Preview Lions v Kangaroos Gather Round 4

[Elixuh]

Norfball scares me

 

[martinson]

I don't think Lyons is up to much any more but why do people want to get stuck in to him and Lester who are good honest triers when we have more talented players on the list on a lot more money who stink it up every second week.

No problem ,get rid of Lester and Lyons as people are willing the club to do every time their name comes up but tell me who's better in the roles. For all his deficiencies at least Lyons gets hold of the ball often enough.

I mean I probably wouldn't play him either but what we need are more out of our 24-26 year olds that have been there a while and on nice fat contracts.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I don't think Lyons is up to much any more but why do people want to get stuck in to him and Lester who are good honest triers when we have more talented players on the list on a lot more money who stink it up every second week.

No problem ,get rid of Lester and Lyons as people are willing the club to do every time their name comes up but tell me who's better in the roles. For all his deficiencies at least Lyons gets hold of the ball often enough.

I mean I probably wouldn't play him either but what we need are more out of our 24-26 year olds that have been there a while and on nice fat contracts.

Let’s see what Fages does. Lester is a LOCK - let’s see if he gives Lyons a run.

 

[Dalions]

Dunkley had 4 clearances against Freo and McCluggage had 2.

Remember when people were proclaiming with certainty that Lester wasn’t AFL standard and was cooked and couldn’t run etc etc etc. A massive exercise in group think. There is a lesson there for people writing Lyons off. He had a good pre-season and he’s fit. I’m not prepared to write him off.

Dunkley is there as predominantly a defensive midfielder.
Lyons was our main offensive mid against Freo and had 4 clearances, hence why we lost the game.

 

[martinson]

Norfball scares me

Personally not worried at all.

But I can here the teeth chattering on some wise heads on here so that's a bit of a concern

And I wasn't worried at all last week either.

But we butchered it and the umps came along for the ride.

 

[martinson]

Dunkley is there as predominantly a defensive midfielder.
Lyons was our main offensive mid against Freo and had 4 clearances, hence why we lost the game.

Wil was a bigger loss than we imagined I feel.

Just that extra bit of run and carry out of stopages etc has made it hard.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Just another week of Fagan's pets in Lester and Lyons getting selected. Play us a new tune Fagan, this one is boring.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Dunkley is there as predominantly a defensive midfielder.
Lyons was our main offensive mid against Freo and had 4 clearances, hence why we lost the game.

LOL - we lost against Freo because of Lyons? It is a team sport.

Cameron 10 disposals for 2 behinds
Rayner 14 disposals for 1 behind
Lyons had more disposals than those two combined, yet he lost us the game?

Look Dalions - I can be intemperate at times but that takes the cake.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Wil was a bigger loss than we imagined I feel.

Just that extra bit of run and carry out of stopages etc has made it hard.

100% - especially when he was in the end of a handball receive from Neale, Dunkley or Lyons.

 

[Dalions]

LOL - we lost against Freo because of Lyons? It is a team sport.

Cameron 10 disposals for 2 behinds
Rayner 14 disposals for 1 behind
Lyons had more disposals than those two combined, yet he lost us the game?

Look Dalions - I can be intemperate at times but that takes the cake.

Rayner and Cameron are forwards, they are not expected to get more disposals than our main mid for a game.

 

[martinson]

LOL - we lost against Freo because of Lyons? It is a team sport.

Cameron 10 disposals for 2 behinds
Rayner 14 disposals for 1 behind
Lyons had more disposals than those two combined, yet he lost us the game?

Look Dalions - I can be intemperate at times but that takes the cake.

I'm going to go along with you a bit there 3KZ. And I don't like disagreeing with Dalions because he's usually right.

Lyons was a liability in some areas but others stunk it up far worse. It was a game we were never going to win however . They were too good. We were gifted a 3 goal start and still didn't get close.

 

[Dalions]

100% - especially when he was in the end of a handball receive from Neale, Dunkley or Lyons.

Not sure Will ever played when the other 3 were in the team.

 

[martinson]

Rayner and Cameron are forwards, they are not expected to get more disposals than our main mid for a game.

I think we can agree Lyons isn't the answer and is going to get burnt off against decent opposition.

What are our options ?

Get some games into Tunstill ? Reville ?? We've got Bailey ,Rayner and Berry in the team. Any one of those ?

 

[Dalions]

I'm going to go along with you a bit there 3KZ. And I don't like disagreeing with Dalions because he's usually right.

Lyons was a liability in some areas but others stunk it up far worse. It was a game we were never going to win however . They were too good. We were gifted a 3 goal start and still didn't get close.

I am not trying to blame it all on Lyons, it was a full team stink up.
But I no longer believe Lyons is AFL quality and the team is better off without him in it.
Due mainly to his lack of defensive run.

 

[briztoon]

Stealing copper wire from building sites and nbn installation isn’t a real job

Copper pipes from Churches is where it’s at. 3 families ate for a month from stripping Red Hill.

 

[Dalions]

I think we can agree Lyons isn't the answer and is going to get burnt off against decent opposition.

What are our options ?

Get some games into Tunstill ? Reville ?? We've got Bailey ,Rayner and Berry in the team. Any one of those ?

We are a quality mid short, have been for years.
If only Berry’s shoulders weren’t cactus and Rayner was genetically more capable of running out games.

 

[martinson]

I am not trying to blame it all on Lyons, it was a full team stink up.
But I no longer believe Lyons is AFL quality and the team is better off without him in it.
Due mainly to his lack of defensive run.

Look ,I agree with you.

But we gave him a 4 year contract when he was nearer the end and so we have him there which potentially hinders the development of younger players.

 

[Nunez]

Dunkley had 4 clearances against Freo and McCluggage had 2.

Remember when people were proclaiming with certainty that Lester wasn’t AFL standard and was cooked and couldn’t run etc etc etc. A massive exercise in group think. There is a lesson there for people writing Lyons off. He had a good pre-season and he’s fit. I’m not prepared to write him off.

The difference is Hugh and Dunkley offer a hell of a lot more than JL in every other situation. Dunkley can tag, play forward and play inside. Hugh has many strings to his bow too.

JL and Lachie are both specialist inside mids. When an inside mid is not able to win clearances and can't offer anything on the outside or in another position, they become a liability.

IMO, if Neale was missing this week's game (he's not), it would be the perfect opportunity to see what Jimmy, Dev and Cam can offer on the inside. We know what JL offers and he did not show near enough in the opening weeks to hold his spot.

 

[martinson]

We are a quality mid short, have been for years.
If only Berry’s shoulders weren’t cactus and Rayner was genetically more capable of running out games.

I know.

We're looking for answers where there aren't any and we just have to make the best of what we've got till Wil gets back and potentially Levi next year.

I'd love to pick up a strong 2nd tier M/F bull in the 22-25 yo range but they're hard to find and whether we'll have the cap space who knows

 

[3KZ is Football]

Rayner and Cameron are forwards, they are not expected to get more disposals than our main mid for a game.

They are there to kick goals. Fagan said it himself, we lost it because we were +8 on inside 50’s and couldn’t get the score on the board. Cameron and Rayner kicked a total of 3 points between them.

Dunkley and Lyons had almost identical games against Fremantle, Dunkley getting 1 extra disposal from 88% game time compared to Lyons 70% game time. I think you need to have a look at Dunkley if you are going to revisit that game. Dunkley had the best part of an entire quarter extra game time. He also attended 23 Centre Bounces to Lyons 13 Centre Bounce Attendances. Clearly you are wrong when you say Lyons was our main Mid for the game. Even McCluggage had more CBA at 17.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Not sure Will ever played when the other 3 were in the team.

True, but he benefited from all three at different times yeah?

 

[3KZ is Football]

I am not trying to blame it all on Lyons, it was a full team stink up.
But I no longer believe Lyons is AFL quality and the team is better off without him in it.
Due mainly to his lack of defensive run.

Fair enough. I’m hoping for a renaissance because we need him.

 

[Squizz89]

We are a quality mid short, have been for years.
If only Berry’s shoulders weren’t cactus and Rayner was genetically more capable of running out games.

I thought we bought Dunkley in to address this issue, but since he came back after he got injured last year he really hasn’t produced the same output. He now simply seems to be in there as the designated stopper for the oppositions best mid.

If we want to play a “loose tagger” type give that role to Berry and free Dunks up to try and win more of the ball. I don’t have an issue having Dunks run with the oppositions best mid during general play, because he’s about the only one you’ll know runs both ways, but I just think we lose to much ball winning ability having him play that role at stoppages.

We are going to kill Lachie with the current set up if we can’t find others to share the load.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I thought we bought Dunkley in to address this issue, but since he came back after he got injured last year he really hasn’t produced the same output. He now simply seems to be in their as the designated stopper for the oppositions best mid.

If we want to play a “loose tagger” type give that role to Berry and free Dunks up to try and win more of the ball.

We are going to kill Lachie with the current set up otherwise.

100%

 

[Happy_Neale]

Dunkley had 4 clearances against Freo and McCluggage had 2.

Remember when people were proclaiming with certainty that Lester wasn’t AFL standard and was cooked and couldn’t run etc etc etc. A massive exercise in group think. There is a lesson there for people writing Lyons off. He had a good pre-season and he’s fit. I’m not prepared to write him off.

If a fit Payne plays in the GF instead of Lester we win. And I say this as a long time Lester fan.