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You had a player miss a GF for a round arm to the face that was very poorly-disguised as a "spoil"
Lobb spoil on Cox
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You had a player miss a GF for a round arm to the face that was very poorly-disguised as a "spoil"
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Normally I would think that its an accident and should be a fine at most but......
Yeo had a similar incident a few years back and even skimmed the ball with the spoil but hit his opponent resulting in an unfortunate bloody nose .
Got a week for it so now with the afl going bat shit on head high contact I'm predicting 2 weeks .
Heeney also got a week last year for trying to break a hold on a lead and getting someone high .
Yeo had a similar incident a few years back and even skimmed the ball with the spoil but hit his opponent resulting in an unfortunate bloody nose .
Got a week for it so now with the afl going bat shit on head high contact I'm predicting 2 weeks .
Heeney also got a week last year for trying to break a hold on a lead and getting someone high .
This was posted by Gordon2016 on our board. Looks like there might be some merit in the deflection explanation. Also look where Lobbs eyes are, his arm is locked straight. They couldn’t suspend a bloke for this.
Mason should come and say he was concussed and watch the afl twist themselves into a pretzel to find out why Lobb should now be suspended.
To not even get a fine for a high impact fist to the face is hilarious in the “protect the head” era. What a joke
To not even get a fine for a high impact fist to the face is hilarious in the “protect the head” era. What a joke
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"This doesn't happen often, most players would show more care than Lobb did in these circumstances."
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The difference between the two incidents is one player actually had a play on the ball.
Can’t see Lobb’s bloody eyes in that photo.
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If you believe for one second what you just wrote then you really don't know anything about the MRO. I'll tell you the only key difference between the two incidents in a single word at the end of this post. Both incidents caused severe impact to the head. In both cases the contact was accidental, and the offending players were found to have no reasonable alternative. There is only one thing that creates a difference. It's the difference between guilty and not guilty, it's the difference between 0 weeks and 3 weeks. Ready for it? Here it is:
Concussion.
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That's a decent tangent responding to a post that didn't mention the MRO at all. Yes, I believe for multiple seconds that in one incident offending player was able to get to the contest and have a realistic chance at a contesting the ball, where as in the other the offending player was not able to get to the contest and have a realistic chance at a contesting the ball. I hope this clears it up.
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Why do you keep harping on about contesting the ball? Lobb didn't touch the ball, and neither did Archer. Be it clumsiness, poor technique or bad luck, he didn't contest the ball, but instead punched Cox in the jaw.
Both of these incidents were assessed, as all incidents are now, on the basis of injury. Neither of these incidents occurred behind play, or involved an intentional bump like Lynch, or a swinging arm like Scrimshaw last week. Arguing that either of these incidents is more worthy of a suspension than the other is pointless. There is no difference.
Archer accidentally makes forceful contact to Cleary's head. If Cleary is not concussed: 0 weeks. If Cleary is concussed: 1-3 weeks.
Lobb accidentally makes forceful contact with Cox's head. If Cox is not concussed: 0 weeks. If Cox is concussed: 1-3 weeks.
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Because it’s an important difference between the two situations, and yes, Lobb definitely contested the ball. Archer openly admitted he wasn’t. There has also been a lot of players that have been suspended despite no concussion, for what it’s worth.
Why does it sound like you’re saying a contest can only be a contest if both players in the contest touch the ball? Because that’s nonsense. Would appreciate clarification.
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Is "contesting the ball" is the only valid action in football? Tackling, smothering, shepherding or simply running in the direction of the ball are all legal football actions. If a player accidentally hurts someone in the course of undertaking one of those actions, I see no reason why it should be deemed more severe than accidentally hurting someone in the course of spoiling. By the way, you can keep saying that Lobb "contested the ball", but he didn't touch it. He went to spoil, he didn't spoil at all, instead got him in the head. Archer went to tackle, he didn't tackle at all, got Cleary in the head.
For intentional bumps, strikes, swinging arms, yes. Not many where the contact itself is accidental.
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Thanks for demonstrating how a Bulldogs supporter can so expertly spot an important difference between an incident where a Bulldogs player was the victim, and another where they were the perpetrator. Really glad we had the conversation.
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and here i felt sorry for you losing with 4 sec to go!
a detached retina is not a laughing matter.
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You’re welcome to go through my posting history to see how I felt about the Archer incident.
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Thanks, but I'd sooner die.
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Mate, either one is fine by me.
I do think you need to be be to go for a mark without getting punched in the face. But this photo does seem to show the Lobb's fist has ricocheted off the ball onto the unfortunate Cox's cheekbone. Whilst Lobb hasn't directed the punch perfectly, you would be hard pressed to call his attempt to spoil unreasonable. So I can see why he has avoided suspension here.
Lobb is trying to execute a perfectly acceptable football action. SO the question arises did he execute this in the way a reasonable player would do. And of course any reasonable player would punch Mason Cox as hard as possible in the face at any opportunity. So no penalty.
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What deflection? It's a terrible spoil, he misses the ball and smashes the player in the face. His only defence is that it was completely accidental, which is a good defence in my book, and I'm glad he wasn't suspended. But don't delude yourself into thinking they would've let him off if Cox had been knocked out.
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Dangerous precedent to set imo
Who knew the " Unco as **** " defense was a thing but here we are
Who knew the " Unco as **** " defense was a thing but here we are
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Was set when Maynard got off for his "clumsy smother". The clumsiness defense is pretty laughable. Can you imagine what Bevo would say to Lobb if one of his "clumsy spoils" clocked Sam Darcy's jaw at training? Or Craig McCrae if a Maynard "eyes only for the ball" smother KO'd Nick Daicos at training?
The real problem with the AFL is the unconscious bias towards certain players.
If this incident involved Toby Greene or Brayden Maynard would they be rubbed out?
Would their history, unconsciously, in the eyes of the adjudicator (including the public), influence them to think of this type of spoil as intentional ?
If this incident involved Toby Greene or Brayden Maynard would they be rubbed out?
Would their history, unconsciously, in the eyes of the adjudicator (including the public), influence them to think of this type of spoil as intentional ?
