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The world really is catching up to Don in a very realistic manner. His kids see him as an alcoholic, and he is losing his charm as he gets older. I think they are handling it very well...his decisions really do have consequences.

I do hate Peggy though. Roger has been great the last few episodes.
 
I really liked this episode. What a great dichotomy, Don taking the kids through the riots in his car, to talking about the feeling of love where you heart is going to explode - to Bobby, having seen what's going on around Don, being more worried about Henry. Heart-breaking!

Joan's attempt at sympathising with Dawn was a hidden highlight as well :D

Interesting that Peggy has a black assistant. That she wanted to live on the upper East side... she really is trying to be Don.
 
jaxxon said:
The world really is catching up to Don in a very realistic manner. His kids see him as an alcoholic, and he is losing his charm as he gets older. I think they are handling it very well...his decisions really do have consequences.

I do hate Peggy though. Roger has been great the last few episodes.
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Why do you hate Peggy???
 

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jaxxon said:
I don't really know...haven't liked her from the start really. Maybe she is a bit whiney? I can't put my finger on it.

I really like Ginsberg though, hopefully they develop his character more.
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Yeah, he was good value from his first scene on the show. I'm liking Stan a lot more this season as well.
 
Thought the Peggy scene probably won her some Emmy or something...the surprise grin on her face when b/f said 'kids' was priceless considering all she has endured in this show. A glimmer of happiness.

Liked 'Planet of the Apes'.

Did anyone else pick up the audio at the Paul Newman speech? Could barely hear it after listening twice.

I thought it was the Robert Kennedy shooting. That is still to come people. That was April 4, French student riots May, RK was June 5th, and the Democratic Convention was in August...the month I was born. So a fair bit of background to work with by seasons end.

I think something big is going to happen before the end.

There is overall, an awe of doom with this Season.
 
Gasometer said:
Did anyone else pick up the audio at the Paul Newman speech? Could barely hear it after listening twice.

I thought it was the Robert Kennedy shooting. That is still to come people. That was April 4, French student riots May, RK was June 5th, and the Democratic Convention was in August...the month I was born. So a fair bit of background to work with by seasons end.
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Wait... does that mean you watched the whole episode not knowing the premise of it? I don't remember well enough to know if it was made more obvious later in the episode.

The dude who shouted during the speech said something like "Hey did you know Martin Luther King Jr is dead".

The riots were the African Americans tearing America down.
When Dawn says "this isn't what he would've wanted" she was talking about MLK.

I did read an interview with Weiner where he explained that he chose to start this series in 1968 because of the backdrop of what was happening in America at the time.
 
i couldn't hear what was said either and had to carefully read a recap without spoilering myself

i knew it was a big moment, just on the reactions
 
nobbyiscool said:
Wait... does that mean you watched the whole episode not knowing the premise of it? I don't remember well enough to know if it was made more obvious later in the episode.

The dude who shouted during the speech said something like "Hey did you know Martin Luther King Jr is dead".

The riots were the African Americans tearing America down.
When Dawn says "this isn't what he would've wanted" she was talking about MLK.

I did read an interview with Weiner where he explained that he chose to start this series in 1968 because of the backdrop of what was happening in America at the time.
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I don't want to talk on someone else's behalf, but I think he meant that whatever the person was yelling was indecipherable. I think it was intentional because not knowing exactly what was happening made the chaos that followed more believable. That being said, even someone with little interest in history whatsoever would have been able to work out that it was the MLK assassination within the next few minutes.
 
MC Bad Genius said:
I don't want to talk on someone else's behalf, but I think he meant that whatever the person was yelling was indecipherable. I think it was intentional because not knowing exactly what was happening made the chaos that followed more believable. That being said, even someone with little interest in history whatsoever would have been able to work out that it was the MLK assassination within the next few minutes.
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Correct.
 
nobbyiscool said:
Wait... does that mean you watched the whole episode not knowing the premise of it? I don't remember well enough to know if it was made more obvious later in the episode.

The dude who shouted during the speech said something like "Hey did you know Martin Luther King Jr is dead".

The riots were the African Americans tearing America down.
When Dawn says "this isn't what he would've wanted" she was talking about MLK.

I did read an interview with Weiner where he explained that he chose to start this series in 1968 because of the backdrop of what was happening in America at the time.
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... it was barely audible.

And yeh, I am that dumb that I had no idea what was going on the whole episode.

And then in my next paragraph discuss the key events of '68 against the turmoil of the narrative.

:rolleyes:
 
flight23 said:
i couldn't hear what was said either and had to carefully read a recap without spoilering myself

i knew it was a big moment, just on the reactions
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Yep it was either going to be MLK, or RK.


RK was the straw that broke America's heart.

Also liked the way they wrote Paul Newman in...we could barely see him and Joan says it. Interesting premise. They will analyse that scene in Film School for years to come.
 

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Gasometer said:
... it was barely audible.

And yeh, I am that dumb that I had no idea what was going on the whole episode.

And then in my next paragraph discuss the key events of '68 against the turmoil of the narrative.

:rolleyes:
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See... now I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not...

Rolling eyes confuses me.
 
I love Mad Men, but, gotta say, apart from the season-starting double episode it feels like it's slipped slightly to me. Still enjoying it immensely but.
 
At first I thought the shouting was something to do with Newman, when Abe stood up and said "who said that" I went back to hear it again, and heard Martin Luther.

I found most of it pretty interesting, just on a historical level. Though it's always weird when you see these characters interact with something like that and have it affect them, because the show rarely touches civil rights.

Much unexpected love for Pete here. Roger's impeccable timing with "I'd forgotten that". Priceless.
 
That was awesome.

Kinda expected, but the way it all came together... so flawless.

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That was a really awesome episode. As soon as you see Pete happy though, you know that it is all going to go pear-shaped for him. But it went a lot more pear-shaped than I expected. Don is such an a-hole though. He gets blasted from Joan for just going his own way and his next move is to merge with another freaking company - they are gonna hate him even more!
 

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