Speculation Liam Baker

[Jeremias]

Time for some house cleaning.

1) Do not drag discussions or individual posts over here from other threads or boards.

Feel free to respond to those posts wherever they were posted, if you so choose.

2) Enough with the personal attacks. It’s a long season and this one may go the distance, so if you want to remain a part of the discussion, do it respectfully.

We will use thread bans and infractions if necessary.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

OK.

We should take no notice of any stat's that disprove you view.

Got it.

Show me highlights of baker butchering the ball often and I'll shut up.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Cerra was a 21 year old gun mid when traded.

Horrible comparison.

Gun, lol.

He wasn’t a gun. And isn’t

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Regardless of the result here, its embarassing and worrying that we are going after him as an Eagles fan.

 

[DragoDelph]

Show me highlights of baker butchering the ball often and I'll shut up.

They’re called highlights for a reason.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Hill wasn't at the back of the line in the 2023 grand final was he?

A game won by less than a goal.

The Brad Hill being talked about played in the 23 GF?

Who knew?

 

[the_interloper]

Regardless of the result here, its embarassing and worrying that we are going after him as an Eagles fan.

Why is that? Ask any Richmond supporter what they think of him, obviously the price you pay is relevant but the sort of player you'd love on your team I reckon.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

They’re called highlights for a reason.

Find a bad a game of his then, you're the disbelievers not me.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Yeah but you compared him to two completely different players with a higher kicking percentage.

I didn't compare him to anyone

I responded to you

 

[Obeanie1]

Show me highlights of baker butchering the ball often and I'll shut up.

Highligh reels are.......highlights.

Not lowlights.

I'm sure it's wouldn't be difficult to make one.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why is that? Ask any Richmond supporter what they think of him, obviously the price you pay is relevant but the sort of player you'd love on your team I reckon.

To say he isnt a need for our list is the understatement of the century. We just do not need his type and the cost is too high for the spot he will play in our list.

Im much more interested in Peatling, Garcia, Sheldrick and that is where I want our focus to be.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

I didn't compare him to anyone

I responded to you

Yes you did stop back peddling.

Current season disposal efficiency
Brad Hill 74.2%
Ed Langdon 72.5%
Liam Baker 65.8%

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Highligh reels are.......highlights.

Not lowlights.

I'm sure it's wouldn't be difficult to make one.

Find it or compile it and let's have a look.

 

[DragoDelph]

Find a bad a game of his then, you're the disbelievers not me.

That wasn’t the argument though.
It was around disposal quality, which has been shown to be around average.

But sure. How about 12 disposals and 5 clangers against Freo round 17?

 

[DragoDelph]

2020 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Saad
Carlton	Saad (86 games) + #48 (-) + #78 (-)
Essendon	#8 (-) + #87 (-)

2021 Trade for Out of Contract Adam Cerra
Carlton	Cerra (53 games)
Fremantle	#6 (-) + #2022R3 (Carlton) (-)

2022 Trade for Out of Contract Tim Taranto
GWS	#12 (-) + #19 (-)
Richmond	Taranto (38 games)

Look, I don't know what Baker is going to go for. And clearly you would rate Taranto higher. But if Saad is pick 8.....

But heres 3 recent OOC trades. There's a bit to them pick wise. It shows that it is possible, even likely, that we're talking more than the equivalent of pick 25-30 here.

What that looks like, who knows

Ed langdon trade after 2x top 5 BnF finishes

The Demons handed over picks No.22, 79 and a future second-round selection for the 23-year-old, while the Dockers gave up Langdon, pick No.26 and a future fourth-round selection.


23 year old Brad Hill traded to Fremantle for pick 23 .

These are more likely trade scenarios.

Saad is a gun and one of the best running HBF in the game at the time of the trade .

Both Toronto and cerra were top 6 draft pick genuine mids .

You can't seriously think Baker is the same quality as these guys ?

Baker is better than those other two because he has a ticker, never gives up and he doesn't butcher the ball. He's is a quality player that I'm sorry to see leave us.

Current season disposal efficiency
Brad Hill 74.2%
Ed Langdon 72.5%
Liam Baker 65.8%

Don't disagree that he's a quality player, but deal in facts at least

Here’s the whole pathway.

 

[Obeanie1]

Find it or compile it and let's have a look.

1. I really don't care.
2. I have better things to do
And 3. I wouldnt have a clue how to make a highlights video using AFL footage and software.

Point is every player makes mistakes and has poor disposal. Show me anyone at 100% effective disposal? They don't exist.

I've seen Baker do good things and also poor things. That happens to every player.

So a highlights package means nothing unless supported by stat's over a decent sample period.

Baker's stat's say he isn't the most effective user of the ball. A 2 minute highlights reel doesn't change the stat's.

 

[Joao]

I'd take no take notice of those stats you should be honored to have him play for you because he gives you 110 percent every game, he's got a big ticker for a little bloke.

Yep, that's why you'll have to throw in your 1st pick with Bolton to get Emmett from us. As we know, how hard you try is what matters most.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

That wasn’t the argument though.
It was around disposal quality, which has been shown to be around average.

But sure. How about 12 disposals and 5 clangers against Freo round 17?

Oh gee apparently you need to have Brownlow votes every game do you? I'm sure some of your some of your good players have had howlers this year too otherwise you'd be in the finals right now.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Yep, that's why you'll have to throw in your 1st pick with Bolton to get Emmett from us. As we know, how hard you try is what matters most.

Emmett who? Emmett Dunne retired years ago..

 

[Joao]

Emmett who? Emmett Dunne retired years ago..

Tom Emmett. Tries as hard as any player in the league. Is a cancer survivor and had some rough injuries in the past but soldiers on. Super strong will.

Bolton + pick 1.

 

[DragoDelph]

Oh gee apparently you need to have Brownlow votes every game do you? I'm sure some of your some of your good players have had howlers this year too otherwise you'd be in the finals right now.

You said find a bad game. There’s a bad game.

No one has said baker is a bad player, or that anyone else is perfect.

Simply refuting your eye test and baker tinted glasses with some small dose of reality.

Would love to have him. Not sure where he’d fit, but we’d find a spot I’m sure.

But a near 27 year old role player, who isn’t elite (but very good), is worth a second rounder in a very deep draft isn’t an overly controversial standpoint.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

Tom Emmett. Tries as hard as any player in the league. Is a cancer survivor and had some rough injuries in the past but soldiers on. Super strong will.

Bolton + pick 1.

Yeah nah we'll pass on him, you keep your potato m8 we have plenty of fowards that average more than he does per game..

 

[Joao]

Yeah nah we'll pass on him, you keep your potato m8 we have plenty of fowards that average more than he does per game..

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I thought you established that Baker is worth heaps because he tries hard?

 

[the_interloper]

To say he isnt a need for our list is the understatement of the century. We just do not need his type and the cost is too high for the spot he will play in our list.

Im much more interested in Peatling, Garcia, Sheldrick and that is where I want our focus to be.

You don't need an in and under player who can run all day who uses it well and can play forward, mid and back? Fair enough, I think most sides would.

 

[Triggering Tiger]

I thought you established that Baker is worth heaps because he tries hard?

You don't watch him play I did but when he does play for freo should you recruit him you'll comeback to me apologizing I guarantee it.

 

[tiger_tough]

Regardless of the result here, its embarassing and worrying that we are going after him as an Eagles fan.

Get ya hand off it. Your post is far more embarrassing.