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Little has seen the evidence
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Free hit = no consequences, not no $$$
**** sake some of you clowns are seriously dumb
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Yeah, but there are consequences. McDevitt seemed willing to make a deal, which would have lessened the penalties. Now i doubt ASADA will be willing to make a deal and will push for the full 2 years, I know my attitude has hardened as a result of the bullshit fishing expidition court case. There was a time where I hoped the players got a small penalty, but now I hope they are punished to the full extent of the rules.
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I also say people should not get too cocky about INs too but their cockiness is slightly more justified if SCNs have issued. But players can respond and challenge and if they're innocent good luck to them. I mean that btw.
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$2m it is not, but yes, this is costing money. However...
How much do you think we've lost with this going on forever?
How much do you think responding to the SCNs would cost? It's a legal exercise.
This is the first proactive step the club have been able to take and they've done so. If it succeeds, the SCNs will be withdrawn. If it fails, the players will answer them anyway. If ASADA re-issues them anyway, they'll answer them. There are no further consequences to this action, which is why it's been taken.
ASADA says they'll reissue, yes. Will they? Who knows?
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Same here. The truth is that NONE of us know what ASADA's evidence is. It is as conceivable that the players didn't take banned substances, as it is that they did. While anti doping codes ARE harsh, especially the penalties, I think the process that gets you to the penalties is relatively fair. IF they are innocent, then they should be able to prove that, and they should be allowed to, and encouraged to, by the club.
Personally, I'm still unsure as to whether they did take banned substances. But there is circumstantial evidence in the public domain that suggests there is a strong chance they did, but we would be naive to think there isn't evidence/information for both possibilities that isn't available to us.
I think the CLUB made a whole heap of bad decisions, and they deserve a LOT of criticism and condemnation for it. That doesn't neccesarily mean that they are guilty of doping though. Regardless, ASADA needs to be allowed to finish the process. The sooner it's over one way or another, the better it is for Essendon, and the rest of the AFL.
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One of the major bits of circumstantial evidence will likely be similar fact evidence. I have enjoyed reading some posts recently saying "only a couple of players said they used amino acids so the others, at least, should get off". Similar fact evidence says a big hello!!
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But similar fact evidence is circumstantial evidence and courts NEVER use that...do they?....um....
It may succeed but that does not mean the judge will throw all the evidence out and stop ASADA from either re-issuing the SCN or doing interviews again. Keep living in fairy land if you think ASADA and WADA are just going to walk away from this and let it all slide.
Actually think you'd better ask your club for some of that "All Lube-Plus". You're going to need it as it will be your butt that's hurting....lol!
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Of course it doesn't mean that.
Again - the club and players believe they're innocent and this is the first proactive step of any kind they've been able to take since this investigation morphed into something completely ridiculous in terms of both timeframe and public leaking by the investigators.
So they've taken the step. You may think it worthless, some legal heads disagree. In any case, the marginal consequences of it, even in failure, are negligable.
they say they are innocent, believe?
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OK, they say they're innocent, but really beleive they're guilty.
You're just projecting, it's meaningless.
Unless you know what happened, you can't say you know what they believe
If they believed they are innocent they would be answering the SCN. Innocent people do not fight the process and try to get evidence suppressed. You are swallowing the EFC propaganda machine beautifully.
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I'd find it hard to believe that Little has just lied outright about seeing the evidence. If he hadn't, it would be so easy for ASADA or whoever to release a statement saying blah blah the evidence has not been seen by any but those who were investigating etc.
So he probably has...
So he probably has...
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Fight the process?
They've co-operated fully since day dot and even been publicly praised by ASADA investigators for their conduct.
Everybody - including innocent people - actually, particularly innocent people - is more than entitled to challenge the conduct of a law enforcement body (which ASADA effectively are), where it's having a substantial impact on their lives and is possibly unlawful.
I agree enough with that.
Certainly goes both ways, SCN are far from guilt being proven.
I argue simuar when people cite Downes, R Young as why the players are gone. We don'y know what their advice was we can only guess. WHile I certainly don't believe they said you have nothing, there is a difference between saying you have case vs a strong case, or water tight gold stamped IN as some are saying either.
Could be numerous reason the SCN were issed, one obviously being ASADA believe Tb4 was used. Could be pressure from WADA, the Libs, public pressure etc.
Lots of guessing form both side (mine included at times) as to what is going on.
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This is all sounding way too sensible for the HTB!
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If we win this court case and bring about our desired outcome, there will be a lot of tears in this thread.
The "evidence" may be shown up to be an unlawful, circumstantial, politically-influenced pile of garbage. If so, there will be no SCNs and you'll never know the full story and feel compelled to whinge about it for years
The "evidence" may be shown up to be an unlawful, circumstantial, politically-influenced pile of garbage. If so, there will be no SCNs and you'll never know the full story and feel compelled to whinge about it for years
And your club will be forever regarded as drug cheats which you can whinge about for years. Evidence is evidence. Claiming it is politically influenced is just a deflection by the EFC propaganda machine. Andruska denied she was influenced.If we win this court case and bring about our desired outcome, there will be a lot of tears in this thread.
The "evidence" may be shown up to be an unlawful, circumstantial, politically-influenced pile of garbage. If so, there will be no SCNs and you'll never know the full story and feel compelled to whinge about it for years
