No Oppo Supporters Leak of sensitive information - AFL to lead investigation

[Dry Rot]

On a different tack, all this could take over a month to resolve.

I just hope our club doesn't lose its focus on what they should be doing at this time of year.

 

[Pugz89]

You raise the issue of potential penalties.

For the AFC, there's the possibilities of loss of draft picks, fines and suspension of coaching staff.

For the two Talias, there's fines and suspensions and even deregistration for M Talia.

Hard to see any compensation for us, unless say AFC is forced to trade their first round pick for M Talia.

Doubt we'll see any compo, and given the investigation is expected to take up to four weeks, it may not even be completed by the end of the trade period, so either AFC take the punt and pick him up or he is left in no mans land and delisted by us after the trade period. Big call to make for the Crows. They would hate it if they pick him up, then he gets heavily sanctioned at conclusion of investigation.

 

[Dry Rot]

Would hate it if they pick him up, then he gets heavily sanctioned at conclusion of investigation.

Why?

 

[Pugz89]

Why?

Sorry, They would hate to do that, being AFC.

 

[bobs head soup]

You raise the issue of potential penalties.

For the AFC, there's the possibilities of loss of draft picks, fines and suspension of coaching staff.

For the two Talias, there's fines and suspensions and even deregistration for M Talia.

Hard to see any compensation for us, unless say AFC is forced to trade their first round pick for M Talia.

Hypothetically:

If the AFL investigation determines that Crows did come across (or obtain) sensitive information and used this information improperly, a knockout final is no small matter. Whether the information cost us the final is not the issue, as long as our ability to compete on a level playing field is found to have been unfairly compromised.

Further, if Michael Talia is implicated, a tradeable asset has lost considerable value.

On this basis, could our lawyer President not argue that we are entitled to significant recompense.

If Adelaide were to be, for example, penalised draft picks, would it be completely unreasonable to claim these picks as a form of recompense (should substantial wrongdoing be determined)?

 

[immortalmike]

So i've got a conspiracy theory... So Woosha has said he has got the spark back for coaching, which has prompted him to pursue the Essendon FC gig, yet told Crows he wasn't interested in coaching them. I pose the question that is there a chance he is somehow directly involved in this investigation, which has prompted his decision to leave AFC to pursue roles elsewhere? I know it may sound farfetched but who freaking knows with this stuff. I just find it weird that he has flat out refused to coach the Crows yet would be happy to take on the basketcase that is the Bombers..

Potential counter. He was involved in hiring Beveridge and has integrity, thus he was a potential informant and no longer wants anything to do with the place.

 

[Sentinel]

Darcy definitely knows the full story (at least from the Bulldogs POV). This is much bigger than what the media, namely blokes like Barrett, have been reporting on (such as questioning the Dogs for taking it to the integrity department)- to me it proves that Barrett will go to the press on an issue without any idea of what is the full truth.

I was astounded at how quickly all of Adelaide, AFLPA and Pickering were to not only clear the Talias but, in Pickering's case, complain about his treatment. Given what our club is asking the AFL to investigate, which goes far beyond brothers casually chatting and accidentally letting something small slip, I would suggest there may be some backtracking by these parties who were so quick on the draw. The Dogs have handled this extremely professionally and any accusations of them losing face in this saga (ie by the idiots of the main board) are rubbish.

I just hope the truth (and not a watered down half 'truth' like the "two pieces of information only" or that the Adelaide coaches had no idea) eventually gets out rather than covered up, as per usual, by the AFL. Thank god we have a president who will back himself and the club in on this.

 

[glenashley]

Further conspiracy...... Campo not seeking Adelaide senior coaching position.....?

 

[grassman75]

Further conspiracy...... Campo not seeking Adelaide senior coaching position.....?

This opens up a number of possibilities......

 

[dogwatch]

Hypothetically:

If the AFL investigation determines that Crows did come across (or obtain) sensitive information and used this information improperly, a knockout final is no small matter. Whether the information cost us the final is not the issue, as long as our ability to compete on a level playing field is found to have been unfairly compromised.

Further, if Michael Talia is implicated, a tradeable asset has lost considerable value.

On this basis, could our lawyer President not argue that we are entitled to significant recompense.

If Adelaide were to be, for example, penalised draft picks, would it be completely unreasonable to claim these picks as a form of recompense (should substantial wrongdoing be determined)?

If M. Talia did what has been alleged and if he did it without being incited or "nobbled" then I can't see we have any claim on compensation.

When you select a player at the draft you take him warts and all. If he turns into a champion you have an asset that has increased in value. If he turns out to be a dud your asset has depreciated. (e.g. Compare Easton Wood at pick #43 to Matt Fuller at pick #42).

If it turns out your player makes bad choices that's hardly something you can get compensation for. So it is in your hypothetical with Talia. It could be argued we should have selected smarter or as BMac would say "better people" with higher integrity. Caveat emptor.

I could see Adelaide being penalised for its conduct if it can be proved they acted unethically once the information reached them, but I can't see how we could receive some form of appropriate compensation - the final series will be well and truly over by then.

 

[Fossie 32]

If M. Talia did what has been alleged and if he did it without being incited or "nobbled" then I can't see we have any claim on compensation.

When you select a player at the draft you take him warts and all. If he turns into a champion you have an asset that has increased in value. If he turns out to be a dud your asset has depreciated. (e.g. Compare Easton Wood at pick #43 to Matt Fuller at pick #42).

If it turns out your player makes bad choices that's hardly something you can get compensation for. So it is in your hypothetical with Talia. It could be argued we should have selected smarter or as BMac would say "better people" with higher integrity. Caveat emptor.

I could see Adelaide being penalised for its conduct if it can be proved they acted unethically once the information reached them, but I can't see how we could receive some form of appropriate compensation - the final series will be well and truly over by then.

Booo

 

[Gmod23]

If M. Talia did what has been alleged and if he did it without being incited or "nobbled" then I can't see we have any claim on compensation.

When you select a player at the draft you take him warts and all. If he turns into a champion you have an asset that has increased in value. If he turns out to be a dud your asset has depreciated. (e.g. Compare Easton Wood at pick #43 to Matt Fuller at pick #42).

If it turns out your player makes bad choices that's hardly something you can get compensation for. So it is in your hypothetical with Talia. It could be argued we should have selected smarter or as BMac would say "better people" with higher integrity. Caveat emptor.

I could see Adelaide being penalised for its conduct if it can be proved they acted unethically once the information reached them, but I can't see how we could receive some form of appropriate compensation - the final series will be well and truly over by then.

Unethically failing to self report. Something like that?

 

[Fossie 32]

Liam Pickering is on the Off The Bench program on SEN atm. Said there is 'nothing in it' re the Taliagate and that the club's treatment of Talia is disgraceful. They are going to talk about it 'in more depth' later in the show.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Perhaps what the club is doing is ensuring that this alleged 'cheating' is investigated so other teams won't be cheated in the future. It was funny how Adelaide came out and belted West Coast, for such a dud team that only just made the eight and Woosha left suddenly. Maybe nothing to it.

 

[Mutt]

Liam Pickering is on the Off The Bench program on SEN atm. Said there is 'nothing in it' re the Taliagate and that the club's treatment of Talia is disgraceful. They are going to talk about it 'in more depth' later in the show.

What else is Liam Pickering going to say though? Of course he is going to try to hose the whole thing down and portray his clients as the unsuspecting victims of a massive over-reaction by the Bulldogs. Player Representation 101.

The form of the AFL in doing anything at all it can to avoid controversy suggests that Pickering's tactic may well be successful, irrespective of the facts.

If there is a fair bit of substance to the allegations, then I'd be betting that Pickering doesn't know the full story anyway. Pickering is in a situation akin to many lawyers representing a client in a criminal or civil case: the lawyer rarely, if ever, knows all of the true story, and so hopes that they don't get blindsided by a lie or omission by their client which the other side uncovers.

We know so little of what actually transpired that I find it impossible to speculate on outcomes. The gap between what Pickering claims has happened, and what Darcy alluded to, is as wide as the Pacific Ocean.

We have no choice but to trust that the AFL Integrity Unit conducts the investigation with integrity.

 

[Eliteflyboy]

Well....Talia is definitely dead to Bevo if what they were saying on the MMM commentary is true that Bevo wasn't at an end of season review and second meeting involving Talia

 

[Doggy Dan]

Hypothetically:

If the AFL investigation determines that Crows did come across (or obtain) sensitive information and used this information improperly, a knockout final is no small matter. Whether the information cost us the final is not the issue, as long as our ability to compete on a level playing field is found to have been unfairly compromised.

Further, if Michael Talia is implicated, a tradeable asset has lost considerable value.

On this basis, could our lawyer President not argue that we are entitled to significant recompense.

If Adelaide were to be, for example, penalised draft picks, would it be completely unreasonable to claim these picks as a form of recompense (should substantial wrongdoing be determined)?

Nah, players being d*ckheads and being cut has never entitled a club to compensation. Think Barry Hall, Ben Cousins, Campbell Brown, Thomas& Keefe, Dale Garlett, the list goes on.

He is still tradeable, maybe only a third rounder but I'll take that in a heartbeat, 45 and 46 netted us Dale & Daniel last year. Both of these guys are considerably better footballers than Talia.

 

[Reptilia]

Well....Talia is definitely dead to Bevo if what they were saying on the MMM commentary is true that Bevo wasn't at an end of season review and second meeting involving Talia

Well that says it all. Beveridge is deeply offended ..he doesn't seem the type to get upset over nothing

 

[Easty]

Pickering going in to bat for Talia could end up helping us anyway, keep his value to other clubs above zero so we actually get something half decent.

 

[Toastman]

This is what someone who I would expect to know believes the Bulldogs know as facts:

We have been completely honest in the media regarding both the "two pieces of information" and that it didn't impact the result.

The reason we know there was a leak was because while one of the pieces of info discussed with the Hawks guys could have been assumed based on what went on in our game the other bit of info related to Stringer, which due to his injury was not enacted, and therefore not part of the game and so no one outside the playing group and coach could have known the info without a leak.

The info which was part of the game was relatively insignificant but the Stringer info would have had a significant impact if he hadn't been injured early.

D Talia was the person who we have been told spread the info at Adelaide.

There is no direct evidence to prove that it was M Talia and not someone else who told D Talia.

Based on this we are assuming the AFL integrity unit will find no fault given it isn't clear cut and based on their form at not finding fault.

Can't confirm these are true but it did add up when he talked about it.

 

[dish licker]

Cheney brags about it to Hawks players after their game, Hawks players feel fit to report it to Bulldogs, Bulldogs see fit to let AFL deal with it so its not biased, Pickers and others see fit to pillory the Bulldogs, Catch 22 for us. Also would be protocol for Bev and the club to distance themselves from Talia while the investigation goes on. Will all run its course till the Afl finds reason to whitewash it and make us look like sooks, yet it was originally brought up by a third party. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[Fossie 32]

Nah, players being d*ckheads and being cut has never entitled a club to compensation. Think Barry Hall, Ben Cousins, Campbell Brown, Thomas& Keefe, Dale Garlett, the list goes on.

He is still tradeable, maybe only a third rounder but I'll take that in a heartbeat, 45 and 46 netted us Dale & Daniel last year. Both of these guys are considerably better footballers than Talia.

Yeah we wont get any compensation but in dreamland if AFC were responsible somehow we should

 

[bullish23]

I am probably in the minority here but will post regardless.

Unless MT forwarded an email or notes as to plays etc to his brother then this whole case is going to be almost impossible to prove.

Our club to press the afl for an investigation better mean we have solid proof, otherwise we will look immature and sore losers as some have suggested.

PG is a legend of our club but he does have a hot temprement. Further I feel the loss really cut up Bevo. His post match comments were of a man who was certain we would win and was in a state of shock that we didn't.

Both a great men/leaders, so I just hope we are seeing the forest from the trees here, and as dryrot mentioned that we are not distracting ourselves from what we need to be doing now. Already having the press leak that it's MT at the centre of the investigation and that Bevo has ignored him post season has jepodised the trade value we could have gotten if all this was examined on the quiet.

Lastly I'd hate the coaching and playing staff to be of the mindset as this leak as the reason for the result and not our own limitations on the field which need improving to chase that elusive flag.

 

[Pugz89]

Potential counter. He was involved in hiring Beveridge and has integrity, thus he was a potential informant and no longer wants anything to do with the place.

Well played, would make perfect sense, and explain avoiding Crows at all costs in the future.

 

[Pugz89]

Liam Pickering is on the Off The Bench program on SEN atm. Said there is 'nothing in it' re the Taliagate and that the club's treatment of Talia is disgraceful. They are going to talk about it 'in more depth' later in the show.

No player manager will come out and be like "Yes, my client has committed an offence, he apologises wholeheartedly and we look forward to working with *Insert club name* to work out a resolution that pleases both parties" Of course he is gonna say he has done nothing wrong.