Speculation Liam Baker

[Jeremias]

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[Get_The_Gaff]

What , reported by who?
If WCE ever ask for a priority pick (handout) it will end the club as a ruthless high achieving organisation. The entire board must go if this has happened, and the CEO chased out of the state.

Lol we had priority pick players in our last premiership 2018 .

Ruthless ? Mate we are push overs

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

2020 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Saad
Carlton	Saad (86 games) + #48 (-) + #78 (-)
Essendon	#8 (-) + #87 (-)

2021 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Cerra
Carlton	Cerra (53 games)
Fremantle	#6 (-) + #2022R3 (Carlton) (-)

2022 Trade for Out of Contract Tim Taranto
GWS	#12 (-) + #19 (-)
Richmond	Taranto (38 games)

Look, I don't know what Baker is going to go for. And clearly you would rate Taranto higher. But if Saad is pick 8.....

But heres 3 recent OOC trades. There's a bit to them pick wise. It shows that it is possible, even likely, that we're talking more than the equivalent of pick 25-30 here.

What that looks like, who knows

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Where did you hear that we've asked?

Someone said it on our board. Nothing official like an application but it has been bought up with the afl already .

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Listened to Vic media today and this is their take.

Bailey Smith off to Geelong for their 1st which could very well end up being in the 20's if they win the GF. Geelong has all of the leverage on this deal because he's out of contract and has picked the Cats. Too bad Doggies.

Liam Baker off to WCE for a split of their #3 pick or the Barrass pick as Richmond need to be fairly compensated with this deal.

Go figure.

Have not seen one person say pick 3 that's it.

They've all talked swaps.

Link to just pick 3 to Baker please? Or is this a strawman?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

It depends on our targets. I can see us splitting 3 for two good picks, not for a downgrade and a role player. Someone mentioned 3, 13 (HAW) + F2 for 6 (GCS), 9 (FRE) + Baker on our board. That would make a lot more sense to me than just 3 for 6 + Baker.

I can see why it makes sense on the WC board.

Tiges may entertain a pick swap (they are actively trying to move up), but they won't give up TWO top 10 picks and Baker for 3 and a mid first in this draft.

They just won't.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

2020 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Saad
Carlton	Saad (86 games) + #48 (-) + #78 (-)
Essendon	#8 (-) + #87 (-)

2021 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Cerra
Carlton	Cerra (53 games)
Fremantle	#6 (-) + #2022R3 (Carlton) (-)

2022 Trade for Out of Contract Tim Taranto
GWS	#12 (-) + #19 (-)
Richmond	Taranto (38 games)

Look, I don't know what Baker is going to go for. And clearly you would rate Taranto higher. But if Saad is pick 8.....

But heres 3 recent OOC trades. There's a bit to them pick wise. It shows that it is possible, even likely, that we're talking more than the equivalent of pick 25-30 here.

What that looks like, who knows

Ed langdon trade after 2x top 5 BnF finishes

The Demons handed over picks No.22, 79 and a future second-round selection for the 23-year-old, while the Dockers gave up Langdon, pick No.26 and a future fourth-round selection.


23 year old Brad Hill traded to Fremantle for pick 23 .

These are more likely trade scenarios.

Saad is a gun and one of the best running HBF in the game at the time of the trade .

Both Toronto and cerra were top 6 draft pick genuine mids .

You can't seriously think Baker is the same quality as these guys ?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

He is 27 years old and averages 20 possession and had a total of 10 Brownlow votes in 4 years.

Brownlow votes, dear me.

Harris Andrew must be a real spud then, he's only got 16 votes!!

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Ed langdon trade after 2x top 5 BnF finishes

The Demons handed over picks No.22, 79 and a future second-round selection for the 23-year-old, while the Dockers gave up Langdon, pick No.26 and a future fourth-round selection.


23 year old Brad Hill traded to Fremantle for pick 23 .

These are more likely trade scenarios.

Saad is a gun and one of the best running HBF in the game at the time of the trade .

Both Toronto and cerra were top 6 draft pick genuine mids .

You can't seriously think Baker is the same quality as these guys ?

Baker is better than those other two because he has a ticker, never gives up and he doesn't butcher the ball. He's is a quality player that I'm sorry to see leave us.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Ed langdon trade after 2x top 5 BnF finishes

The Demons handed over picks No.22, 79 and a future second-round selection for the 23-year-old, while the Dockers gave up Langdon, pick No.26 and a future fourth-round selection.


23 year old Brad Hill traded to Fremantle for pick 23 .

These are more likely trade scenarios.

Saad is a gun and one of the best running HBF in the game at the time of the trade .

Both Toronto and cerra were top 6 draft pick genuine mids .

You can't seriously think Baker is the same quality as these guys ?

No, he's not the same as Taranto. Cerra got value because he was young, but is he really that good? He's a B/B+ mid.
Saad is overrated imo and the Bombers did well.

I have said, repeatedly in here, that Richmond fans will probably be disappointed with what they get for Baker.

I am providing context without making silly claims.


I reckon something around the value of the Hill trade works. He went cheap for a number of reasons. And give me Baker over Hill any day. Baker turns up consistently. Hill on the other hand. His best is great, but when you're in the trenches he's at the back of the line.

 

[DragoDelph]

2020 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Saad
Carlton	Saad (86 games) + #48 (-) + #78 (-)
Essendon	#8 (-) + #87 (-)

2021 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Cerra
Carlton	Cerra (53 games)
Fremantle	#6 (-) + #2022R3 (Carlton) (-)

2022 Trade for Out of Contract Tim Taranto
GWS	#12 (-) + #19 (-)
Richmond	Taranto (38 games)

Look, I don't know what Baker is going to go for. And clearly you would rate Taranto higher. But if Saad is pick 8.....

But heres 3 recent OOC trades. There's a bit to them pick wise. It shows that it is possible, even likely, that we're talking more than the equivalent of pick 25-30 here.

What that looks like, who knows

Ed langdon trade after 2x top 5 BnF finishes

The Demons handed over picks No.22, 79 and a future second-round selection for the 23-year-old, while the Dockers gave up Langdon, pick No.26 and a future fourth-round selection.


23 year old Brad Hill traded to Fremantle for pick 23 .

These are more likely trade scenarios.

Saad is a gun and one of the best running HBF in the game at the time of the trade .

Both Toronto and cerra were top 6 draft pick genuine mids .

You can't seriously think Baker is the same quality as these guys ?

Thanks. Was going to mention Langdon.

Then there’s Aish, acres, Jordan Clark, (just from a Freo lense)

What about Jordan, Bedford, ginni?

I still think the best comparison is Aish btw. Their last few years compare very well. Baker has a little more mongrel, Aish a bit taller.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Aish, dear me.


Not a list manager with a job takes Aish before Baker.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Baker is better than those other two because he has a ticker, never gives up and he doesn't butcher the ball. He's is a quality player that I'm sorry to see leave us.

Current season disposal efficiency
Brad Hill 74.2%
Ed Langdon 72.5%
Liam Baker 65.8%

Don't disagree that he's a quality player, but deal in facts at least

 

[DragoDelph]

Aish, dear me.


Not a list manager with a job takes Aish before Baker.

Well not now!
But Aish was a third, if you pay a bit more for the wa tax and the campaigner in baker, that’s a second.

Actual output though is near on identical at the same age.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Current season disposal efficiency
Brad Hill 74.2%
Ed Langdon 72.5%
Liam Baker 65.8%

Don't disagree that he's a quality player, but deal in facts at least

I'd take no take notice of those stats you should be honored to have him play for you because he gives you 110 percent every game, he's got a big ticker for a little bloke.

 

[nut]

J

Current season disposal efficiency
Brad Hill 74.2%
Ed Langdon 72.5%
Liam Baker 65.8%

Don't disagree that he's a quality player, but deal in facts at least

Contested possessions ?

 

[Off Tap]

Have not seen one person say pick 3 that's it.

They've all talked swaps.

Link to just pick 3 to Baker please? Or is this a strawman?

Can't you read?

Seriously. Can you not read?

 

[amazingjoshy]

I'd take no take notice of those stats you should be honored to have him play for you because he gives you 110 percent every game, he's got a big ticker for a little bloke.

You were comparing to the other two and said he doesn't butcher the ball like them

That's the only reason I put up those stats

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Can I like hold a protest outside Mineral Resources Park with like a "Dont pay the Baker" sign ? Surely if half a dozen of us turn up Pyke will think twice about this shambolic trade

You would probably need 13 to turn up

 

[amazingjoshy]

J


Contested possessions ?

Re-read what my post was about

 

[amazingjoshy]

Can't you read?

Seriously. Can you not read?

Seems to be a theme

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Scotland got Robert the Bruce for a suite of late picks worth just over 3000 points in 1306, therefore Baker (better leader) is worth at least pick 1.

To b e fair Scotland had to wait 8 years to see the best of Bruce but it was worth the wait!

 

[Triggering Tiger]

You were comparing to the other two and said he doesn't butcher the ball like them

That's the only reason I put up those stats

Yeah but you compared him to two completely different players with a higher kicking percentage.

 

[Obeanie1]

No, he's not the same as Taranto. Cerra got value because he was young, but is he really that good? He's a B/B+ mid.
Saad is overrated imo and the Bombers did well.

I have said, repeatedly in here, that Richmond fans will probably be disappointed with what they get for Baker.

I am providing context without making silly claims.


I reckon something around the value of the Hill trade works. He went cheap for a number of reasons. And give me Baker over Hill any day. Baker turns up consistently. Hill on the other hand. His best is great, but when you're in the trenches he's at the back of the line.

Hill wasn't at the back of the line in the 2023 grand final was he?

A game won by less than a goal.

 

[WilloTree]

2020 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Saad
Carlton	Saad (86 games) + #48 (-) + #78 (-)
Essendon	#8 (-) + #87 (-)

2021 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Cerra
Carlton	Cerra (53 games)
Fremantle	#6 (-) + #2022R3 (Carlton) (-)

2022 Trade for Out of Contract Tim Taranto
GWS	#12 (-) + #19 (-)
Richmond	Taranto (38 games)

Look, I don't know what Baker is going to go for. And clearly you would rate Taranto higher. But if Saad is pick 8.....

But heres 3 recent OOC trades. There's a bit to them pick wise. It shows that it is possible, even likely, that we're talking more than the equivalent of pick 25-30 here.

What that looks like, who knows

Cerra was a 21 year old gun mid when traded.

Horrible comparison.

 

[Obeanie1]

I'd take no take notice of those stats you should be honored to have him play for you because he gives you 110 percent every game, he's got a big ticker for a little bloke.

OK.

We should take no notice of any stat's that disprove you view.

Got it.