Local Geelong Leagues Thread (GFL/BFL/GDFL)

[dcshoecousa]

I did not know that this was the site for the Nth Shore Football Club - lets talk about the teams that are going to be up there in 2008 not down the bottom of the ladder fighting it out for the wooden spoon with teams like St.Albans and Lara!!

Nth Shore is topic of the week, if u dont like it, dont read or reply to this forum you brick!

 

[clangers mcgee]

drysdale have picked up corey chapman, kane purcell and have named luke matthews as an assistant coach

yeah i heard matthews called a meeting with all the players and told them he's leaving because they arent commited enough. and singled out his mates. not sure about that. so he goes to drysdale. that doesnt make much sense

 

[clangers mcgee]

also i heard from 2 reliable sources that wilde and chambers are getting around $1,000 a game at west. where do they get all there money from? remember they have also employed a full time football director in a paid position. word has it they will spend upwards of 160,000 this year just on player payments

 

[BrownSugar]

also i heard from 2 reliable sources that wilde and chambers are getting around $1,000 a game at west. where do they get all there money from? remember they have also employed a full time football director in a paid position. word has it they will spend upwards of 160,000 this year just on player payments

You better check your two reliable sources then because West has nowhere near that amount of money & only the same sponsors, etc that they have alsways had; it's amazing what a change in direction and culture can do & reap. Chambers' girlfriend is the sister of one of the current players and Wilde's wife's family are St Peters life members; hence recruitment made a bit easier with those two dare I say; couple that with the fact that last year's skipper has left means there is relief in player payments. Also, a club like West which is on the way up would not be paying anywhere near that figure for one player let alone one who has one, possibly two years left in him. As far as the full-time manager goes; I would assume it would work the same way as Football Geelong CEO; ie. More time devoted to recruiting club sponsors; thus the sponsors in a round about way pay for the club employee who at the same time can devote maximum time towards getting the house in order. Surprised more clubs aren't doing it.

 

[Fat Mexican]

also i heard from 2 reliable sources that wilde and chambers are getting around $1,000 a game at west. where do they get all there money from? remember they have also employed a full time football director in a paid position. word has it they will spend upwards of 160,000 this year just on player payments

I think someone is having a lend of you. If they are paying that it would mean that every player that runs onto the field for the seniors would be getting on average $400 a game ($160,000/20 games/20 players = $400 per game per players). I dont know what their policy is on paying the 2's but that seems extravagent.

 

[clangers mcgee]

just sayin what ive heard mate. they would probably have the money built up over a few seasons. you ass on incentives to player payments. its not as silly as it sounds. they also have a few high profile players who would be on a bit more than the 400

 

[Rooster07]

just sayin what ive heard mate. they would probably have the money built up over a few seasons. you ass on incentives to player payments. its not as silly as it sounds. they also have a few high profile players who would be on a bit more than the 400

I can categorically deny West are spending that much as a whole or on Wilde and Chambers. Truth is Chambers was close to playing last year. Then he rang Ricco in September this year out of the blue and said he wants to play with his 'brother in law' and with Ricco and Paul Carson(whom he played with in juniors before being drafted).
Wilde is playing with the roosters as his wife and her family are strong GWSP people. His brother in law(Sean Lever) will also be back, and his best mate is president. He decided to play without even talking to coach, treasurer etc about a package.
As far as the overall team sits, West would not be in the top 3 in player payments. They do have some high profile players but i can guarantee you all would be able to earn much more at other clubs in Geelong and have been offered plenty. The likes of Faulkner, Saunders, Jack etc are all good mates who just want to play with each other.
And as brownsugar said about the full time CEO, he will pay for himself. Within 5 years all GFL clubs will have 1. IT is tough to run a footy club while working full time elsewhere, so if you can have someone doing all the work and hopefully increase sponsorship, then why not

 

[onthecouch]

just sayin what ive heard mate. they would probably have the money built up over a few seasons. you ass on incentives to player payments. its not as silly as it sounds. they also have a few high profile players who would be on a bit more than the 400

It is as silly as it sounds clangers, they would not even break the 100k mark. I know at least three or four blokes at the club and they play regular snrs and dont get paid a match payment, they do get incentives when in the best 5-6 players, but to base your figures on 400 each on average is a joke. If they spend that what are bell park, sth barwon and so on spending 200k. If payments get to these figures clubs will be in strife.

Your so called sources are kidding themselves champ.

 

[clangers mcgee]

sorry on the couch, i didnt realise you've never got anything wrong. i apologise

 

[onthecouch]

sorry on the couch, i didnt realise you've never got anything wrong. i apologise

Wasnt having a go at you champ just letting you know that your sources were well of the mark. Thats what the forums all about people throw up topics and people comment on them, confirm rumours or player movements or give the facts and opinions on everthing about footy.

 

[topcat12345]

Probably one of the funniest things i have ever read. West supporters get so defensive and seem to have their heads in the sand. To say that they will be paying less than Bell Park in 2008 is a joke. Bell Park have a lot of juniors and as for their big recruits they all rang the club and asked to play. Wilde playing for the love of the game after taking all the money he has in the past is a bit rich. And when averaging out the player payments remember the carsons and saunders are on a bit more than 400

 

[BrownSugar]

Probably one of the funniest things i have ever read. West supporters get so defensive and seem to have their heads in the sand. To say that they will be paying less than Bell Park in 2008 is a joke. Bell Park have a lot of juniors and as for their big recruits they all rang the club and asked to play. Wilde playing for the love of the game after taking all the money he has in the past is a bit rich. And when averaging out the player payments remember the carsons and saunders are on a bit more than 400

Whoever said that Wilde was playing for the love of it?! Let's not be naive through all of this, of course he would get paid and of course West's better players would be paid well; just like every other club. However, there are 21 players in a team and to think that players say 10 through to 21 would be on any more than $50-$100 a game is extremely fanciful for local football; VFL sides wouldn't even pay that sort of scale. To quote West supporters have their heads in the sand is also a sharp comment considering you have just stated that all Bell Park's recruits ring the club to ask if they can play for them!! What happens; they all line up at the door and you point at which ones are lucky enough to play at the Dragons and the rest have to find another home?

 

[clangers mcgee]

maybe not $150,00 but ill tell ya $120,000- $130,000 would be close. on the average of the top 10 get $400 a game (some might be on a bit more, some a bit less) and the average the bottom 11 on $100 a game. for the top 10 its $72000 a year and the bottom its $19,800. so thats $91,800. this is for a 18 game season. add on another $15,330 for finals (this is for three finals on the same as a regular match payment). that gives you $107,130. plus incentives during the year. it will be pretty close to $130,000
remember the club has been down for a few years and could have saved some money up during that time and now they can throw it around at the players they wanr for a real tilt at a premiership. i knew a bloke last year who was in pretty bad sorts health wise and went to past players function there, and the club still hit him up for a $100 dontion. not what id do but hey, each to there own.
so what im basically sayin is west have a bit of money and they are throwing it about to try and win a premiership. thats all. im not slanting the club just putting what i know out there for discussion.

 

[tommahawk_07]

To quote West supporters have their heads in the sand is also a sharp comment considering you have just stated that all Bell Park's recruits ring the club to ask if they can play for them!! What happens; they all line up at the door and you point at which ones are lucky enough to play at the Dragons and the rest have to find another home?

its actually not that far off the mark. nick batchelor already had a few mates at bell park coz he is very close with tim sheringham (a bell park junior) from their time on geelongs list. the club would have had to ring him and all that sort of stuff but i'm led to believe he identified bell park as his preferred home probably half way through last year when werribee wasnt working out. jarrod garth followed a similar path and had a lot of clubs throwing a lot of dollars at him but knocked it back coz he didnt want to play anywhere else. aaron broom also had a lot of mates already at bell park and also wanted to play there. the other recruits are players that have been out of the game for travel or injury reasons and were dragons to begin with.

all these guys didnt want to play anywhere else for their own reasons and as for your ridiculous comment about picking the "lucky ones" of course it does not work like that but if a guy does not fit in to the direction the club is taking ie. too old or a ruckman that is not needed, the club and the coach would be foolish to not question their worth to the team.

 

[onthecouch]

maybe not $150,00 but ill tell ya $120,000- $130,000 would be close. on the average of the top 10 get $400 a game (some might be on a bit more, some a bit less) and the average the bottom 11 on $100 a game. for the top 10 its $72000 a year and the bottom its $19,800. so thats $91,800. this is for a 18 game season. add on another $15,330 for finals (this is for three finals on the same as a regular match payment). that gives you $107,130. plus incentives during the year. it will be pretty close to $130,000
remember the club has been down for a few years and could have saved some money up during that time and now they can throw it around at the players they wanr for a real tilt at a premiership. i knew a bloke last year who was in pretty bad sorts health wise and went to past players function there, and the club still hit him up for a $100 dontion. not what id do but hey, each to there own.
so what im basically sayin is west have a bit of money and they are throwing it about to try and win a premiership. thats all. im not slanting the club just putting what i know out there for discussion.

Your figures of 91,800 are probably right on the mark mate, not sure about every club in the GFL but i wouldnt think many clubs would be paying match payments for finals. If you cant play at skilled stadium in september for no money you need to have a look at yourself. So 130K wouldnt be right but around the 90 -100k looks right as it would be for all clubs having a crack at winning flags and playing finals.

Also on Bell Park and there recruits Garth, Sheringham and Batchelor yes have heard that they wanted to be with the dragons but lets not pretend they are not getting paid very well. All would be on 450+ per game.

 

[retired 51]

also i heard from 2 reliable sources that wilde and chambers are getting around $1,000 a game at west. where do they get all there money from? remember they have also employed a full time football director in a paid position. word has it they will spend upwards of 160,000 this year just on player payments

can i just say. i'm sick and tired of people from other clubs bagging north shore on how crap there going to be and how they have never spent market value on players. i would love to see clubs such as umm i don't know south barwon win premierships with out spending the money they do now and so until a club can do this like north shore did during the 90's stop bagging the club

 

[macromantic]

can i just say. i'm sick and tired of people from other clubs bagging north shore on how crap there going to be and how they have never spent market value on players. i would love to see clubs such as umm i don't know south barwon win premierships with out spending the money they do now and so until a club can do this like north shore did during the 90's stop bagging the club

Spot on mate i dont follow nth shore but have a couple of mates who play in that dystany 1 in particular played in those 6 premierships i dont think we will ever see a side as good as they were ever again but they wont be down for long every club has to rebuild

 

[dcshoecousa]

Spot on mate i dont follow nth shore but have a couple of mates who play in that dystany 1 in particular played in those 6 premierships i dont think we will ever see a side as good as they were ever again but they wont be down for long every club has to rebuild

no club will ever be as good as nth shore! who's the next best in premierships? newtown is it? wat is it 11 flags to next best 3?

 

[Hornet12]

West is no different to any other strong club in the GFL just that it is more noticeable they are spending money now because they have been down the bottom of the table for so long. The new recruits at Bell Park wanted to play there because they have played together before; well just a reminder that Dyer, Faulkner, Jack, Saunders, Gilham & Carson all played together at Werribee. Riccardi is an ex-junior, Chambers and Carson played together at Jets; along with Carson comes his exciting brother Dale, Jago knows a bloke involved with the club and comes down from the NT, Flanders likewise from the country. Therefore we have a similar scenario to clubs like Bell Park, etc. A group of guys who have known each other through various clubs and some smart recruiting them lands them together in the one place. Sure most of them would be paid well; you have to pay for quality as every other club in the GFL would be. I can tell you though, there would be no way that anyone outside the top dozen would be getting any more than $100 per game if that. Clubs just don't have that sort of money and would not have that many players on contract but hey, if they do, you can only spend what you can afford and sooner or later it will catch up with you. The GFL chose to dispense with the salary cap a couple of years ago. If some clubs pay $80-$100,000 and some clubs pay $50-$60,000; then that's the monster that has been created and the disparity that will remain. It will be a league of the haves and have nots and working within that framework will be what secures a club's future. West could never be accused of not working on their juniors and to put in place a full-time football manager that fundraises his own wage and also helps professionalise the recuitment and match day area is a good thing.

 

[Hornet12]

i knew a bloke last year who was in pretty bad sorts health wise and went to past players function there, and the club still hit him up for a $100 dontion. not what id do but hey, each to there own.
so what im basically sayin is west have a bit of money and they are throwing it about to try and win a premiership. thats all. im not slanting the club just putting what i know out there for discussion.[/quote]
i) You've added $15,000 on for 3 finals when the club hasn't played finals for 10 years.
ii) West have a very, very strong past players group who are full of very smart and self-made business men who help support the club. Your friend wouldn't have been hit up individually for a donation; he would have been in the room with 100 other blokes at the past players day when the appeal was made.
iii) Are there clubs around with money that don't use it to try and win a premiership or help build the club up?

 

[THE RED MAN]

Probably one of the funniest things i have ever read. West supporters get so defensive and seem to have their heads in the sand. To say that they will be paying less than Bell Park in 2008 is a joke. Bell Park have a lot of juniors and as for their big recruits they all rang the club and asked to play. Wilde playing for the love of the game after taking all the money he has in the past is a bit rich. And when averaging out the player payments remember the carsons and saunders are on a bit more than 400

The two Carson boys were on $500 a game at Hoppers Crossing so to think they are going to drive down the highway 3 times a week to Red West for less than that would be very, very surprising considering how much Paul loves his coin.......................

 

[Hornet12]

The two Carson boys were on $500 a game at Hoppers Crossing so to think they are going to drive down the highway 3 times a week to Red West for less than that would be very, very surprising considering how much Paul loves his coin.......................[/

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Can hear where you are coming from but sometimes it's not just about the money. Being re-united with old Werribee team mates and the lure of playing in a league so much better than FDFL would have been big factors. Anyway; if they were both on figures similar to that which you suggest, they both delivered in their first year. Aside from all this; if club's have the money; why wouldn't you pay it? Putting time and effort into fostering your own stars as well as good recruitment is the right balance and good players don't come cheap.....

 

[Rooster07]

The two Carson boys were on $500 a game at Hoppers Crossing so to think they are going to drive down the highway 3 times a week to Red West for less than that would be very, very surprising considering how much Paul loves his coin.......................

As a person who was in a position to know the contract situation i want to state a few things:
Carsons went to West for considerably less than what they could get at Hoppers. They committed to their good mate Gilham that if he got a GFL job they would go with him. Dale works down here and Paul basically lives in Geelong. Plus he goes out with one of the netballers, plays cricket at st peters etc. They deserved to be on good coin at hoppers but it is the endless trips to get stitches that made them leave the wrfl.
As Hornet said all clubs are entitled to spend money if they have it. All clubs must submit audited financial reports to footy geelong at the end of season. So people can find out what clubs spend. Before some people start saying that everybody just turns up to play at Bell PArk for free, realise they are one of the clubs that spend over $100k. That is documented and was on 2007 figures. Add Sheringham, Garth and Batchelor and it will be much more. I know 1 of the guys and he stated to me what he was offered by bell park. I wont say what it is, but i hope he performs very well.
West spent the 7th most and finished 6th. You can say thats justified then. And they are not spending much more in 08. Remember the 2 past captains have left(COsta to Drysdale, Barling to Southport), so that is what Wilde and Chambers replace.
We all like to speculate on what clubs spend and on what recruits are getting. But before talking about what individuals are apparently getting, make sure you know the truth. There are people at every club getting less than what they could at other clubs. For loyalty to their club, friends or whatever. The majority of local footballers are good blokes who do not just look for the best money.

 

[Fat Mexican]

As a person who was in a position to know the contract situation i want to state a few things:
Carsons went to West for considerably less than what they could get at Hoppers. They committed to their good mate Gilham that if he got a GFL job they would go with him. Dale works down here and Paul basically lives in Geelong. Plus he goes out with one of the netballers, plays cricket at st peters etc. They deserved to be on good coin at hoppers but it is the endless trips to get stitches that made them leave the wrfl.
As Hornet said all clubs are entitled to spend money if they have it. All clubs must submit audited financial reports to footy geelong at the end of season. So people can find out what clubs spend. Before some people start saying that everybody just turns up to play at Bell PArk for free, realise they are one of the clubs that spend over $100k. That is documented and was on 2007 figures. Add Sheringham, Garth and Batchelor and it will be much more. I know 1 of the guys and he stated to me what he was offered by bell park. I wont say what it is, but i hope he performs very well.
West spent the 7th most and finished 6th. You can say thats justified then. And they are not spending much more in 08. Remember the 2 past captains have left(COsta to Drysdale, Barling to Southport), so that is what Wilde and Chambers replace.
We all like to speculate on what clubs spend and on what recruits are getting. But before talking about what individuals are apparently getting, make sure you know the truth. There are people at every club getting less than what they could at other clubs. For loyalty to their club, friends or whatever. The majority of local footballers are good blokes who do not just look for the best money.

Couldn't agree with you more and as a guy who has held the purse strings for a club I like you have had first hand experience of this. There are some very well credentialled players in the 3 leagues who have stuck loyal to their club even though they have been offered large sums of cash (even by me) to move and/or the club has not been in the top bracket in recent history.

 

[THE RED MAN]

As a person who was in a position to know the contract situation i want to state a few things:
Carsons went to West for considerably less than what they could get at Hoppers. They committed to their good mate Gilham that if he got a GFL job they would go with him. Dale works down here and Paul basically lives in Geelong. Plus he goes out with one of the netballers, plays cricket at st peters etc. They deserved to be on good coin at hoppers but it is the endless trips to get stitches that made them leave the wrfl.
As Hornet said all clubs are entitled to spend money if they have it. All clubs must submit audited financial reports to footy geelong at the end of season. So people can find out what clubs spend. Before some people start saying that everybody just turns up to play at Bell PArk for free, realise they are one of the clubs that spend over $100k. That is documented and was on 2007 figures. Add Sheringham, Garth and Batchelor and it will be much more. I know 1 of the guys and he stated to me what he was offered by bell park. I wont say what it is, but i hope he performs very well.
West spent the 7th most and finished 6th. You can say thats justified then. And they are not spending much more in 08. Remember the 2 past captains have left(COsta to Drysdale, Barling to Southport), so that is what Wilde and Chambers replace.
We all like to speculate on what clubs spend and on what recruits are getting. But before talking about what individuals are apparently getting, make sure you know the truth. There are people at every club getting less than what they could at other clubs. For loyalty to their club, friends or whatever. The majority of local footballers are good blokes who do not just look for the best money.

Never said l knew what they were being paid at Geelong West/St.Peters just said l would be surprised if they were on less money than when they were at Hoppers Crossing. But thanks for the insight