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IT IS increasingly likely Melbourne will have to use the No.3 NAB AFL Draft pick to snare father-son prospect Jack Viney, with Greater Western Sydney list manager Stephen Silvagni confirming the Giants will talk to Viney at this week's NAB AFL Draft Combine.

Silvagni said the Giants had yet to decide whether to bid for Viney at next Monday's father-son bidding meeting, but the Demons would have to use their first pick in the draft, No.3, to claim Viney if the Giants bid the No.1 pick for him.

The Giants' interest in Viney, the son of former Melbourne skipper and current player development manager Todd, follows reports the Suns, who hold the No.2 pick in the draft, met with Viney last week and were set to bid on him.

"Jack is an exceptional player and [whether we bid on him] is a decision we have to make once we go through all the testing results," Silvagni said at Etihad Stadium on Wednesday.
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Silvagni said the Giants' most pressing need was to bring more senior players onto their list, but would not say whether they planned to bring in more uncontracted opposition players.

The Giants snared Tom Scully (Melbourne) Callan Ward, Sam Reid (both Western Bulldogs), Rhys Palmer (Fremantle) and Phil Davis (Adelaide) under their uncontracted player concessions last year.

This year, they remain eligible to select up to another eight uncontracted opposition players.

But when asked whether the Giants would use that concession, Silvagni said: "Possibly, possibly not, but that's all I can say at the moment."

Silvagni said the Giants regarded Dom Tyson, the No.3 pick in last year's draft, as a required player despite reports he wants to come home to Melbourne and play with Richmond.

Silvagni also said the Giants had offered ruckman Jonathan Giles a "fair and reasonable" contract and it was up to him whether he accepted it.
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snitzel said:
Obviously Giles looks like a great player and I hope he stays and becomes even better and when he has done his time I am sure he will get his pay rise. If he wants to leave then I am sure we could also get a good deal for him.
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Giles might be a great player, might. And if we lose him it may look very silly in retrospect. However while he had a few outstanding games and was generally our most important player - he did go missing for large chunks of the season and his goal kicking was increased by not having Setanta in the squad. He should have been on a 3 year contract in the first place. But since he wasn't there is no point trying to give him first grade money when he simply has not proven he warrants it yet.
 

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Mountain Giant said:
Giles might be a great player, might. And if we lose him it may look very silly in retrospect. However while he had a few outstanding games and was generally our most important player - he did go missing for large chunks of the season and his goal kicking was increased by not having Setanta in the squad. He should have been on a 3 year contract in the first place. But since he wasn't there is no point trying to give him first grade money when he simply has not proven he warrants it yet.
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who had the best year giles or scully. imo & most peoples giles by a long way, so pay him what he is worth & move on. he is not asking for megger bucks just reasonable money.
 
dlanod said:
THE_GUN S2F nailed the same problem with your theory that I pointed out on the D&T board. Of the twelve prelisted players, only four may have gone above Tyson and I'd actually rank Bugg a bit below him - so three IMO. This year we're missing out on O'Meara, Couch and Daniher from the top level talent. Five to seven prelisted players would definitely not have gone before Tyson, unless you can pick the other three players on S2F's prelisted list that you'd have over Tyson? This draft is comparable to last year's draft at the high end, both in terms of the talent and in terms of what's missing from it. It's only when you get into the teens through to the picks in the thirties of last year's draft that the rest of the prelisted players would have gone.

That's why pick 9 for Tyson is rubbish, and pick 6 not much better. Would you guys have wanted to trade Cotchin for pick 8 the year after he was drafted? What about for pick 5? How about pick 8 and some player that is not a star and is never going to be one (that covers most players I've seen listed by Richmond supporters as trade candidates, including Nahas - I'm not saying he's bad, just not a star)? I'm betting you'd have said no to each of those.

Pick 4 or 5 might be considered fair value just because it's probably better than what we may get next year, but I doubt there's any way Richmond would give up enough of value to get a hold of that kind of pick. Overall GC looks like getting a better deal because they waited on Caddy, even if they don't get their exact value back. I suspect it will play out similarly with GWS and Tyson.
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I really dont want to get into a debate about which of the players would of gone before Tyson or where they would of gone because with these players you will be going on their 2012 games/Form and can pick and choose which players have performed better - BUT the fact remains gws selected these players before tyson.

I'm sure you wouldnt do the same with players selected after tyson that have performed alot better and so hypothetically greene,smith,tomlinson,hoskins-elliot,adams etc might have been a better pick, but with GWS having the first 9/11 selections and knowing wingard will be porst pick due to being a top ranked local pick - It was pretty easy to select as you wanted.

In Regards to Trent Cotchin - He was clearly #1 in most good judges eyes but some had kruezer depending on needs but carlton needed a ruckman and richmond were lucky that was the case but after cotchin it was clear daylight i dont really think thats a good analogy.

In Regards to wanting a star player ? No team will trade a proven''STAR'' for an unproven kid sure Tyson might and probably will be good and i would love to get him but you dont trade your proven stars - Defeats the purpose if your giving up proven quality to so far unproven talent.

The chances are the deal wont get done if GWS are looking for 'EXACT' or better for tyson but you have to admit the deal is a pretty good deal and nothing like the rubbish that was on offer last year for Caddy, There has been alot of chatter about dom Tyson wanting to come home and that he wants richmond, Generally if the player is that determined the deal usually gets done and the player gets to go home.

Hope it gets done, but i dont believe it will be this year - Good luck for 2013 guys !
 
9 and Nahas isn't as bad as 17 and Hooker, but I doubt it'd be enough to entice a club to give up a contracted player instead of holding on to him for an extra year and seeing what eventuates. GC are getting a better deal for Caddy this year because of it. Richmond can't just offer whatever and assume that it's going to be taken. I think pick 4 or 5 would be. I think that 9 and Vickery or something similar might be. But as you say - I don't believe it will be done this year.
 
Not a top 10 player, he was top 3.

I know you Richmond guys really want the kid but please just say it how it is and stop down playing his worth.
 
Yeah, I just had a look at the Player Rules where this is all outlined and that's the case. There's no mention of the PSD in 2012, only 2011. Funny omission to me, but I don't get paid the big bucks. :p
 
Guys guys guys, it's so greedy of us to demand a top 5 pick in this year's draft, in return for a player who was only top 50 in last year's draft!!!
;)
 
dlanod said:
9 and Nahas isn't as bad as 17 and Hooker, but I doubt it'd be enough to entice a club to give up a contracted player instead of holding on to him for an extra year and seeing what eventuates. GC are getting a better deal for Caddy this year because of it. Richmond can't just offer whatever and assume that it's going to be taken. I think pick 4 or 5 would be. I think that 9 and Vickery or something similar might be. But as you say - I don't believe it will be done this year.
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I'm Thinking you dont really know about the richmond team too much but you do realise that Tyrone Vickery is a KPF/RUCK that was taken with Pick #8 in a Extremely strong draft where Watts,Natanui,Hill,Hurley,Yarran,Rich,Ziebell,sidebottom,Davies,Hartlett,Johnston,Vickery were the top 12
Last year as a 20 yo He dominated CHF & Kicked 35 goals from 75% foward & 25% game time. and now has had his 4th year of development (coming into his prime)
Vickery for Tyson would get knocked on the head as a straight swap.

You mention pick 4 or 5 would be - your actually being offered up effectively pick 6 with the WB/Rich scenario

But look if it happens great , we will love Tyson but if it Doesnt Mayes,O'Rouke,Garlett,Wines,Macrae will do.

Good luck guys hope Giles signs
 

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Ichabod Noodle said:
I would have taken Blake ahead of Brogan last year, thought Blake had longer left in the game. This year, though, after a year in the bush? The call is marginal to come back. I always thought Blake and his gazelle like grace was underrated - but he'd have to have shown a bit up country to convince me. Junior played a year at Old Xavs and did all right for us. If we lose Giles he's an option. If we don't then he's still an option I suppose, but much less of one.
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I got to see Blakey play a number of times this year for Mooroopna and it was like they'd turned the clock back to 2007-2008. He was taking marks, kicking goals (not many, but he was taking shots lol) and his 2nd and 3rd efforts were first-rate. Made the rep team and won his club's B&F. It's only the GVFL but it's still a higher standard than most and a fair bit ahead of the TAC cup.

I'm not saying he's a world beater; not at all. What I am saying is that he is potentially a much better player than he was allowed to show at Geelong where he played a style of game that was solely based around putting the team ahead of himself. He's a solid and durable ruckman, physically ready to play a full season, able to give his team first use of the ball against anyone bar Sandilands or Cox. If you're going to compare him to Giles, do it on the back of his 2008 season when he was played as the sole ruckman, as Giles was in 2012. Keep in mind though; what Blake was required to do at Geelong is quite different to what he is able to do. Not as much need to drop back and fill in the hole when you've got Scarlett, Mackie, Hunt, Milburn, etc in defense or push forward when you've got Johnson, Chapman, Ablett, Hawkins, etc around goals.

End of the day, Blakey has a lot to offer as either the ready-made main ruck or a back-up to Giles and, having come out the best system in the league, his experience would be invaluable to an emerging club and team.

Plus, we've got a Blakey fan at home and if he gets drafted, they'll buy a membership lol.
 
people also forget that Blake often made space and was a marking option or a link option but that the others were too busy kicking it to the likes of Mooney Ablett Johnson bartel etc who were also open - who is going to kick it to blake when Gary Ablet is available? and he became unfairly labeled a "last option" which diminished him in the minds of many. Point is, he read the play and made the space but wasn't helped by the players around him who weren't kicking it to him. I always rated Blake as an option so it is good to hear that he's still capable. I suppose you don't win any B&F (club, let alone league) without showing something.
 
Ichabod Noodle said:
people also forget that Blake often made space and was a marking option or a link option but that the others were too busy kicking it to the likes of Mooney Ablett Johnson bartel etc who were also open - who is going to kick it to blake when Gary Ablet is available? and he became unfairly labeled a "last option" which diminished him in the minds of many. Point is, he read the play and made the space but wasn't helped by the players around him who weren't kicking it to him. I always rated Blake as an option so it is good to hear that he's still capable. I suppose you don't win any B&F (club, let alone league) without showing something.
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True. His kicking for goal isn't a strength but I do genuinely believe that his confidence would go through the roof away from Geelong. They were a great team but remember, Blake took over from Steven King who was very close to guys like Scarlett and Mooney, two of the key leaders at the club. That definitely put Blakey off-side but it's to his credit that he was determined enough to keep on going. He also lacks Giles' agility but he was surprisingly fast for a big man (Geelong even put him in the GF sprint one year), although I think that in adding the weight necessary to combat Sandilands he lost some pace.

Blakey aside, I think the club should be looking at Tom Gillies and Mitch Brown; both ready-made senior players. Brown mightn't be as necessary (although he can play down back) but Gillies would really add some strength and maturity to the defense. I'm of the opinion that when you build a team you need to start with the backline and I think that's what GWS have to do now - bring in a few physically mature guys (with excellent foot skills) who can shore up the defense and make sure that the team doesn't bleed goals every match; that's just dispiriting for the players and supporters. I think the forward line and mids will take care of themselves; the focus should be on the defense and rucks.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
apparently we are showing interest in Raph Clarke
http://www.sen.com.au/display-insidefootball/Clarke-set-for-Saints-exit/49940#.UG1AWUFFSN8.twitter
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I think he would be a good get for you guys. Wouldn't cost you anything and he is a bigger body to fit into where Luke power left. Clarkes best is very very good but his worst is very very bad. He is also one of the most courageous on our list, and seems like a really good bloke. Could be a good stop gap.
 
Looks like we will zone select both Anderson and Neade from our NT Zone


GREATER Western Sydney is poised to select skilful onballers Jed Anderson and Jake Neade from the club's Northern Territory zone
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with the Giants allowed up to 50 senior-listed players up to and including the 2014 season.

As part of its list establishment rules, GWS has priority access to players from the Northern Territory until next year with Anderson and Neade, who have both received All Australian honours in the past two years, the pick of this crop.

"We feel as though they're quite capable to be on our list," Silvagni said.

"At this stage we're thinking that they are going to be on our list, but anything can happen."
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149171/default.aspx


The final comment might suggest that we may use Anderson packaged with mini draft 1 to get the dogs pick 5 & 6
 
There is a big rumour on the dogs board

Richmond lose:
Pick 9, Nahas
Richmond Gain:
Tyson

Western Bulldogs lose:
Pick 5 + 6
Western Bulldogs Gain:
Martin, Anderson + Pick 9

GWS Lose:
MD1 + Tyson + Anderson
GWS Gain:
Pick 5 + 6 + Nahas

Opinions?
 
I agree just a rumor that's floating on the Dogs/Richmond board i wouldn't be opposed to trading 5 + 6 or Martin/Tyson personally, although it won't happen.
 
So with the trade period over we are now left with picks 1,2,3,12,14 & 28 - doubt very much we will draft anyone pass that point, so that would mean 6 new players in. Also during trade period we moved Hombsch on but brought in an experienced defender in Gilham. So currently we still have room to bring in

3 more experienced players in coming weeks, with a decision on Brogan still pending. It also seem with the NT zone players we moved on that we are less likely to zone select any players but as always time will tell.
 

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