Lost footage of 1990 GF brawl re-emerges

[Cyclops]

I never thought Terry was one to blatantly lie, good to see this the case with this incident.

Never doubted him. The hit on Starcevich was pretty cold blooded though.

 

[Fastback]

How many weeks did Brown get? That is as bad as it gets. Very Matthews on Bruns like

Was thinking the same thing, carbon copy.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Pretty sure Morwood was a boxer, seems to have the rather flamboyant Kickett under control there.

Nah, Kickett had him by the jumper, and Morwood tried a poorly executed Judo grip break - which did absolutely nothing and Kickett just carried on holding his jumper. It was like he'd seen it in a karate flick and thought he'd go all Bruce Lee on him.

It makes me laugh every time I see it.

 

[windyhill]

Yeah, bring up 1990, ****ing fantastic. Drug scandal next.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Yeah, bring up 1990, ****ing fantastic. Drug scandal next.

Well seeing you mentioned it.....

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yeah, bring up 1990, ****ing fantastic. Drug scandal next.

Just to make it worse - I swear we had our chance. Salmon had that dominant little period in the first quarter which included two behinds - one where he hit the post, another where he missed a very kickable shot straight in the front.

Add them and the other one where Christian (or Kelly) absolutely assaulted him in a marking contest and the free wasn’t paid… all of a sudden we’re five goals on the board.

Instead Collingwood goes forward, Daicos kicks his standard miracle boundary goal and the Pies ignite.

Moments…

 

[Cyclops]

Just to make it worse - I swear we had our chance. Salmon had that dominant little period in the first quarter which included two behinds - one where he hit the post, another where he missed a very kickable shot straight in the front.

Add them and the other one where Christian (or Kelly) absolutely assaulted him in a marking contest and the free wasn’t paid… all of a sudden we’re five goals on the board.

Instead Collingwood goes forward, Daicos kicks his standard miracle boundary goal and the Pies ignite.

Moments…

There was a moment early where we were trying too hard and you picked us off, a bit like Melbourne's opening burst in 2000. Essendon were a far better side than those Dees so had a few more things gone your way...

You had another dominant period in the late third and last, but Madden hit both posts on one kick IIRC.

We were just a mass of energy, helps to peak at the right time, but that was the remnant of that incredible 80s Sheedy side, I really rate that win.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Odd year. Hawthorn couldn’t beat Essendon (think I went to both games and were destroyed both times) and struggled with Melbourne.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

I don't mean to be defending Collingwood or Gavin Brown here, but get your retaliation in first was the modus operandi of Essendon under Kevin Sheedy.

Those Richmond teams he played on worked under the exact same philosophy.

Gavin Brown you could argue was just playing the game on Sheeds own terms in doing what he did.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Who did Sporn hit first to cop such attention?

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Never seen that angle before, and the players seem to be in familiar poses from the (much played) VHS I had. Strange TD isn't on Browns hammer, from memory he was trailing him down the ground but the vision cuts out. On the "official" replay they focus in on the Morwood/Kickett stand off just before the hit on Sporn.

Sad that Brown did such a blatant cowardly hit, he was usually the bravest player and completely at the ball.

Obviously very fired up, no excuse for smacking a tiny bloke doing nothing like that, and he should have got 6 like TD.

We started that brawl, from memory it was Kelly and either Millane or Banks who found themselves flanking Sporn in the pocket. the siren went (I think the ball had spilled over the boundary) and as they began walking in they were bullying him, whacking his ears and giving him heaps. blokes starting jogging in, then sprinting in.

I was in Bay 38 that day, and remember the crowd responding to Kickett leaping in (didn't actually hurt anyone but it looked spectacular) and then dancing with Morwood. We thought he had iced Brown.

Banks and Sporn sort of tangled on the siren from what I remember, Craig Kelly is the one that escalated it all by coming in 3rd man roughing Sporn up. You actually see footage of Kelly on the broadcast glancing over at something as he was walking out of shot before it all kicked off We know now what happened after that. Think Banks came out and said he whacked Sporn and than Sporn retaliated which caused Kelly to run over. It was definitely started by Collingwood but the Bombers were more than happy to engage.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Pretty sure Morwood was a boxer, seems to have the rather flamboyant Kickett under control there.

Actually it was when Millane came over when it all calmed down. Nobody even Kickett wanted a bar of pants knowing his reputation. Even Dipper who's as tough as anybody that played the game never wanted to engage in fisticuffs with him.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Who did Sporn hit first to cop such attention?

Banks, or so Banks has said.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Odd year. Hawthorn couldn’t beat Essendon (think I went to both games and were destroyed both times) and struggled with Melbourne.

Yet pumped Collingwood both times and Chief kicked 11 in the helmet. Think we owned them during that period from memory.

 

[Gordon Farkas]

So, to summarise all this:

Denis Banks started it.

Yep, makes sense.

 

[Cyclops]

Yet pumped Collingwood both times and Chief kicked 11 in the helmet. Think we owned them during that period from memory.

Hawthorn definitely had the wood on us from the early 80s. If you're superstitious you might say it was a curse, brought on by Carman absent-mindedly bashingTuck in the 77 prelim. It was while they were jogging back after a Collingwood goal, insane lack of discipline and cost us the 77 gf.

However we werent belted both times in 1990, the margins in the first game was a couple of points, the second clash we lost by 12+ goals.

So, to summarise all this:

Denis Banks started it.

Yep, makes sense.

Banks was picking on Sporn who was tiny. Kelly kicked it off and made it a brawl, until then it was just mean bullying.

Essendon 1990 was no longer the brutal early 80s side, Merrett and Rotten Ronny Andrews were long gone. We picked a very tough side with thugs like Millane and Banks, and a psycho in Kelly.

Even our property steward Eddie Hillgrove teed off on an Essendon staff member. We definitely started it, probably partly because Matthews encouraged tough and even dirty play, and partly because Essendon were a classier side with a tough reputation.

Brown (even more so than TD) had a reputation as a 100% ball player and its a shame he tried this on. Luckily Sporn wasn't knocked out (I guess Brown was crap at thuggery) and he paid the price.

I think Browns reputation saved him from a harsher penalty (IIRC he was suspended fir punching TD in the 3rg q) and somehow rhe footage was lost, but TDs hits were so open (the hit on Brown wasn't on film but knocked him out, and the Starcevich hit was plain assault) even his "hard but fair" reputation didn't shield him from a massive suspension. 12 weeks wasn't it?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Wow at Brown. TD been made out as the bad guy forever.

Gavin Brown

Pie thug

 

[Jascave]

Hawthorn definitely had the wood on us from the early 80s. If you're superstitious you might say it was a curse, brought on by Carman absent-mindedly bashingTuck in the 77 prelim. It was while they were jogging back after a Collingwood goal, insane lack of discipline and cost us the 77 gf.

However we werent belted both times in 1990, the margins in the first game was a couple of points, the second clash we lost by 12+ goals.

Banks was picking on Sporn who was tiny. Kelly kicked it off and made it a brawl, until then it was just mean bullying.

Essendon 1990 was no longer the brutal early 80s side, Merrett and Rotten Ronny Andrews were long gone. We picked a very tough side with thugs like Millane and Banks, and a psycho in Kelly.

Even our property steward Eddie Hillgrove teed off on an Essendon staff member. We definitely started it, probably partly because Matthews encouraged tough and even dirty play, and partly because Essendon were a classier side with a tough reputation.

Brown (even more so than TD) had a reputation as a 100% ball player and its a shame he tried this on. Luckily Sporn wasn't knocked out (I guess Brown was crap at thuggery) and he paid the price.

I think Browns reputation saved him from a harsher penalty (IIRC he was suspended fir punching TD in the 3rg q) and somehow rhe footage was lost, but TDs hits were so open (the hit on Brown wasn't on film but knocked him out, and the Starcevich hit was plain assault) even his "hard but fair" reputation didn't shield him from a massive suspension. 12 weeks wasn't it?

Terry Daniher got 11 weeks, but according to the Gaumont Football Yearbook 1992, 'it was strange how he received a heavy sentence, when the instigator of the incident in question (Gavin Brown) got only 3 weeks'.

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[Pistol Night]

The Rabbit Hole Podcast with Garry Lyon and Tim Watson had a few of the participants on last year. TD i think. The Essendon trainer. Was fascinating listening