literally all 18 teams who wanted it in immediately.

 

[H Dolphin]

Your point was that only people should be present based on merit. Which is clearly not the case and there are a tonne of precedents.

If people are getting their knickers in a twist in 2024 because somebody is mandating that at least one person of around a dozen people needs to be from a cohort that represents over half the population, then that seems a bit silly, doesn’t it?

“Knickers in a twist” and “represent”. Objecting to possible tokenism isn’t “knickers in a twist”. The group of people in question are charged with choosing young men to play football, composure of the group should be determined by the roles the club wants in the group, not what demographic she or he represents.

 

[Bostonian]

Gate attendances are the highest they’ve ever been, broadcast revenue is as high as ever, participation in the sport is the highest it has ever been.

A lot of fans seem to be voting with their feet that they like what said parasite lawyers are doing?

Gate attendances up, that's thanks to the fans. Not the clowns running the game.

Participation is up due to all the parents and volunteers out in grass roots football land who do all the hard work just so the AFL can skim the cream off the top.

So many football clubs have ceased to exist thanks to sweet FA investment in local football by the AFL.


Stop giving the AFL credit for shit they don't deserve.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'm not sure how much of this falls on her but she supported having the afl f/s and academy points matching circus stay around allowing a 300 game player in Ashcroft sign with the premiers.

When you have rules like F/S then there is always going to be an element of luck involved. The only way to eliminate it is to get rid of F/S, and nobody wants that.

I get that there were strong incentives for Richmond to not bid on Ashcroft at #1 (clubs want their own player to have the glory of #1) but there was nothing stopping teams bidding at 2, 3 or 4.

Maybe you’re going a bit early with the “300 game player” bit. Yeah, you maybe right - but that could be said of any player in the draft. But there are plenty of examples of draftees with star siblings and star fathers who have flopped. Ablett, Silvagni, Cloke …

She also didn't allow the trading of 2 years into the future which stopped Melbourne from being able to trade either of Oliver or Petracca or both and restricted literally all 18 teams who wanted it in immediately.

You can’t knock someone for failing to change the rules to favour your club.

If Petracca and Melbourne were really motivated to part ways then there were options. Richmond: trade currency Salary Cap (Although nothing is stopping a player from taking a pay cut to get out of their club if that’s what they really want), “Big Club” , Staying local .

The AFL make their decisions to support the health of the competition. Taking input from 18 clubs is just one factor.

Clearly there are smart AFL clubs that are well run and there are dumb AFL clubs that aren’t. And the AFL will have even better insight into that than us punters. Checking if clubs want access to trading a second year of draft picks is like asking people if they want a payrise. Nobody is going to say no. But the smart clubs will invest that payrise wisely, and the dumb ones will use it to spend an extra hour on the poker machines. Does that improve the health of the competition? No.

 

[BF Tiger]

Sure LK has made some blunders, but having a requirement to have a woman present within a club's draft team is not one of them.

 

[garlic munchers]

Is anyone bothered by a token gesture of letting an unqualified person in the room on Draft night?

Think the operative issue is letting in (i.e. discretionary) rather than be directed/forced to.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Gate attendances up, that's thanks to the fans. Not the clowns running the game. quality of the product which makes it attractive to the fans. And the quality of the product is thanks to said clowns running the game.

EFA

Participation is up due to all the parents and volunteers out in grass roots football land who do all the hard work just so the AFL can skim the cream off the top. + AFL creating a product at the top tier that (1) inspires kids to want to participate (rather than soccer, netball, or rugby’s, basketball, etc) (2) parents are happy for their kids to participate in; + the AFL through the work they do with top tier broadcasting rights and sponsorship being able to partially fund development of the junior levels

EFA

So many football clubs have ceased to exist thanks to sweet FA investment in local football by the AFL. (1) those clubs being unable to fund their own sustainability and (2) The financial pressures on the AFL to put more money into the top tier (AFLPA always putting their hand out for pay rises for their players) and funding the women’s competitions which - irrespective of what you think of women’s footy - has been responsible for the biggest growth in participation in probably the history of the game

EFA

 

[danster168]

When you have rules like F/S then there is always going to be an element of luck involved. The only way to eliminate it is to get rid of F/S, and nobody wants that.

I get that there were strong incentives for Richmond to not bid on Ashcroft at #1 (clubs want their own player to have the glory of #1) but there was nothing stopping teams bidding at 2, 3 or 4.

Maybe you’re going a bit early with the “300 game player” bit. Yeah, you maybe right - but that could be said of any player in the draft. But there are plenty of examples of draftees with star siblings and star fathers who have flopped. Ablett, Silvagni, Cloke …



You can’t knock someone for failing to change the rules to favour your club.

If Petracca and Melbourne were really motivated to part ways then there were options. Richmond: trade currency Salary Cap (Although nothing is stopping a player from taking a pay cut to get out of their club if that’s what they really want), “Big Club” , Staying local .

The AFL make their decisions to support the health of the competition. Taking input from 18 clubs is just one factor.

Clearly there are smart AFL clubs that are well run and there are dumb AFL clubs that aren’t. And the AFL will have even better insight into that than us punters. Checking if clubs want access to trading a second year of draft picks is like asking people if they want a payrise. Nobody is going to say no. But the smart clubs will invest that payrise wisely, and the dumb ones will use it to spend an extra hour on the poker machines. Does that improve the health of the competition? No.

Speak for yourself. If I was in charge I would 100% scrap the father/son rule. No-one really cares. Were Geelong fans devastated when Oscar Browne's got delisted? If we cared about integrity, it'd be the first rule to go.

You've missed the point entirely. If Ashcroft was bid on with picks 2, 3 and 4 Brisbane still get him for laughably cheap. Embarrassingly cheap. Era-defining cheap. The points system should be changed to clubs having to pay a premium, not a discount. If the f/s rule was to some reason stay, if you have a father-son that's bid in the first round, you've got to give up 2 first rounders. What's with getting a discount! how embarassing. A club is getting access to a player they don't deserve. They get the benefits of unfair access, the benefits of marketing that player as a son of the club and they get a discount? An absolute farce.

What do you mean I can't knock someone for failing to make a decision because it doesn't benefit my club. I said in my answer that every club wanted it. Obviously I look through the lens of the dees to showcase how it stalled a trade period unnecessarily. Her delay in making a decision that every club wanted and was ready for showcased her lack in leadership.

Petracca wanted to go to Carlton. no-one else.

 

[draft_enjoyer]

Gate attendances are the highest they’ve ever been, broadcast revenue is as high as ever, participation in the sport is the highest it has ever been.

A lot of fans seem to be voting with their feet that they like what said parasite lawyers are doing?

Yeah, in spite of the commission. No ones going because they love Andrew Dilon, or having gambling ads shoved in their face.

 

[Bostonian]

EFA



EFA



EFA

Jeez you're a bootlicker, or you're Andrew Dillon.

The product isn't that great for one. Constant adding of new teams has diluted the talent and quality of games.

Then you waffle on with AFL house bullshit.

The way you respond you have **** all idea about what's happening to the game at grassroots level.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Speak for yourself. If I was in charge I would 100% scrap the father/son rule. No-one really cares. Were Geelong fans devastated when Oscar Browne's got delisted? If we cared about integrity, it'd be the first rule to go.

Yeah, fair enough.

Depends on your perspective. At its core AFL is an entertainment product, and many AFL fans are entertained by seeing the kids of their childhood heroes running around. The AFL haven’t yet figured out a way for all AFL fans to be entertained by the joy of their team having an upset win every weekend, so it makes sense for them to look for other entertainment buttons to push.

You've missed the point entirely. If Ashcroft was bid on with picks 2, 3 and 4 Brisbane still get him for laughably cheap. Embarrassingly cheap. Era-defining cheap. The points system should be changed to clubs having to pay a premium, not a discount.

Dunno why you’d want to charge a premium unless you want to deliberately dissuade clubs from picking up F/S’s.

I can appreciate the logic in getting rid of the discount though.

I don’t see it’s worth getting hung up over Brisbane getting Levi. Even if Levi ends up being the best player in the comp, there are plenty of historical examples of the best player in the comp playing for the wooden spooners. AFL is a team sport.

A club is getting access to a player they don't deserve.

“Deserve” has never ever been a criterion for anything in the AFL.

They get the benefits of unfair access, the benefits of marketing that player as a son of the club and they get a discount? An absolute farce.

I wouldn’t begrudge the marketing factor. It’s not just the club that benefits from that, it’s the whole competition.

What do you mean I can't knock someone for failing to make a decision because it doesn't benefit my club. I said in my answer that every club wanted it. Obviously I look through the lens of the dees to showcase how it stalled a trade period unnecessarily. Her delay in making a decision that every club wanted and was ready for showcased her lack in leadership.

I’ve already addressed that one - Just because all clubs want something, it doesn’t mean that it is healthy for the competition.

I’m sure all clubs would love to play prime time every weekend. We have the infrastructure to support it. But it’s never going to happen.

 

[Hamingja]

As my post said, how did Laura Kane get to this position?

Clearly she did a great job with North Melbourne and deserved her position.

It is wild when people like Cook and Gale who turned clubs from rabbles into powerhouses don't get jobs at the AFL and we have Dillon and Kane in situ.

 

[danster168]

Yeah, fair enough.

Depends on your perspective. At its core AFL is an entertainment product, and many AFL fans are entertained by seeing the kids of their childhood heroes running around. The AFL haven’t yet figured out a way for all AFL fans to be entertained by the joy of their team having an upset win every weekend, so it makes sense for them to look for other entertainment buttons to push.



Dunno why you’d want to charge a premium unless you want to deliberately dissuade clubs from picking up F/S’s.

I can appreciate the logic in getting rid of the discount though.

I don’t see it’s worth getting hung up over Brisbane getting Levi. Even if Levi ends up being the best player in the comp, there are plenty of historical examples of the best player in the comp playing for the wooden spooners. AFL is a team sport.



“Deserve” has never ever been a criterion for anything in the AFL.



I wouldn’t begrudge the marketing factor. It’s not just the club that benefits from that, it’s the whole competition.



I’ve already addressed that one - Just because all clubs want something, it doesn’t mean that it is healthy for the competition.

I’m sure all clubs would love to play prime time every weekend. We have the infrastructure to support it. But it’s never going to happen.

Who though? Who is entertained by seeing Jack Silvagni be a fringe player at Carlton? Are we less entertained because Daniher is playing for Brisbane? The logic for the father/son rule falls at every obstacle. I couldn't give a stuff if Taj Woewodin is the son of a Shane. I only care if they're good at footy. I'm much more excited about Xavier Lindsay, an early pick, who has no ties to the club.

The premium is to stop teams from winning flags purely off the f/s rule. Brisbane just won it due to the F/S rule. Collingwood won it the year before due to solely the f/s rule. That's 2 years in a row with asterisk flags. A premium, especially for first round players would solve all the problems. The premium can be reduced in each subsequent round.

Yes, 'deserve' has been a criteria. If you come last on the ladder, you deserve the best kid in the country. Ashcroft should be a tiger. The whole premise on the draft is to equalise the competition.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Jeez you're a bootlicker, or you're Andrew Dillon.

The product isn't that great for one. Constant adding of new teams has diluted the talent and quality of games.

Then you waffle on with AFL house bullshit.

The way you respond you have **** all idea about what's happening to the game at grassroots level.

By every objective measure Aussie Rules appears to be in healthy condition. That’s despite the challenges of having to recover from COVID, competition from other sports like soccer and rugby that have the natural advantage of global participation, unprecedented global sporting litigation of concussion and CTE, changes to the economy impacting sponsorship opportunities, and dealing with the challenges of PEDs and recreation drugs.

Sure, not everybody is happy with the way things are. And you appear to be one of them. But everybody can’t be happy all of the time. Change alienates people but it also creates opportunities. In my lifetime I don’t think I’ve ever observed any change in anything that somebody didn’t whinge or complain about. And sometimes change is bad, but the alternative - no change - is even worse. Things need to evolve or it’s inevitable that they go the way of the dinosaurs.

And you may end up being right. Maybe in 5 years we find that women’s and girls footy was just a short term fad that didn’t last, And grassroots men’s and boys footy has disappeared due to lack of support. Let’s see. If that happens look me up and I’ll tip my hat to you.

 

[danster168]

By every objective measure Aussie Rules appears to be in healthy condition. That’s despite the challenges of having to recover from COVID, competition from other sports like soccer and rugby that have the natural advantage of global participation, unprecedented global sporting litigation of concussion and CTE, changes to the economy impacting sponsorship opportunities.

Sure, not everybody is happy with the way things are. And you appear to be one of them. But everybody can’t be happy all of the time. Change alienates people but it also creates opportunities. In my lifetime I don’t think I’ve ever observed any change in anything that somebody didn’t whinge or complain about. And sometimes change is bad, but the alternative - no change - is even worse. Things need to evolve or it’s
Inevitable that they go the way of the dinosaurs.

And you may end up being right. Maybe in 5 years we find that women’s and girls footy was just a short term fad that didn’t last, And grassroots men’s and boys footy has disappeared due to lack of support. Let’s see. If that happens look me up and I’ll tip my hat to you.

I can't think of any footy lover that goes 'I'm so happy the bump is dead' and 'i'm so glad we're suspending blokes for multiple weeks because a player accidentally hit their head on the ground or in some cases put their own head into the ground. Sure, come down hard on dirty shirt fronts but we've changed the entire fabric of the game to the point where I'd say it's not even a contact sport anymore. It's more like basketball. It's okay to like violent acts on the footy field. We've been programmed to think that we shouldn't but in reality it's why many people loved the game.

 

[Dogflogger]

By every objective measure Aussie Rules appears to be in healthy condition. That’s despite the challenges of having to recover from COVID, competition from other sports like soccer and rugby that have the natural advantage of global participation, unprecedented global sporting litigation of concussion and CTE, changes to the economy impacting sponsorship opportunities.

Sure, not everybody is happy with the way things are. And you appear to be one of them. But everybody can’t be happy all of the time. Change alienates people but it also creates opportunities. In my lifetime I don’t think I’ve ever observed any change in anything that somebody didn’t whinge or complain about. And sometimes change is bad, but the alternative - no change - is even worse. Things need to evolve or it’s
Inevitable that they go the way of the dinosaurs.

And you may end up being right. Maybe in 5 years we find that women’s and girls footy was just a short term fad that didn’t last, And grassroots men’s and boys footy has disappeared due to lack of support. Let’s see. If that happens look me up and I’ll tip my hat to you.

by your logic you really only need to make the fans of Collingwood/Essendon/Carlton/Richmond happy and you've got the majority of fans happy. Actually that explains the fixtures i've seen in the 30 years of footy ive watched.