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BomberBro2 said:
Okay, I'm not a doctor but for starters:

Cortisone
Advil
Aleve
IV drip
Vitamin B
Vitamin C
Specific painkilling injections
etc
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You certainly aren't a doctor!

Cortisone is an anti inflammatory steroid. It does not enhance performance.
Advil is ibuprofen which is taken orally and is used as a pain killer and anti inflammatory.
Aleve is naproxen which falls under the same banner is Advil (NSAID).
IV drip of more than 50 ml is illegal. Less than 50ml doesn't even rehydrate you and is NOT a drug anyway.
Vitamins B and C can be taken orally. Ever heard of Berocca? Because of this they are not routinely injected into players. They also have no proven performance enhancement qualities unless you are vitamin deficient.
Pain killing injections are NOT performance enhancing. They may allow you to play on but don't enhance your performance beyond what you can do without injury.

So instead of making a stupid off the cuff statement that there are thousands of legal performance enhancing drugs used at every AFL club that are injected into players, just stop and think.

The fact is there are hardly any injectable PEDs used legally at ANY AFL club.
 
BomberBro2 said:
Look, we've all got our heroes that we idolise. We want what is best for the game, and Australian sport overall, but James Hird is a legend of our club and I can't imagine him injecting drugs into our players.

If proven otherwise then we should sacrifice ourselves for the good of the game.
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The problem though, is that Hird injected himself while on EFC grounds. He clearly had no issue with injections, so to suggest that he'd be against his players getting jabs, when he was doing it himself is wishful thinking.
 
Echols said:
The problem though, is that Hird injected himself while on EFC grounds. He clearly had no issue with injections, so to suggest that he'd be against his players getting jabs, when he was doing it himself is wishful thinking.
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It's a different situation for coaches and players from my understanding.
 
BomberBro2 said:
It's a different situation for coaches and players from my understanding.
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AFL anti-doping code suggests otherwise.

7. OBLIGATIONS(to the WADA code)

7.1 All Players, Clubs, Officers and Officials must comply with and observe this Code
 

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FuManchu said:
There are rules against having any prohibited substances on club premises.
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Weren't they off-site?

Echols said:
AFL anti-doping code suggests otherwise.

7. OBLIGATIONS(to the WADA code)

7.1 All Players, Clubs, Officers and Officials must comply with and observe this Code
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Coaches can inject themselves up to the eyeballs with steroids etc, as long as it's not on club premises. If Hird did it at home, it's okay legally.
 
BomberBro2 said:
Weren't they off-site?



Coaches can inject themselves up to the eyeballs with steroids etc, as long as it's not on club premises. If Hird did it at home, it's okay legally.
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You better cross your fingers then.

“In or about October 2011, Hird received, on Club premises, vials of Melanotan II and syringes from Club High Performance Coach Dean Robinson. Robinson instructed Hird how to self-administer injections of Melanotan II. Hird was aware that Robinson asked Hird no questions about his medical history prior to providing Hird with the Melanotan II and gave no advice as to any potential adverse reactions to the substance."

The report states that Hird made no adequate inquiries as to the substance he was being advised to inject himself with and did not inquire if Robinson was qualified or authorised to advise on the self-administration of injections.

The report says Hird also "made no inquiries as to whether the substance he was being provided with was or might be prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code."
 
BomberBro2 said:
It not Hird's role to say "no".

He's the coach of a football team, not a pharocological coach. How would he possibly know and be capable of making that decision?
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It shouldn't be Hird's role, but it was because of the poor governance as highlighted by Ziggy.

This is probably where the naivety came into it. A lack of experience too.

He should never have been in that position, but he was, and he made awful decisions.

The fault lies with a lot of people and they all bear responsibility. Dismissing Hird's failings is absurd.

Hird is also practically the only one left standing because he's the golden boy. Of course he's going to cop it.
 
BomberBro2 said:
Look, we've all got our heroes that we idolise. We want what is best for the game, and Australian sport overall, but James Hird is a legend of our club and I can't imagine him injecting drugs into our players.

If proven otherwise then we should sacrifice ourselves for the good of the game.
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Its not much of an argument though is it? Carey was a legend of his club. Ablett was a legend of my club. More trust due to the back pocket players than the legends? I don't think Hird was an intentional drug cheat, but he lost control of a cutting edge program.( that involved injections)
 
Echols said:
You better cross your fingers then.

“In or about October 2011, Hird received, on Club premises, vials of Melanotan II and syringes from Club High Performance Coach Dean Robinson. Robinson instructed Hird how to self-administer injections of Melanotan II. Hird was aware that Robinson asked Hird no questions about his medical history prior to providing Hird with the Melanotan II and gave no advice as to any potential adverse reactions to the substance."

The report states that Hird made no adequate inquiries as to the substance he was being advised to inject himself with and did not inquire if Robinson was qualified or authorised to advise on the self-administration of injections.

The report says Hird also "made no inquiries as to whether the substance he was being provided with was or might be prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code."
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- He didn't inject anything on club premises
- Anything in his own home is fair game

Where has he broken ASADA rules?
 
BomberBro2 said:
- He didn't inject anything on club premises
- Anything in his own home is fair game

Where has he broken ASADA rules?
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Where does it say that?

It's good that you're making excuses for your ex-coaches love of jabbing himself though.
 
Underdog said:
It shouldn't be Hird's role, but it was because of the poor governance as highlighted by Ziggy.

This is probably where the naivety came into it. A lack of experience too.

He should never have been in that position, but he was, and he made awful decisions.

The fault lies with a lot of people and they all bear responsibility. Dismissing Hird's failings is absurd.

Hird is also practically the only one left standing because he's the golden boy. Of course he's going to cop it.
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Good post...

I'm not sure what to believe really.

But I know Hird wouldn't lie to all of us loyal supporters through all this mess.
 

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