List Management - Trading and Delistings

[_Mike_]

Talia has the makings of the next Harry Taylor (or better) so I don't believe that he would be used as currency for a trade. If anything, freeing up wages from Gia, Cooney (a possibility) and another 1-2 players may give us the ability to lure an established and developed KPF.

It will come down to whether or not the club wants to take risks on young players or invest on a KPF that has a few seasons under their belt

 

[fronkalicious]

Talia has the makings of the next Harry Taylor (or better) so I don't believe that he would be used as currency for a trade. If anything, freeing up wages from Gia, Cooney (a possibility) and another 1-2 players may give us the ability to lure an established and developed KPF.

It will come down to whether or not the club wants to take risks on young players or invest on a KPF that has a few seasons under their belt

Better than Harry Taylor? Wow man. Huge huge call. Harry's a beautiful kick and talia is arguably the top 10 worst kicks I've ever seen at afl level.

 

[koby01]

VFL..... massive jump to afl level... we have a heap of players that dominate at VFL level but never make the jump...

still not 100% sure about howard, have not written him off yet

 

[LukasTheGreat]

3 goals to Roberts today apparently, should play next week.

 

[doggies ftw]

3 goals to Roberts today apparently, should play next week.

In the dev league though, would play him in the seniors next week and if he plays well and our forwards struggle again then he would be a chance, I'd say Campbell is closer on todays game.

 

[Libba39]

Talia has the makings of the next Harry Taylor (or better) so I don't believe that he would be used as currency for a trade. If anything, freeing up wages from Gia, Cooney (a possibility) and another 1-2 players may give us the ability to lure an established and developed KPF.

It will come down to whether or not the club wants to take risks on young players or invest on a KPF that has a few seasons under their belt

Sorry Mike. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Talia is going to be a serviceable stopper and might play 200 games but he is never going to get near Taylor in terms of skills...

 

[timtamWB]

Sorry Mike. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Talia is going to be a serviceable stopper and might play 200 games but he is never going to get near Taylor in terms of skills...

He'll be better than a serviceable stopper, but true not near Taylor. I rate Taylor top 10 in the comp.

 

[BigGib]

"goes missing in one on ones"

Talia is our only sure thing KPD, why on earth would we get rid of him. Not to mention that he loves playing for the club and he has history here too. Would rather lose Roughy.

On the first point, maybe have another read. I said that he gives up on one on one contests far too easily. As soon as his opponent has some sort of separation, he gives up.

As with rather loosing Roughy than Talia, I am of opposite opinion. Roughead is such an underrated player and his improvement in the last year has been exceptional.

I reckon he will be our 'monster KPD' of the next 10 years.

 

[BRG93]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-12/mccarthy-to-be-ready-for-combine

Great News, Maybe someone to look out for at the draft

 

[Some Idiot]

Oh I wasn't interested in drafting another player with a broken leg. If it's not bad then McCarthy should be back on the cards as a second rounder or something.

 

[adam10]

Wonder what GWS would think about:

Minson + 3 for 1 and 10

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Wonder what GWS would think about:

Minson + 3 for 1 and 10

We've discussed this in detail. This is suggesting that Minson is worth more than pick 10, which is he isn't. No chance.

 

[adam10]

Minson + 3 + 22 for 1 + 10.

Use our third rounder try get a Trent West/Dawson Simpson

 

[Some Idiot]

We've discussed this in detail. This is suggesting that Minson is worth more than pick 10, which is he isn't. No chance.

Really? A straight swap Minson for pick 10, no one would do in a 100 years, losing a top quality ruckman.
Half of the top 10 draft picks don't even make it most years.
I guess it's a moot point, draft picks have strange value, and it differs from team to team and person to person how they value them.

 

[timtamWB]

Minson + 3 + 22 for 1 + 10.

Use our third rounder try get a Trent West/Dawson Simpson

Our third rounder wouldn't get either of those. Trent west is a premiership ruckman so Geelong obviously rate him, plus other clubs would offer more for him, and if you've seen Simpson play over the past few weeks he's worth more than our third rounder.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Can't fathom suggestions for trading Talia or Roughy. Our best back 6 is looking extremely solid You may laud the glories of a KPF, but great defences win the big one. I'll wager Roughy & Talia are key components of a versatile and capable back 6 for many years. JJ's had his break out, looks a HB lock. 2014 I expect to be throwing Roberts into the equation, and Morris being wound down but mentoring & used for specific opponents. Tom Young gets my nod as#6. Don't toy with a back 6 starting to gel.

Wood, Williams, Marko, Tutt, Pearce, Howard, Addo, Pearce, Picken, are not keys to the future. In 2014 they will either be: bonuses (guess which 2 ); traded, delisted, depth, or 1 or 2 surprising me & showing the ability to replace Morris. But what they have got/shown to date is replaceable.

 

[paulveed]

Maybe you should give some evidence on how our club will be on the bottom of the ladder 5+ years if we trade Minson? You're full of it.

You keep acting like it's a catastrophe if you trade out a quality player. Trading a good player will destroy the culture of the club where we are mediocre and our kids only know losing. This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

Hawthorn gave away Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin for the #1 pick in 2001 where the secured Luke Hodge. Yep, their culture was destroyed. They've been mediocre ever since.

You do realise Minson probably only has 3-4 years left in him right?

You think that trading Minson will be moving our list sideways. I couldn't disagree with you more. Let's just leave it at that.

No I don't think I shall "just leave it at that" Arkie.

If all you have to offer is to try and denigrate others whose opinion differs from yours, then that is a clear and certain indication that even you know your own position is flawed.

Secondly, just where did I use the term "culture"? What I suggested was that if you strengthen [ and that is debatable when talking about an untried kid] one area of the team by weakening another, how is that an improvement?

I have no objection to trading out any player who does not want to be part of the team. However where players have been loyal servants of the club, and expressed a position of wanting to remain so, for the club to be disloyal and throw them to the wolves can do nothing other than indicate to the young players who look up to them that the club sees it's players as nothing more than marketable carcases. So why would any of them not jump at any other offer they might receive from a rival club if they are left wondering if their's might not be the next head on the chopping block?

And yes, I am aware of Minno's age, and playing expectancy. Would you be prepared to wait 2-3 years till Campbell reaches an AFL competitive level, or alternately trade in some hack from another club, thus potentially missing the opportunity to draft a potential Luke Hodge, because we needed to use a draft pick to trade for said hack?

Perhaps we should simply agree to disagree.

 

[arkie]

No I don't think I shall "just leave it at that" Arkie.

If all you have to offer is to try and denigrate others whose opinion differs from yours, then that is a clear and certain indication that even you know your own position is flawed.

Secondly, just where did I use the term "culture"? What I suggested was that if you strengthen [ and that is debatable when talking about an untried kid] one area of the team by weakening another, how is that an improvement?

I have no objection to trading out any player who does not want to be part of the team. However where players have been loyal servants of the club, and expressed a position of wanting to remain so, for the club to be disloyal and throw them to the wolves can do nothing other than indicate to the young players who look up to them that the club sees it's players as nothing more than marketable carcases. So why would any of them not jump at any other offer they might receive from a rival club if they are left wondering if their's might not be the next head on the chopping block?

And yes, I am aware of Minno's age, and playing expectancy. Would you be prepared to wait 2-3 years till Campbell reaches an AFL competitive level, or alternately trade in some hack from another club, thus potentially missing the opportunity to draft a potential Luke Hodge, because we needed to use a draft pick to trade for said hack?

Perhaps we should simply agree to disagree.

It's an improvement because one of our biggest needs is a KPF. Yes you lose an AA ruck but that position is easier to replace. That is my opinion. You keep on asking the same question over an over. My opinion hasn't changed.

Forgot that you mentioned the destruction of our culture as a result of such a trade? Well it's in this post: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...-and-delistings.977120/page-548#post-29090305

I'm not sure what you're even on about here. Yes I'm prepared to wait and I'm also prepared to trade for a ruck or draft someone from the VFL whether it be the national or rookie drafts. Also you're not making any sense. If we were to trade a pick for a 'hack' ruck then it wouldn't be our first rounder. Your point is moot.

 

[SPower]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-12/mccarthy-to-be-ready-for-combine

Great News, Maybe someone to look out for at the draft

I guess I could search and find out , but what size is he , ie KPF or HF ala "Spocky Grant" and will only ever be Mid or HF/
Cheers
Stephen

 

[BRG93]

I guess I could search and find out , but what size is he , ie KPF or HF ala "Spocky Grant" and will only ever be Mid or HF/
Cheers
Stephen

195cm, 89kg KPF

 

[_Mike_]

Sorry Mike. I appreciate your enthusiasm but Talia is going to be a serviceable stopper and might play 200 games but he is never going to get near Taylor in terms of skills...

Very few players start out as champions off the bat. Most have to work their asses off for it, Taylor was no exception.

 

[_Mike_]

Better than Harry Taylor? Wow man. Huge huge call. Harry's a beautiful kick and talia is arguably the top 10 worst kicks I've ever seen at afl level.

haha.. I love it when people take things literally.. Having the makings, or capacity doesn't mean its a given, its up to Talia as to where he wants to take his career. As rough around the edges as he is, if he gives it everything he will make it.

Kicking is something you can fix and work on.. Natural ability is something that you either have or you don't. I had the fortune of seeing Talia play junior footy growing up and he has the drive.

Anyway, make of my comments what you will as they're only an opinion

 

[SPower]

195cm, 89kg KPF

Excellent size, that's our boy , apparently Marsh from WA, country lad is not too shabby either !!

 

[immortalmike]

Very few players start out as champions off the bat. Most have to work their asses off for it, Taylor was no exception.

I love how posters think players never improve or develop. They're stars or spuds from game 1.

 

[boydsno1]

If we trade Minson then we could always grab Wood from willy on the cheap. Has Afl experience and would be serviceable while Campbell develops further.