What are everyone's thoughts on Tom Mitchell? He's 28 in a few weeks and still potentially worth a first round pick. Currently I don't feel he adds value to the team. He wins a lot of the ball but seems to always give the hands off to another player in trouble or kick short to a 50/50. I think he struggles without a good team around him as he's not the best decision maker. 2018 was his his best year but we were a better side then. It looks as if we're now 3-4 years of finals so why not use him for currency?
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What I think is that Mitchell, O’Meara, Worpel and Shiels are three very similar players (mid-sized, mid-paced, hard working, tough, but low impact accumulators). Those players can be very valuable when surrounded by the right mix but not when surrounded by each other. They play worse in each other’s company. We don’t need them all. Two is enough.
Shiels is cooked and should be moved on. He should not be in the midfield any longer.
Worpel is the youngest so should be kept and developed as a centre square mid.
We only need one of O’Meara and Mitchell. O’Meara is the better leader and having the better year. Mitchell’s best is better (Brownlow level) but we haven’t seen that for a few years now. Both have had serious injuries that create doubt over their longevity and both will be in 30s by the time we are any good. I do think we should move one on and I think Mitchell would net more in a trade given his higher ceiling and O’Meara’s injury history. O’Meara might also be of more value to us than another side if he is to take over the captaincy
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I'd have him on the trade table and if he netted us a top 10 pick I'd certainly trade him. Would he get us a top 10 pick though ? Unlikely.
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we would lose by 100 points every game for the next 4 years if we do that
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Assuming that we get #2 would we look at splitting that into 2-3 picks in the top 10-15?
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No way known you'd be able to split it into 3 top 15 picks.
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if we get #2 it will be #3 after Daicos and Horne are taken, then that leaves us with a hard decision, do we go inside mid or outside mid? theres a few candidates we could look at like Matthew Roberts from South Adelaide, Jason Hornes team mate OR Matthew Johnson a tall classy inside mid from Subiaco OR we could go probably the best outside mid, an Isaac Smith clone in Josh Sinn OR we could go competitive sml forward in Josh Rachele it all depends on the National Champs but theres some exciting talent, maybe even Neil Erasmus could be in contention if he kills it at the Champs at the end of the year?
splitting the pick is an option too, its up to our recruiting team and their strategy.
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I think we have to be open to every avenue to get the list in a position where it can contend. Mitchell is an elite player that would look amazing if we had better players through the centre square and wings.
Let's say St Kilda or Carlton think he's worth a first round pick (in line with their recent list strategies). The question is, is it worth giving up 3-4 years of a player we know is at the elite level, in an area of the ground we are lacking talent in, for a late top 10 selection?
Most draft watchers aren't hyping up the top end of this draft as anything special. In an average year you have about a 1 in 3 chance of drafting a 200 gamer, and a 1 in 5 chance of drafting an All-Australian from picks 6-10.
Is that worth the last 70-100 games of Mitchell's career? If you think we are an okay chance of contending again in the next 3-4 years, probably not. If you think that's unrealistic, you probably pull the trigger.
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But would you do it if you could? Maybe throw in one of the second rounders and target 9-11? Just asking if we think that might be a better rebuild outcome?
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Surely you're going to have someone you're impressed by when you have a top 3 pick though.
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If we could get 3 picks between 10-15 yeah I probably would, as unless we think our pick 3 is a total standout that option would help us build the list quicker and turnover more spuds at seasons end.
I was meaning if we were to trade out a player and get a 8-14 pick. We might like the look of next years draft more. This will be a long rebuild so that is an option.
It is also very annoying that we may finish 2nd last and get the 3rd best kid, especially as it seems there are 2 stand outs. Copped a compromised draft last year too but at least the top end was very even.
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Would we though? Would we really? We haven’t had Gunston all year. Worps easily takes the place of JOM or Mitchell. Breust has been ok but the end is coming. And wings hasn’t been able to have much of an impact.
While it might make us slightly worse in the meanwhile. We are already awful. And a couple of those draft picks coming on plus the picks we already have would see us in a better position in the coming years than keeping all of the above players.
Our list is that bad anyone 25+ should be on the table for the right price. We have that little talent, we should prepare for the long haul.
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Yeah it is rather frustrating, but who knows if North happen to beat us this week then maybe Horne is a possibility lol.
No way. We need elite talent. Top 6 - 10 picks. If anything I would go the other way and trade up from 20 & 21 to 8ish.
Or, given we don't have a third round pick, use 20 & 21 to get top 10 picks via trade. E.g. Bruest and Pick 20 for Swans first pick (around 10) Or Mitchell and Pick 21 to Essendon for their first (around 8).
Wingard is the one player with currency I am happy to trade.
For starters has hasn't been here long so I am not that attached to him. Secondly, reckon Carlton would give us their first pick.
For starters has hasn't been here long so I am not that attached to him. Secondly, reckon Carlton would give us their first pick.
Laughable, we can’t afford to give up a player and a draft pick for a draft pick.
We can't afford not to. Along with North, we are the only team in the comp without a single champion player. And you are not likely to get one with anything other than top 10 picks.
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Midfielders and small/medium forwards will be on the agenda for MM this off-season.
If the forward-line is bad now, then how bad will it be when Gunston and Breust are no longer there? We have no replacements lined up for them.
If the forward-line is bad now, then how bad will it be when Gunston and Breust are no longer there? We have no replacements lined up for them.
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we've kinda seen it this year with Gunston out and Breust playing up the ground a lot
not very pretty
I don't think this is the worst idea in the world tbh. I'd hope that we can keep a pick around the 17-23 mark, but if we can trade one of those up to another top 10 pick I'm all for it. I think we'd be lucky to get too much value from any of our mids currently, so we'd have to give draft currency too, but I'd hope for something on the side as well.
Dons are pretty keen on an inside mid type- and a Mitchell would really help their current deficiencies (as well as probably show us how under-utilised his potential is on our current list). If we went for your hypothetical of Titch + Pick 21~ for the Dons 2021 rnd one pick (say pick 8) and either a 2021 second rounder or a 2022 second rounder (they trade up in the second round and get one of the best ball fetchers in the game, and we get another hopefully v talented youngster for our midfield).
If we could then use that pick on an elite pacey midfielder we'd be going a long way to turn our list around quickly.
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I would like 3 picks inside the top 20. The only way to make that happen is trade a couple of high priced stars.
Wingard would get us a pick inside 20 and so would Tom Mitchell. They would be our only two so if the price is right pull the trigger.
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Shiels retire
Burgoyne retire
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Howe
Ceglar (has a year to run so he may survive for 1 more year but that experiment is over)
Hartigan or Hartley. Take your pick.
O’Brien 9 years on the list is enough.
Cousins too slow Cuz.
1 of Hanrahan Moore Morrison (all 3 are just ok). Don’t need 3 of them.
Trade bait- Gunston Breust Mitchell Wingard.
Gunners and Breust possibly have 2 decent years left if the body holds up. I wouldn’t begrudge either if they wanted a change to finish up.
Wingard would get us a pick inside 20 and so would Tom Mitchell. They would be our only two so if the price is right pull the trigger.
Changes-
Shiels retire
Burgoyne retire
Delist
Howe
Ceglar (has a year to run so he may survive for 1 more year but that experiment is over)
Hartigan or Hartley. Take your pick.
O’Brien 9 years on the list is enough.
Cousins too slow Cuz.
1 of Hanrahan Moore Morrison (all 3 are just ok). Don’t need 3 of them.
Trade bait- Gunston Breust Mitchell Wingard.
Gunners and Breust possibly have 2 decent years left if the body holds up. I wouldn’t begrudge either if they wanted a change to finish up.
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I want to answer this at the close of season. If this is a development year it’s too early for me to hang out players to dry now.
Definitely want to target mids this year and maybe a tall forward
Definitely want to target mids this year and maybe a tall forward
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