List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2021

[David C]

I can only imagine Carlton or Richmond or maybe Freo asking.

Count Richmond out, no cap space.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Howe has been a depth player his entire career. Whether he would be playing on the wing in 2022 or across half back, he’s behind most players competing for those spots. Add to that the return of Gunston, Sicily and Impey only further pushes him behind.

If another team came forward during the trade period and offered their second round pick for him, take it and run.

Howe is in his prime years, had a career season and was a consistent player all season. He has previously had interrupted seasons due to injury or suspensions and 2021 was the most games in a season he has ever put together and he went about it pretty bloody well. He's no longer a depth player and was very much best 22 this year. With Cousins gone our midfield depth is one person down. I am sure we will pick up some additional midfielders in the draft but we are going to need experienced heads there as well.

It would want to be a very good second round pick to make me want to consider trading Howe, as it stands I think he's more valuable to our list than people give him credit for.

 

[Stratton24]

Do we know if Howe wants to stay?

 

[Hodgey 15]

Do we know if Howe wants to stay?

It was reported in one of the trading reports about a month a go (I think AFL site) he was expected to re-sign.
I don't know if anything has changed since.

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[TylerDurden]

 

[MrPremiership]

Do we know if Howe wants to stay?

Has he been offered a deal?

 

[MrPremiership]

"digging his heels in and wanting to stay"

What a snipe comment from a journo.

 

[Howe Amazing]

Hope he stays. 7th in the B&F is very commendable.

Hope he does too

 

[Hawkboy62]

Thomas Murphy and Schoey are two examples of players the club stuck with through thick and thin.

A lot will come down to our salary cap, minimum payments, who is available and what Ollie, Howe and O’Brien’s management think they are worth.

All 3 are not going to hurt us by letting them go. They may turn into handy players for a few years for another side which is fine and good luck to them if that’s what occurs.

I am sure as a club we know where they sit financially and in length of contracts.

In regards to what they are worth on the open market as in trade value the answer for me is not much.

Does a package of O’Brien and Howe plus our pick 5 get us pick 3 from the Suns? That’s what I would be looking at if we have our eyes set on Callaghan as an example.

They have no list spots even if they would do it.

 

[Big Hotdog]

Schoey is a different beast. He was never cut out to be a defender and he was actually a very capable forward. Unfortunately for him we killed any semblance of confidence and continuity as a forward by persisting playing him down back where he was a whipping boy and target of our own supporters. I think if we hadn't have been so determined to make him into what he clearly wasn't before he did his ACL he may have developed into a very good key forward for us and turned in many performances similar to the 2015 grand final.

The game where he did his knee against the Eagles he was killing it in defense. Gave Darling a bath, even washed behind his ears.
The life of a utility is never easy.

 

[Hawker55]

The game where he did his knee against the Eagles he was killing it in defense. Gave Darling a bath, even washed behind his ears.
The life of a utility is never easy.

He’d towelled up Hawkins just before that too. He seemed to have finally got the body/mindset to be our big defender down back.

 

[HomerJayS]

I don’t mind the idea of holding onto Timmy…

Time someone else a chance to wear the famous Hawthorn No. 23.

 

[Mojo]

I've flip-flopped over Timmy, but Homer J makes a good point; it's probably time to get this new foal moving. We know what we get with TOB - it's far from bad, but allow an untried pony to stamp their hooves and move this team up.

We have to be aggressive. No point sticking with the the reliably ok status quo.

 

[TooOldTooSlowTooGood]

Time someone else a chance to wear the famous Hawthorn No. 23.

Reckon would look alright ok Jeka’s back!

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Howe is in his prime years, had a career season and was a consistent player all season. He has previously had interrupted seasons due to injury or suspensions and 2021 was the most games in a season he has ever put together and he went about it pretty bloody well. He's no longer a depth player and was very much best 22 this year. With Cousins gone our midfield depth is one person down. I am sure we will pick up some additional midfielders in the draft but we are going to need experienced heads there as well.

It would want to be a very good second round pick to make me want to consider trading Howe, as it stands I think he's more valuable to our list than people give him credit for.

What does your next 22 look like if/when all of Sicily, Day, Impey, CJ, Moore, Gunston and Breust return to the side?

No doubt he's proven that he can be a solid senior player, but regardless I imagine Howe won't be in it.

The question is will he want to continue on as a player that sits outside our best team again?

 

[MrPremiership]

Since T.Mitchell has said he wants to stay, and no other solid information that we're trading out Wingard, Gunston or O'Meara.....we've only for 4 open list spots.

Something has to give. TOB or Howe might be moved on, or we're going to have to cut some of the uncontracted players like Maginness and Saunders.

 

[Brant]

Since T.Mitchell has said he wants to stay, and no other solid information that we're trading out Wingard, Gunston or O'Meara.....we've only for 4 open list spots.

Something has to give. TOB or Howe might be moved on, or we're going to have to cut some of the uncontracted players like Maginness and Saunders.

We've got 3x picks within 25, then not until 56 - which will be able 60 odd by that stage.

I'd not be rushing to force guys out to make way for Pick 60. Even 1 more spot (Ollie, maybe) would give us plenty of room.

 

[On Topic]

Since T.Mitchell has said he wants to stay, and no other solid information that we're trading out Wingard, Gunston or O'Meara.....we've only for 4 open list spots.

Something has to give. TOB or Howe might be moved on, or we're going to have to cut some of the uncontracted players like Maginness and Saunders.

Hanrahan

 

[Ned Ryerson]

What does your next 22 look like if/when all of Sicily, Day, Impey, CJ, Moore, Gunston and Breust return to the side?

No doubt he's proven that he can be a solid senior player, but regardless I imagine Howe won't be in it.

The question is will he want to continue on as a player that sits outside our best team again?

Howe was in the side when all of those players sans Sicily and Gunston was playing. Being that he doesn’t play the same position as those players I don’t see how they’d squeeze him out of the side. Unless Mitchell has a very different opinion to this year’s match committee I don’t see why Howe would be out of the best 22 when he’s come off the best year of his career.

 

[MrPremiership]

We've got 3x picks within 25, then not until 56 - which will be able 60 odd by that stage.

I'd not be rushing to force guys out to make way for Pick 60. Even 1 more spot (Ollie, maybe) would give us plenty of room.

Potentially, but also potential to bring guys in which takes further spots...

Reckon this draft might have a few decent late picks and gems

 

[Hodgey 15]

Not doubting this info one bit but it's the complete opposite of what Sam Edmunds said.

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[Ned Ryerson]

The game where he did his knee against the Eagles he was killing it in defense. Gave Darling a bath, even washed behind his ears.
The life of a utility is never easy.

You’re right, was remiss of me to not mention his good start to 2013 prior to the ACL. He’s just one of the great ‘what if’ players of our modern era. I’d love to have seen what he could have become if played in the forward line, particularly when he would have been playing on the 3rd or 4th best defender when he had Buddy and Rough up there.

 

[Brant]

Potentially, but also potential to bring guys in which takes further spots...

Reckon this draft might have a few decent late picks and gems

Yeah, I'd assume we'll look to bring in at least 1 role player via cheap trade & we'll possibly lose one the same way.

Richmond have 4x Picks within Pick 28, then have 40 + 44. Those picks might be available for a future pick if we want a 4th pick in the draft - save using 62 or whatever

 

[rei154]

I can't wait for triple premiership player Dale Hale to return to the gold and brown coaching ranks <3

 

[Mojo]

I can't wait for triple premiership player Dale Hale to return to the yellow and brown coaching ranks <3

*cough*

Sorry?