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Originally posted by Fullarton Power
lock up or euthanase, all the junkies
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Auschwitz anyone?

Seriously mate, even though you'll label me some "yellow bellied coward who has let the world go to hell" your views are frightening.

In your world, you set your morals, and those who do not agree/comply are simply eliminated/locked up/euthanised. This simply doesn't work in reality.

You pick some group of people, in this case junkies, who go against one of your "pillars of human morality", then proceed to declare them subhuman and unworthy of life, and justify first locking them up and then killing them (or as you would say "relieving them of their suffering") Sounds pretty much like what the Nazi's did.

Enjoy living in this immoral (to you) world mate, it's only going to get worse (to you) and there's NOTHING you can do about it.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
The question you pose is not feasible.
Simple way to get rid of supply. Lock up, or euthanase, all the junkies, no demand for heroin, no demand = no supply, = no access = no new addicts. .......
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Hey! Good news everybody ! You can't get heroin in gaol!
 
Originally posted by Yianni
Auschwitz anyone?

Seriously mate, even though you'll label me some "yellow bellied coward who has let the world go to hell" your views are frightening.

In your world, you set your morals, and those who do not agree/comply are simply eliminated/locked up/euthanised. This simply doesn't work in reality.

You pick some group of people, in this case junkies, who go against one of your "pillars of human morality", then proceed to declare them subhuman and unworthy of life, and justify first locking them up and then killing them (or as you would say "relieving them of their suffering") Sounds pretty much like what the Nazi's did.

Enjoy living in this immoral (to you) world mate, it's only going to get worse (to you) and there's NOTHING you can do about it.
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You're taking it to extremes. Its not some minor thing we're discussing here, it is a scourge of modern society that has created widespread violence and crime waves and has been allowed to folurish through inaction and cowardly approaches from politicians , lawmakers, and bleeding hearts. If you beat up an old woman in the street for $20 to buy smack, you're a victim. If you run over someone driving a car drunk, you're a bloody idiot. Strange logic.
You're right about one thing, it's only going to get worse, because the bleeding hearts and softcok politicians have got most of the populace brainwashed, including you, it seems, my friend.
 

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Originally posted by skipper kelly
FP.

You are always spruking about coppers not doing their jobs and how they are too concerned with minor infringements of the law, but now you want zero tolerance for a minor infringement. Do you actually have any stance or just blow with the wind.
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Heroin abuse a minor infringement? You got to be kidding me. Tell that to the old fella in Melbourne who just lost his wife to a junkie.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Heroin abuse a minor infringement? You got to be kidding me. Tell that to the old fella in Melbourne who just lost his wife to a junkie.
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That was using heroin or murder? Do you know the difference?

I am confident in saying that using heroin is a minor infringement compared to drink driving and excessive speeding, 2 of your favourites that the coppers should not worry about.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Heroin abuse a minor infringement? You got to be kidding me. Tell that to the old fella in Melbourne who just lost his wife to a junkie.
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Heroin abuse refers to junkies abusing their bodies and minds with heroin rather than any violent crime they commit.

I don't think you get out much. I don't think you have many friends. You are a bitter man. You're a serial killer waiting to happen.
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
You said we should eliminate heroin. I asked how. Your statement isn't feasible, my question is.

At least I'm being proactive, not chucking in the towel and letting the scum win.Eliminating it is easy when you face the facts and make the tough decisions.

capital punishment for being a drug addict. Riiight. And you want the govt to force your morals on everyone?

Fullerton Hitler.

Its FULLARTON, and you're throwing stones at the glass house ( again ) You want the government to impose your 'who gives a $hit' mentality on everyone, where's the difference? Capital punishment? Why not? Tell me any other approach that has worked.


How are you going to catch them quick enough to ensure they are being eliminated at a faster rate than new people getting hooked? Big Brother cameras in everyone's homes?

Big Brother cameras are everywhere now. State Governments reap in millions in revenue from them every week.People like you don't seem to kick up too much of a fuss about that though, in fact, they've got you brainwashed into believing they keep you safe. So why the contradiction when it doesn't suit your agenda?

Strange out of the blue statement about a guy who has a low libido, doesn't like pr0n, and resents women.

First and second statements are correct, third is false, offensive, and your own assessment, not based on fact but some warped idea that a man who doesn't wish to surround himself with females must resent them

And about 19.99 million other Australian opinions.

Where do you get your figures? Done a poll have you? Personally quizzed everyone in the country? I must have been out when you called.


How do you seriously sit there and call me an idiot?
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Quite simply because you are one. And a rather dangerous one at that should you ever gain licence to unleash your views in any sort of authoritive role in society.
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Heroin abuse refers to junkies abusing their bodies and minds with heroin rather than any violent crime they commit.

I don't think you get out much. I don't think you have many friends. You are a bitter man. You're a serial killer waiting to happen.
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And you should emigrate to Hollywood and be a movie script writer, you have a marvellously vivid imagination. as well as a warped sense of reality.
 
Originally posted by skipper kelly
That was using heroin or murder? Do you know the difference?

I am confident in saying that using heroin is a minor infringement compared to drink driving and excessive speeding, 2 of your favourites that the coppers should not worry about.
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It was murder committed by a herion addict looking for money to support his habit who stalked a defenceless person. Don't avoid the issue.
You too have been brainwashed by the revenue propaganda, it seems.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
It was murder committed by a herion addict looking for money to support his habit who stalked a defenceless person. Don't avoid the issue.
You too have been brainwashed by the revenue propaganda, it seems.
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Are you talking about using the drug or armed robbery/murder. Cmon you know the difference.


BTW
You spend a lot of time on BF. Why not get off your perch and discuss things rationally. You maybe surprised. There are plenty of interesting cyber people to interact with.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Quite simply because you are one. And a rather dangerous one at that should you ever gain licence to unleash your views in any sort of authoritive role in society.
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I'm not the one who thinks capital punishment for heroin addicts.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
It was murder committed by a herion addict looking for money to support his habit who stalked a defenceless person. Don't avoid the issue.
You too have been brainwashed by the revenue propaganda, it seems.
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So what's he getting charged for? Murder or being a heroin addict?

Not all heroin addicts are murderers. Not all murderers are heroin addicts.
 

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Originally posted by skipper kelly
Are you talking about using the drug or armed robbery/murder. Cmon you know the difference.


BTW
You spend a lot of time on BF. Why not get off your perch and discuss things rationally. You maybe surprised. There are plenty of interesting cyber people to interact with.
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I spend relatively little time here actually. And why dont you practice what you preach instead of trolling?
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
So what's he getting charged for? Murder or being a heroin addict?

Not all heroin addicts are murderers. Not all murderers are heroin addicts.
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It must be such agreat life, this blissful ignorance, and soaking up all the Government and the bleeding hearts throw like a sponge. Maybe I should try it some time. Sweep everything under the carpet and pretend it's not there. Yep, sounds like a great solution.
 
My take on the issue is this.

Out and out legalising of heroin is obviously not desirable, at least that is the impression I get from reading these posts, so were talking about dispensing heroin only to addicts. Personally I think it is a good thing. It won't stop organised crime or pushers, but it will make a large impact in the casual crime, break ins, shop lifting etc that really destroy some communities.

A dispensing facility would neither be glamorous or attractive, but junkies wouldn't care, as long as they get their fix.

There is the argument that why should society pay to get this people looked after after they have driven themselves off the rails. And the answer is partly economics; the savings in crime reduction, reduced policing, reduced insurance, smaller prison populations and partly social; brighter open communities with less fear of casual crime.

There is another far more radical solution though, not one I'm proposing but putting forward as food for thought. It's sort of like what Fullarton uggested, but make possession or consumption of heroin a capital offence. One or two executions and you can guarantee demand would quickly drop by 99% making it totally unviable for criminals. While this sounds gruesome, you can let one or two die by what seems extreme justice or you can let hundreds or thousands die from overdoses or dirty needles etc.
 
I'm hoping to build a massive addiction to heroin. I just feel I've missed out on something.

When I look around, I'm so attracted to the lifestyle.

Nodding is for me.

Haven't read all the posts on this topic, but generally I think that laws which prove unenforcable tend to make a farce of those who create them. Not sure whether this is a good or bad thing.

If pressed, I'd probably plump for a solution which involved less people dying. Still wonder if you ever really recover from smack addiction. The whole process tends to give you a skewed view of life, even if you kick it, though this could all stem from the illegality of the substance. Or it could just as easily be down to the people with whom you're forced to associate.

Or maybe even the deeds you're forced to rationalise. One wonders if it's possible to live a relatively productive life, as an addict, if you don't have to commit crime to purchase the drug.

Don't know, because it hasn't been tried here. Apparently there have been attempts in places like the U.K. to hand out the drug, to registered addicts. I've heard mixed reviews of the efficacy of these programs.

The only encouraging sociological stastistic I've ever gleaned about smack addiction: if you survive the first ten years, your chances are much better of not succumbing to an overdose. Not all that encouraging, really.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
absolutely not. Nothing could justify legalising heroin. Should be zero tolerance policies across the board instaed.
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now this is one of the stupider posts i have seen.

Zero tolerance across the board? zero tolerance to what? all illegal drugs? all drugs?

if we legalise a drug, does that make it good?
If we ban a drug, does that make it bad?

zero tolerance does not and cannot work.
 
Originally posted by Jim Boy
There is another far more radical solution though, not one I'm proposing but putting forward as food for thought. It's sort of like what Fullarton uggested, but make possession or consumption of heroin a capital offence. One or two executions and you can guarantee demand would quickly drop by 99% making it totally unviable for criminals. While this sounds gruesome, you can let one or two die by what seems extreme justice or you can let hundreds or thousands die from overdoses or dirty needles etc.
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1) Do you really think heroin consumption should be a capital offence. Do you really think that is reasonable?
2) You're sorely mistaken if you think demand will drop off by 99%. Everytime a junkie has a hit they are playing russian roulette and that doesn't stop them using.

Get a clue.
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
It must be such agreat life, this blissful ignorance, and soaking up all the Government and the bleeding hearts throw like a sponge. Maybe I should try it some time. Sweep everything under the carpet and pretend it's not there. Yep, sounds like a great solution.
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So you believe that all murderers/criminals are drug abusers?

You believe that all drug users/abusers are criminals in waiting?
 
Originally posted by Fullarton Power
It's like the debate about dangerous dogs. Anyone who has grown up with dogs knows that ANY breed of dog can be vicious if it is TRAINED to be. yet these so called ' intelligent educated people ' insist on banning pitbulls and rottweilers purely because of the breed,
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where are rottweillers are banned?
 
Originally posted by bunsen burner
2) You're sorely mistaken if you think demand will drop off by 99%. Everytime a junkie has a hit they are playing russian roulette and that doesn't stop them using.

Get a clue.
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I see the angry pills are working. Saying that a junkie is playing russian roulette everytime they take a hit is a meaningless glib statement. I could say I was playing russian roulette everytime I jumped in the car for a drive, or that I was playing russian roulette everytime I get exposed to UV rays. Junkies take heroin knowing it may kill them, but they also take it thinking that it probably wont. Increase that certainty that much more that they will die can lead to the pschological desire to live overwhelming their wish to satisy their craving.

So BB, what's your next glib statement?
 
Originally posted by Jim Boy
Increase that certainty that much more that they will die can lead to the pschological desire to live overwhelming their wish to satisy their craving.
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I don't think you understand how addictive this drug is.

There is a women's prison in Moscow. The prisoners that have aids are segregated. It started with just a couple of girls. The girls in the main section that were users were sharing needles. Gradually, one by one they were being diagnosed with aids and were moved to the segregated section. These girls knew that that it was inevitable that their time would come. Did they stop sharing needles? Did they stop using smack? No. The segrated section filled up pretty bloody fast.
 

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